I made this thread a VERY long time ago, but it was too old to bring up. My theory stands true supported!

http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=376965



[Edited on September 25, 2006 at 10:58 PM. Reason : told ya]

9/25/2006 10:56:14 PM

bush cant score from short yardage
thats why they used Lendale at SC

shoulda given it to duece

9/25/2006 10:57:05 PM

he was too busy dropping a himself

9/25/2006 11:01:02 PM

GLBYBM

9/25/2006 11:05:07 PM

I dont understand what is the point of payin someone that much doe, if you're just goin to use him sparingly!! Id have him in on punt returns kick returns, wide out (well he gets burn a the wide out spot) but i think they can use him more.

9/25/2006 11:09:07 PM

We have TWO threads about this already.

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=405641
http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=403828

LOCK

9/25/2006 11:24:47 PM

I made this thread first asshole, i just couldnt bring it back up. fuck head.

9/25/2006 11:33:11 PM

That means it was dead, no one wanted your thread.

Leave it in the ground

9/25/2006 11:39:59 PM

get the hell out already!!!

why are you here? who the fuck are you kid?


Registered : 7/19/2006 (68.3 days ago)


oh, okay. never mind

[Edited on September 25, 2006 at 11:42 PM. Reason : .]

9/25/2006 11:42:03 PM

they don't need him to do those things...they're 3-0 doing what they do.

and everytime I see this thread I see "Bush = No prob"

He's doing just fine for a top rookie.

9/26/2006 1:34:46 AM

his speed blows me away every time he touches the ball

and whats even crazier is he's already in the heads of defenders around the league

he's got em shook

9/26/2006 1:36:15 AM

so do you agree that he's not a RB?

9/26/2006 1:46:23 AM

you mean when he lines up at RB and carries the ball?

no, i'm pretty sure he's a RB when he does that

9/26/2006 1:48:59 AM

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"his speed blows me away every time he touches the ball and whats even crazier is he's already in the heads of defenders around the league he's got em shook"

I have not seen one bit of evidence to support a statement like this.

9/26/2006 3:36:31 AM

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"he's already in the heads of defenders around the league he's got em shook"

you haven't seen any evidence of this? you must not have been watching Bush's games

they follow him (with at least one guy, they all know he's got to be covered) when he goes in motion, he makes dudes miss and fall all over the place with head fakes.

9/26/2006 8:10:10 AM

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"I made this thread first asshole, i just couldnt bring it back up. fuck head. "

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"That means it was dead, no one wanted your thread. Leave it in the ground "

andymac is correct / this shit should be moved to the trash bin
you should have posted your little comments in the other threads that were not dead

threads go dead for a reason

9/26/2006 8:45:39 AM

BUSH = very good offensive weapon



so....... bushhaters SHUT THE FUCK UP!!

9/26/2006 10:44:38 AM

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" you haven't seen any evidence of this? you must not have been watching Bush's games they follow him (with at least one guy, they all know he's got to be covered) when he goes in motion, he makes dudes miss and fall all over the place with head fakes."

You must not watch EVERY OTHER FOOTBALL GAME.

it is the job of the linebackers to cover the RB, Unless a team knows for sure it will be a pass, there will be at least one LB covernig him.

That reverse was a a pretty neat trick play, I'll give them that, but those analysts are like "That wouldn't have worked with anyone besides Reggie Bush" and I'm like "um, didn't it work perfectly with Deshaun Foster the day before?"

9/26/2006 11:12:40 AM

^the Saints did a double reverse...the Panthers just did a single if I'm not mistaken.

9/26/2006 12:09:03 PM

no, the saints did a reverse. The panthers did an end around.


Reverses are run all the time. Bush didn't make that anymore special.

9/26/2006 12:15:39 PM

180 minutes and no scores

gg 2nd Coming of God

9/26/2006 12:27:44 PM

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"andymac is correct / this shit should be moved to the trash bin you should have posted your little comments in the other threads that were not dead threads go dead for a reason"

The reason why I made this fuckin thread was because I, evidently, was one of the first people to scream this shit waaayyyy back in nov-2005. I made the thread shortly after the NC game (in january, before all the other fucking threads). The fuckin thread died b/c im not going to be talking about how he wasn't a good RB thru Bball season to now. So shut the fuck up about this being moved away! If you don't want to talk in it, then don't.

Bush fuckin sucks when he lines up in the backfield. Thats my point, ofcourse people respect his speed around the outsides b/c thats all he can do. He's not a pure Rb, wasnt then, isnt now. He is a helluva player/athlete with wicked speed. Thats all. He will not be a Gale Sayers, Barry Sanders at all in the NFL.

[Edited on September 26, 2006 at 3:10 PM. Reason : .]

