Here's what I don't understand about the game, after reading some of the post-game articles:

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"Since Marc Trestman arrived as NC State's offensive coordinator, the Wolfpack is 8-1 when NC State has more rushing attempts than passes. When NC State passes more times than it runs, the Wolfpack is 0-6. Brown finished the game with just 13 carries for 48 yards. 13 carries... after shredding Southern Miss for 248 yards on 32 carries in 2005. Toney Baker? Four carries for 19 yards. "

17 total carries for our studs. And many more pass attempts. Why abandon the run so early? We're playcalling like we're back in the Jay Davis era, and that clearly doesn't work for Stone.

Our success last year was based on the run, and now we're going pass-heavy again?

9/18/2006 10:08:47 AM

It's a conspiracy by chuck.

[Edited on September 18, 2006 at 10:11 AM. Reason : ]

9/18/2006 10:11:31 AM

maybe they were stacked up against the run b/c they knew we are one-dimensional?

9/18/2006 10:11:57 AM

sorry that makes to much sense ... we should obviously just continue to run and maintain our ineptness.

9/18/2006 10:25:21 AM

well when a subpar team can shut down our running game we have to make adjustments

9/18/2006 10:47:33 AM

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"Our success last year was based on the run, and now we're going pass-heavy again?"

no, we just fell behind early. and they stacked the line daring us to throw, so we went to our "second-half" offense early in the game.

if the defense isn't going to bother to force a punt all game, it doesn't matter what we do offensively...

9/18/2006 10:56:17 AM

I'm sorry...but Marc Trestman has shown me NOTHING to think that he will be a good offensive coordinator here at NC State.

Good QB or not....he has only proven that he is a shitty OC. Fuck his past...show me some changes, adapt your gameplan to your QB, run the fucking ball when you have good running backs. Even if you're only getting 2 yards a pop, you keep running the football when you have backs like Baker and Brown because they will eventually break the big one a couple times a game if they get 20+ carries.

Down with Trestman.

9/18/2006 11:07:57 AM

up with internet coaches!

9/18/2006 11:08:42 AM

we have a poor qb and we can't get a running game going with 2 of the best running backs in the league ... what do you want him to do ? will them to greatness ? that's not gameplanning ... that's our team blowing ass.

9/18/2006 11:11:19 AM

because your coaches dont know what theyre doing

they get lost in the game and lose sigh of the big picture

its easy for you to recognize sitting on your couch

9/18/2006 11:16:29 AM

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"I'm sorry...but Marc Trestman has shown me NOTHING to think that he will be a good offensive coordinator here at NC State."

What you want Mazzone back?

Seriously we have NO OFFENSIVE LINE and NO QUARTERBACK....what the hell can he do?

He was an NFL OC for years...trust me he knows what he is doing.

9/18/2006 11:22:33 AM

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"we have a poor qb and we can't get a running game going with 2 of the best running backs in the league ... what do you want him to do ? will them to greatness ? that's not gameplanning ... that's our team blowing ass."

What about the things we do have?? We've got veterans and experience on our offensive line. They should be playing better than they are right now. We have great running backs and young, skilled wide receivers. And Marc Trestman was an NFL quarterbacks coach for crying out loud...develop a fucking QB. Marcus Stone was a highly recruited QB, Evans can throw the ball, Burke has talent. With these credentials:

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"COACHING EXPERIENCE: College - Offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach at NC State (2005-); NFL - Assistant head coach/quarterbacks coach with the Miami Dolphins (2004); Offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach with the Oakland Raiders (2002-03); Senior Assistant/Offense with the Oakland Raiders (2001); Offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach with the Arizona Cardinals (1998-2000); Quarterbacks coach with the Detroit Lions (1997); Offensive coordinator/Quarterbacks coach with the San Francisco 49ers (1995-1996); Quarterbacks coach/Administrative Assistant to Head Coach with the Minnesota Vikings (1990-91); Offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach with the Cleveland Browns (1989); Quarterbacks coach with the Cleveland Browns (1988); Quarterbacks coach with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1987); Running backs coach with the Minnesota Vikings (1985-1986); College - Quarterbacks coach at University of Miami (1983-84); Volunteer Assistant at the University of Miami (1981-82)."

