Anyone used one of these? I've read a couple reviews and they sound really nice. And at ~$1200 - $1300 I am really really tempted to get one.

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=177&modelid=14059

9/20/2006 9:47:24 AM

I was real excited about this, but there's a (real) review up for it now:

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canon-HV10-Camcorder-Review.htm


-seems pretty abysmal under low light conditions (which is pretty much ANYTIME you're shooting indoors).
-The small size + form factor (vertical style) make it really really hard to get a stable shot. I've experienced this in the past with other canon cams, and it's the reason i've stuck to my Sony TRV-18 so long. It might be bigger, but it's also easier to hold steady.
-no HDMI plug (so, as of right now, unless you an HD-DVD/BluRay player + recorder you CANNOT watch your vids in true HD).
-no mic ports + the embedded mic is in a shitty position, on top of the device.

any 1 of those 4 would make my purchase decision difficult, all 4 of them together = I'm not even considering it.


on the plus side, it seems like it does take very nice high rez video. It would also be REALLY nice to have such a high-quality recording device in such a small package. That part is very appealing to me.

[Edited on September 20, 2006 at 12:02 PM. Reason : d]

9/20/2006 12:00:32 PM

didnt realize about the HDMI jack

still when I read the review you posted, it mentioned a Component Out jack...wouldnt that yield 1080i picture?

9/20/2006 12:06:07 PM

yeah, you're right about that.

Component out would work.



I feel like you'd have to make a huge investment to get in the HDV game right now. The main reason: you'd have to be able to produce + replay an (unproven) HD format of your choice This would just set me back too much $$ personally.

I'll wait another couple generations, by then they will have figured out how to make the cams complete AND small. And hopefully by then Blu_ray will have won the "format war" and the recorders + media will be more affordable.

9/20/2006 12:21:05 PM

forgot to add,

the mic is probably the biggest killer for me. I use mine to tape a lot of shows, and this prety much makes it useless for that purpose. The top position is just god awful.

9/20/2006 12:22:44 PM

yeah you'd probably have to get an external mic

i'd just like to TRY an HD camera out and see how it looked on my TV

9/20/2006 12:35:36 PM

that's the problem, with this rig you CAN'T.

There's no jack

9/20/2006 1:12:15 PM

oh shit

9/20/2006 1:23:52 PM

sorry for jackin your thread, but anyone had an expericence with this?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=446335&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation

i know manual control are limited and all that, but i was thinking to get one as an addition to my dv cam which is a lil too big to carry around everywhere, and some of the best shit to be filmed comes up when you dont expect it. also was gona use it as a daily digital still cam. limited storage is OK since i would use this for those spur of the moment deals and i could upload it to hdd at the end of the day. reviews say it's an improvement over older sanyo models, but the quicktime samples i have seen online seem to have some errors (skips, jerks) and the audio is horrible [in addition to all expected effects of comression on video]. was not sure if it's maybe my quicktime player acting up or what. also a real big put off is low light performance, and it doesnt coame with infrared mode or anything either.

or does anyone has any other suggestions on what to get as a small still/video camera? does not have to be HD, but needs to be at least 640x480 30fps and 3mp stills preferrably brand name, but will look into anything





[Edited on September 20, 2006 at 2:06 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on September 20, 2006 at 2:07 PM. Reason : .]

9/20/2006 2:04:44 PM

^I've read that that model leaves a lot to be desired. It's got the typical limitations you would find in any cheap digital visual recording device.


sounds like what you need is a nice, slim, newer compact point + shooters. The canon SD line does a great job of shooting movies. Mine is a bottom-of-the-line SD200, and it takes really great videos for something it's size + price (~$150).

9/20/2006 2:17:16 PM

what does the video/audio looks like. also what's the startup time? is there any way you could send me a sample over aim when you get a minute? audio is usually the worst problem with digital still cams recording video from my experience. i record quite a bit of motorcycle riding and the loud bikes ususally are part the threshold , either cutting off sound completely for a split second, or making a lot of cracking noise. no such issue with the dv cam shooting same bikes.

9/20/2006 2:24:40 PM

Igor that camera you posted can record in 720p HD while the Canon can shoot in 1080i...however the fact that the Sanyo is about half the price and uses memory cards is pretty slick...I wish I could just test out about 10 of them before I bought one lol

9/21/2006 9:21:07 AM

I've seen samples taken with that Sanyo, sure they might be 720P but they look like they were taken with a webcam.

there's more to picture quality than just resolution. i dont know what it is about this device that makes it so shitty (my guess would be the hardware used for compression), but it's def not worth it in my book.



Igor, take a look around on digi cam review sites (http://www.steves-digicams.com/ is one). They often have sample clips taken from the cameras.
The audio, in my experience, isn't the BEST. But it's good enough. probably on par with what you would get out of that sanyo.
The startup time on those canon compact cams is second to none, it is ready to start shooting pretty much as soon as you take your finger off the on/off button.

9/21/2006 10:53:14 AM

Quote :

"seems pretty abysmal under low light conditions "

pretty standard for about any canon

9/21/2006 7:37:34 PM