9/26/2006 3:06:40 PM

hahaha yeah, could you please point out ONE running back in the NFL that doesn't get covered? the defense has a job to cover the running back since he is one of the most dangerous offensive weapons on the opposing team, regardless of whether he is a top back or not... if he's in the NFL, he isn't gonna be left open on purpose!

9/26/2006 3:10:00 PM

fuck are you talking about?

9/26/2006 3:16:27 PM

above somebody was saying that Bush is awesome and in the opposing teams heads b/c when he plays they cover him

9/26/2006 3:20:12 PM

point was, just b/c he gets covered doesn't make him great OR mean he is in the other teams heads, it's their job to cover everybody... and if the worst back in the NFL was left uncovered he would burn the other team

9/26/2006 3:21:41 PM

gotcha, another reason why I brought this thread up was because there were alot of people wrong back in my old thread. I just went back an actually read the shit they typed...

and everyone thought I was the crazy one?!?!?

If Bush were such a Rb, Mofo would have atleast scored the other night with those two attempts at the 2yd line. He looked like fucking shit running the ball. It was embarrassing, and I was one of the people rooting for him to go in so that he could get his first NFL td!

I just dont see him developing into this golden child running back everyone painted him out to be.

9/26/2006 3:27:13 PM

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"no, the saints did a reverse. The panthers did an end around."

wrong, double reverse and reverse (saints/panthers respectively) and I would argue that Bush's speed/ability makes this a viable play for the Saints.

[Edited on September 26, 2006 at 3:38 PM. Reason : .]

9/26/2006 3:32:05 PM

He also leads the league in RB receiving yards, and is on pace to have over 1300 yards (rushing and receving) not including punt returns. I think most teams in the league would be happy with 1300+ out of a rookie, which is what he is so give him some time to develop.

To early to tell, but as far as rookie rb's go hes doing better then expected, compared to the hype, he would already have to have 1,000 yards this year in 3 games and that wasn't going to happen. Don't get down on a player just because the media decides to suck his nuts. players don't control their own hype, it's just the result of crappy tv and poor announcers who just talk about one player the whole time.

9/26/2006 3:33:41 PM

its so funny tho

everybody in my first thread was wrong


rallydurham
packboozie
JT3bucky

you know, the usual fuckheads who claim they KNOW everything around here. Oh, almost forgot one pussy name wolfAApack who dosn't know jack fucking shit about sports period. I would say Earl knows more about shit than you do around here!!

9/26/2006 3:43:08 PM

^^

Which is why in the other thread I said:

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"...he looks like a much better receiver than RB. Are you telling me you think he would be wasted if he was used like Steve Smith? He will be much more successful if they use him in that fashion, get the ball to him in space, and let him use his ability to avoid tackles to get yards. Don't even bother with him in the backfield except on a few plays as a change of pace (around 6-10 carries per game)."

And this is another reason why this should all be contained in ONE THREAD

9/26/2006 4:11:54 PM

No one cares what you said in the other thread!!

This conversation existed before you were here,

You are nothing to no one

we discussed this shit back in Jan, here comes you signing up two damn months ago with your

shitty opinion, tellin people where shit should go around here?!?!funny

[Edited on September 26, 2006 at 5:46 PM. Reason : You are a comedic relief!!!]

9/26/2006 5:39:38 PM

Bush = Hines Ward or Randel El

9/26/2006 6:10:01 PM

I know we're not getting pissy here about another thread being made. Get over it.

9/26/2006 6:15:22 PM

What are you guys talking about?

Bush looks pretty fucking good to me...


You guys live in a video game world where if you dont have 5,000 yards and 87 TD's you arent a good player.

Frankly, I'm sick of it.

9/26/2006 7:12:27 PM

Bush has played 3 games and theone is already calling us out on him.

My God give you a cookie, we know Texas won the NC and you predicted it.

9/26/2006 7:23:33 PM

oh yeah, now belittle everything!

the shit you guys were screaming

BUSH will have a 1500 yard rushing season yada yada was crazy

you guys are jokes!!

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"Bush looks pretty fucking good to me..."

Not as a RB He fuckin sucks cock as a RB. Ole' Rally always finds a way to cop-out. No matter what.

9/26/2006 9:03:50 PM

really though, it's not like the saints have a dominant o-line...and he still had at least one nine yard run last night

wait a few years as the saints draft/build their o-line for reggie and you will be whistling a different tune.

9/26/2006 9:27:08 PM

the have a nice o-line what the hell are you saying? Deuce gets it done with it, why can't reggie reg? You did see the way they man handled the falcons the other night diddnt you? I guess some people thinks that he needs an all pro line just to get back to his old usc days


that line won't get much better than it is!