...and the talent we have available...our offense should not suck this much.

Trestman is laying a fucking egg.

9/18/2006 11:26:34 AM

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"He was an NFL OC for years...trust me he knows what he is doing."

I trust results. Just because a guy has done a good job before, doesn't mean he's guaranteed to do a good job at his new place.

Marcus Stone has not shown ONE OUNCE OF FUCKING IMPROVEMENT after almost two years under our AWESOME new offensive coordinator.

9/18/2006 11:28:23 AM

Maybe Trestman is still getting used to the college game?

I don't know, but I don't think he deserves blame.

It all starts at the top.

9/18/2006 11:33:09 AM

Oh, I agree. Amato is ultimately responsible for everything that happens with this football team. He hired a shitty Mazzone and he has so far hired a not-so-great collegiate offensive coordinator. I also put blame on Amato for not being able to keep any assistants during his stay here. It's really funny when we began to lose assistants and everyone was like..."It's going to happen when you're a good football team and your assistants move on to better jobs"...when in reality, a lot of our assistants were making lateral moves. Amato is a tough man to work with and a big factor in a consistently successful college football program is consistency in your assistant coaches. We have never had that.

I put full blame on Amato. But Trestman still hasn't done shit since he got here.

9/18/2006 11:42:39 AM

HINT HINT WE NO LONGER HAVE A TOP FLIGHT QB.... HOWEVER WE DO HAVE SOME GOOD RB'S

HOW ABOUT WE RUN MORE EH?

9/18/2006 11:43:59 AM

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"Since Marc Trestman arrived as NC State's offensive coordinator, the Wolfpack is 8-1 when NC State has more rushing attempts than passes. When NC State passes more times than it runs, the Wolfpack is 0-6."

This is very misleading. When you are down by 20 you have to pass the ball.

Clemson last year, BC last year, this game, etc.

9/18/2006 11:47:49 AM

If your leading the game (ie winning) you want to run the ball to eat up clocktime.

If your down by several posessions (ie losing) you have to throw the ball to try and get quick scores.

That is the main reason you see 8-1 while mainly running and 0-6 while mainly passing not because our running game can dominate everyone and we should only rely on that.

Don't get me wrong though, I agree our passing game is pretty awful and the running game has good potential. But with our poor passing game our running will also fail because your going to see teams stack up against the run and make us throw like miss state did.

9/18/2006 12:19:33 PM

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"miss state"

Who? Are you plastered?

We would have probably beat Mississippi State, this was Southern Miss.

9/18/2006 12:49:54 PM

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"Seriously we have NO OFFENSIVE LINE and NO QUARTERBACK...."

I'm really sick of this reason. I agree, but for fuck's sake people have been saying this EXACT thing for going on 3 years now. When the fuck is Amato gonna fix the O-line?

Or am I missing something?

9/18/2006 1:12:38 PM

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"When the fuck is Amato gonna fix the O-line?"

9/18/2006 1:39:02 PM

when he decides to recruit for an o-line

9/18/2006 1:48:20 PM

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"We would have probably beat Mississippi State"

eh....

9/18/2006 2:26:20 PM

On another note, I say bench Stone's ass and start Evans. We can't get any worse and at least we will get some experience for our future qb.

Does anyone think Evans will start against BC?

9/18/2006 2:35:12 PM

press conference about it started at 2, still haven't seen what was said.

9/18/2006 2:47:03 PM

about the QB situation or blackmans knee?

9/18/2006 2:47:53 PM

both. evans will start.

http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/2/569941.html

9/18/2006 2:49:28 PM

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"If your leading the game (ie winning) you want to run the ball to eat up clocktime. If your down by several posessions (ie losing) you have to throw the ball to try and get quick scores. That is the main reason you see 8-1 while mainly running and 0-6 while mainly passing not because our running game can dominate everyone and we should only rely on that."