[Edited on September 26, 2006 at 9:42 PM. Reason : .]

9/26/2006 9:41:24 PM

what i'm saying is if he was running behind the steelers o-line, he would put "fast" willie parker to shame

[Edited on September 26, 2006 at 9:53 PM. Reason : .]

9/26/2006 9:52:43 PM

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"I have not seen one bit of evidence to support a statement like this."

Then you haven't watched a second of his play.

He's got defenders so worried about his abilities all he has to do is take ONE stutter step and people are falling all over the place with bones jutting out of their legs.

He doesn't even have to beat them because they beat themselves.

Many of them forget all about the help they have on the field.

I've seen plenty of evidence and I doubt I've even watched half of his carries.




There's no way any single person on this site can explain to me just how he "isn't cut out to be a pro running back."

I mean that just sounds retarded.

He has more than enough size, speed, agility, acceleration, vision, and hands to do anything the coaches need him to do.

And as he continues to take advantage of the professional-level weight training programs, he will become even stronger and will be absolutely complete.

He looks great for a rookie on a Super Bowl contending team, except he's playing on the NEW ORLEANS SAINTS.

I can't believe this is even a topic of discussion. Get a fucking clue. All of you.

9/26/2006 10:10:34 PM

can he beat them to the end zone? not yet, and he's been given ample opportunity to get both 2 yard scores and 72 yard scores.

He has the happy feet of a nervous quarterback, which is okay for a rookie, I guess - the problem is, nobody saw any of this at USC because there were plays when the OL had damn near everyone in the box either on their asses or hopelessly turned around.

He's Jerome Harrison with 49294398294x more hype, and the sad thing is that MOST Saints fans have bought into it. If he still has happy feet and edge-happy problems four years later, THEN there's a huge problem.

9/26/2006 10:39:57 PM

He'll be a good, but not great pro RB. His game is speed and cutback running, and there is always room in the NFL for guys like that if they are fast enough.

He's plenty fast, in case you haven't noticed.

9/26/2006 10:58:32 PM

I know how fast he looked against Fresno State

9/26/2006 10:59:23 PM

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" He's got defenders so worried about his abilities all he has to do is take ONE stutter step and people are falling all over the place with bones jutting out of their legs."

This is stupid, just because they respect his open field ability dosnt make him a great RB. Just means he is a fast mofo. It takes more than that in the NFL. When I think of pro RB, I think of someone who isnt afraid to hit the damn hole (or create one if there isnt) has patience to watch the play develop, breaks tackles (multiple) has finesse and bruiser capability. Ricky Williams, Clinton P, Barry Sanders etc. Not some guy who just wants to be pretty, and turn around in the middle of the damn play before it even sets up.

Give him some punt returns or kick returns. Hell, let him keep some of the reverses for cryin out lound. He is a SPACE guy, everyone knows it. When they force him to run the ball (RB pos), its painful to my eyes.

9/26/2006 11:36:49 PM

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"can he beat them to the end zone?"

he's played THREE GAMES

good lord

the league's leader in rushing TDs has just THREE

its not like we're 10 games into the season and he only has one TD on 150 carries and a 2.5 ypc average

by your logic, are you saying Peyton Manning would make a better RB than reggie bush because he has run in for a score and Bush hasnt?

three games into the season you need to be defending your argument with discussion of his abilities, not his stats

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"He has the happy feet of a nervous quarterback"

he's a RUNNING BACK

hes SUPPOSED to have happy feet

wtf...its not like he can just decide to stay in the pocket and throw the ball

what do you want him to do, teach his o-line how to block?

force opposing LBs to forget what gaps to cover?

draw up and call the plays himself?

did you see him hauling ass through the line like satan himself was chasing him on monday night?

and dont fucking tell me OMG I WANT HIM TO SCORE A BILLION TDS

come on man youve got to have something better than that



christ and then we have ^ this kid listing ricky williams and clinton portis amongst the all-time great backs....not to mention you seem to be suggesting that power is what makes a back truly great

if that was the case, christian okoye would be one of the greatest of all time

barry sanders speaks for himself and probably never knocked somebody on their ass in his entire life

he wasnt even close to the fastest guy in a straight line

it was his agility and vision that made him great, and bush has almost all of that plus ridiculous straight-line speed

NFL defenders respecting a rookie's ability is def a big deal, esp when you see the way they bite on every little twitch

and NO FUCKING SHIT it takes more than speed in the nfl...what the hell do you think im talking about here?