I know you have to throw when you are down. I know you have to run to eat up clock when you are up. But that's only when you are up or down by quite a lot.

Just from listening to the game and reading about it afterwards, it seems like we are giving up on the run too early, and need to stick with it more, even when we are down 1 or 2 possessions. At least with Stone under center.

Now if we put Evans back there, maybe things shift a tiny bit more to the pass side. But still, overall, entering the game, we should plan on running the ball 60-70% of the time.

9/18/2006 3:30:06 PM

You guys are morons.

Marc Trestman is NOT the problem.

The offense sure as hell looked pretty good against Virginia Tech last year.


In fact the passing offense looked pretty good for the first half of last season. The problem was that Jay kept forcing throws and committing turnovers and that we couldnt run the ball because Toney Baker isnt all that good particularly behind a shitty O-line.

It was after we put Stone in that the passing offense disappeared. It just so happened that we discovered Andre Brown who began to singlehandedly carry our offense to borderline respectability.

The offense itself looked good last year it was just poorly executed.

This year who knows what the offense WOULD look like if we had a QB who could utilitize the "forward pass"? Or an offensive line that could "Block" defenders....?

9/18/2006 3:50:03 PM

I agree with rally. Trestman isn't the problem. He's good when he has something to work with.

Also, just wanted to add that those of you saying that it doesnt matter how much we run vs. pass, since the D couldn't force a punt are missing the point.

The point is that to increase our efficiency, keep the D off the field, and win games, our run plays must > pass plays. We might still lose if our D plays shitty, but that the best plan for our offense.

9/18/2006 3:53:02 PM

Even though we won against BC, I still think we relied on the pass too early and often.

23 rushes for 6.1 yards/rush. Why not run it more? Both Andre and Toney averaged over 7.5 yards/carry. I KNOW time was a factor and that Evans won it for us (so why complain), but still, this team relies on the pass too much, and would be 156% better if we ran more, period.

10/3/2006 5:12:04 PM

The only good runs we had were long runs made by our great backs to the outside.

We cannot run the ball up the middle against anyone.

Our line is really going to have to step it up. Brown/Baker can only do so much.

[Edited on October 3, 2006 at 5:14 PM. Reason : outside]

10/3/2006 5:14:34 PM

Find a game in that 8-1 stretch where we weren't leading at the half or beginning of the fourth. We pass b/c we have to come from behind. It's not necessarily b/c defense sucks but b/c we can't keep field position. I think when we pass successfully it suprises the hell out of the other team and it actually wins games. I wish we would Run (1st), Pass (2nd), Run/Pass (3rd) more than the current Pass (1st) oops, Run (2nd) (3rd and 8), Run/Pass (3rd), Punt.

10/3/2006 5:18:30 PM

Right. But those "failed" inside runs help set up the outside runs. The point is that on average, these backs are doing very well this season.

They should get more carries.

[Edited on October 3, 2006 at 5:19 PM. Reason : ]

10/3/2006 5:18:59 PM

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"Pass (1st) oops, Run (2nd) (3rd and 8), Run/Pass (3rd), Punt."

nicely put.

10/3/2006 5:37:33 PM

maybe if our oline would get better push we could run the ball up the middle

10/4/2006 12:12:04 AM

ya think

10/4/2006 12:27:22 AM

run 99% of the time vs FSU then do a bomb every 20 plays

10/4/2006 8:36:07 AM

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"Good QB or not....he has only proven that he is a shitty OC. Fuck his past...show me some changes, adapt your gameplan to your QB, run the fucking ball when you have good running backs. Even if you're only getting 2 yards a pop, you keep running the football when you have backs like Baker and Brown because they will eventually break the big one a couple times a game if they get 20+ carries"

Wow, just wow. I mean if I take your post literally, you think we can win games getting 2 yards a pop with an eventual massive run. If we get 2 yards a pop and average field position, we're going to need at least a 6 yard run every 3 plays or else we'd never move the ball down field. And if your breakout run is even say, 40 yards, we'll still get nowhere because we'd never have any fucking first downs until the breakout.

Trestman is a good OC, in professional football. The game is a lot different, and he isn't used to having only one side of the field for receivers. He needs to adapt ASAP, I agree. But he will. Trestman's biggest problem is that Phillip Rivers doesn't play for us and that was Amatos entire offensive gameplan.

10/4/2006 8:53:16 AM

I've been searching for the thread where I sign up to be an arm chair offensive coordinator, is this it?

10/4/2006 9:24:56 AM

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"Find a game in that 8-1 stretch where we weren't leading at the half or beginning of the fourth. We pass b/c we have to come from behind. It's not necessarily b/c defense sucks but b/c we can't keep field position. I think when we pass successfully it suprises the hell out of the other team and it actually wins games. I wish we would Run (1st), Pass (2nd), Run/Pass (3rd) more than the current Pass (1st) oops, Run (2nd) (3rd and 8), Run/Pass (3rd), Punt."

Games where we weren't leading at the half or 4th quarter:

Maryland game: Behind at the half. Ran more than passed and won.

Southern Miss(last year): Down at the half and down big in the 4th, and won on the running game.
Other games of note:

BC game (W): we were behind 5 points with 12:55 to go. This game you can't use the excuse that we needed to pass to catch up, except for the last drive. At no time were we more than one touchdown away.

Wake (last year, L): Up in the fourth quarter, we throw two picks to seal the deal. 25 rushing attempts compared to 45 pass attempts.

I'm not advocating some crazy, run only strategy. I'm just saying that unless the other team is up by more than one touchdown, rush attempts>pass attempts at least until late in the 4th.

10/4/2006 10:09:03 AM

In Trestman we trust!

10/9/2006 12:58:20 PM

You know what I hate

Draw play up the middle on first and 10

You know what we always run

Draw play up the middle on first and 10

ffs guys

10/9/2006 1:10:49 PM

What do you know...another game where we run more than pass and win.

AND we were behind most of the game.

37 rush attempts and 22 pass attempts. Andre had a 6.3 yards/carry day.

Keep the rush attempts up, and we win.

10/9/2006 2:19:50 PM

^^know what I hate even worse?

Toss swing on 3rd and 14.

It got a little better this game, but there were still a couple of those thrown in for good measure.

10/9/2006 2:28:49 PM

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"Wow, just wow. I mean if I take your post literally, you think we can win games getting 2 yards a pop with an eventual massive run. If we get 2 yards a pop and average field position, we're going to need at least a 6 yard run every 3 plays or else we'd never move the ball down field. And if your breakout run is even say, 40 yards, we'll still get nowhere because we'd never have any fucking first downs until the breakout."

You are an idiot. Where in my post did I say we should run it every single play of the game?? And who would be dumb enough to think someone would even think that??? (other than hcnguyen)

And...

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"What do you know...another game where we run more than pass and win."

Thank you Trestman.

10/9/2006 2:29:15 PM

Yeah, his playcalling in this game was about as good as it gets. Keep it on the ground when we need to, pass when we need to, and mix it up enough that the D didn't know which was which.

The few trick plays, though they didn't work, were fun and kept the D honest.

Trestman gets an A for this game.

10/9/2006 2:39:28 PM

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"^^know what I hate even worse? Toss swing on 3rd and 14. It got a little better this game, but there were still a couple of those thrown in for good measure."

there is a reason why this play is called on 3rd and 14. There is no play that will always get your 14 yards. In this situation of 3rd and long like this you call plays like a draw or some running play that will give your punter more of the field to work with. It's the smart thing to do and almost everyone does this. Most football games are a matter of field position and not huge long drives.

10/9/2006 2:47:20 PM

Not to mention if defenses are sitting on passes then there is a chance you can catch them off guard.

10/9/2006 3:04:03 PM

where did i say someone woul d think that? id dint even post in this thread?

10/9/2006 4:11:03 PM