40yd dash times?

did you even read my post where i listed not one or two, but FIVE categories where he is more than capable to compete in the NFL, or did you just make it to the second sentence and hit Reply To Topic as fast as you could???

the only place he's lacking is strength....and nobody's ever entered the NFL and gotten stronger right?



seriously kids

give it up

[Edited on September 27, 2006 at 12:16 AM. Reason : .]

9/27/2006 12:04:28 AM

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"hes supposed to have happy feet"

So him catching a punt and doing the fucking Charleston with 8 yards of clear space in front of him is okay? (Green Bay game) Running STRAIGHT to the edge, gaining nine yards laterally and nine inches upfield is okay? (every game this season) Outrunning the setup of your blocks - and thus, being forced into a state of happy feet - is okay? (also every game this season) Opponents biting "on every little twitch" is worthless if in the end he doesn't go very far. Catching a screen pass and losing five yards instead of going down for one yard (either Dallas or Indy, preseason) is NOT okay, even if he made somebody fall on the play. It's like the opening to Fresh Prince, where he does all the fancy shit then clangs the shot. Two problems with this: One, it doesn't lead to much success in the NFL, and two, the Saints already have a Will Smith on the roster.

There's a difference between lateral quickness (oh hell, Ray Lewis), blazing straight-line speed (Michael Lewis), and Darren's Dance Grooves Class of 2003 graduate (Reggie Bush).


also, you apparently missed the whole ample opportunity bit I added in there. With all the touches he's gotten plus this seemingly peerless, amazing speed, you'd think he'd have scored one by now. I'm not even touching the rest of your post because it, like 98% of the hype surrounding him, is all grossly overstated hyperbole.

[Edited on September 27, 2006 at 12:19 AM. Reason : @]

9/27/2006 12:16:14 AM

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"So him catching a punt and doing the fucking Charleston with 8 yards of clear space in front of him is okay? (Green Bay game) Running STRAIGHT to the edge, gaining nine yards laterally and nine inches upfield is okay? (every game this season) Outrunning the setup of your blocks - and thus, being forced into a state of happy feet - is okay? (also every game this season)"

what does a punt return have to do with RB ability?

i dont even know wtf "the Charleston" is

speak english

every single occurrence in that post happens to every single runnnig back in every single game they play

give me a break

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"Opponents biting "on every little twitch" is worthless if in the end he doesn't go very far."

im picturing him breaking a guy down and running like 12 yards for a first down

how does that mean nothing?

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"Catching a screen pass and losing five yards instead of going down for one yard (either Dallas or Indy, preseason) is NOT okay, even if he made somebody fall on the play."

again this happens constantly in the nfl

to WRs and RBs

saying "oh well he was once stopped on a couple plays" is ridiculous

i mean is your argument now "he cant get upfield and gain yardage or get sfirst downs?

whats his rank in total first downs nfl-wide?

you should check on that since stats are clearly so important here

here's a hint: his team is 10th in overall

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"also, you apparently missed the whole ample opportunity bit I added in there. With all the touches he's gotten plus this seemingly peerless, amazing speed, you'd think he'd have scored one by now."

once again your touchdowns argument is wrong

just plain wrong

ive proved it and youre still hanging onto it

why?

here's another gem: the league leader in rushing attempts is Minn's Chester Taylor with 75 (to Bush's 34....THIRTY FOUR FUCKING CARRIES)

how many TDs does ol Chester have?

just one

next point please

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"I'm not even touching the rest of your post because it, like 98% of the hype surrounding him, is all grossly overstated hyperbole"

i can see youre not touching the rest

but the whole "because" part is a bit funny (despite its redundancy)

considering there's not a damn thing you can say to the contrary

[Edited on September 27, 2006 at 12:36 AM. Reason : hahahah]

9/27/2006 12:29:00 AM

reggie bush is doing jack shit from the RB position and you know it. No matter how you put it, he's done nothing. Your own (this goes for all you bush dick riders) logic is biting you in the asses.

Your logic= he is this divine RB with every attribute, amazing speed to send defenders in shock and awe

but cant score a td from the 2 yard line?!?! somethings not adding up here.

And I never said that list i provided was the alltime nfls greatest, asshole

on top of that, you have too much mouth backing bush up. thats all you have.

BUSH CAN DO THIS, BUSH CAN DO THAT OMG OMG

He is no better than joseph addai!!

[Edited on September 27, 2006 at 12:41 AM. Reason : .]

9/27/2006 12:36:59 AM

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"reggie bush is doing jack shit from the RB position and you know it"

i stopped reading here and will continue to until you can come up with something else

if you havent watched his games and just feel like arguing, thats fine, just man up and say it

but if you think three games and 34 carries means he cant do anything in the nfl

you shouldnt even be poting in sports talk

god almighty you kids are grasping at straws

9/27/2006 12:41:19 AM