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10/1/2006 4:06:54 PM

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stfu

10/1/2006 4:07:06 PM

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10/1/2006 4:07:14 PM

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I think he coached his ass off today!

the ravens just came alive in the last min (their offense)

10/1/2006 4:07:48 PM

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signed

10/1/2006 4:08:18 PM

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i blame it on Rivers

10/1/2006 4:08:53 PM

ssjamind
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i thought it was funny

10/1/2006 4:11:53 PM

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10/1/2006 4:12:06 PM

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John Calipari is on a plane to San Diego right now

10/1/2006 4:12:57 PM

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i haven't been this distressed by a football game in a long time

i'm going to be in a bad mood for a while

10/1/2006 4:23:56 PM

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SD ran 8 times in a row in the 3rd quarter, leading to a FG.

Marty sucks.

10/1/2006 4:24:54 PM

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penalties are what killed the chargers today. That one clipping call really hurt them bad

10/1/2006 5:07:30 PM

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Chargers fans are calling for his head, as they do every time he blows a lead with fucking "Martyball".

He's too old and too stupid to change.

10/1/2006 6:30:53 PM

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They need to be calling for his head.

This shit is horrendous.

I mean, you don't wanna get pass-wacky with a small lead like they had, but you don't exclusively say "lead = run," either.

10/1/2006 6:33:16 PM

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yeah, they could have passed more.

10/1/2006 7:03:25 PM

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did anyone else watch the raiders game at the opening of the season? marty called 18 runs in a row. seriously. i kept track.

10/1/2006 7:17:00 PM

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"i haven't been this distressed by a football game in a long time

i'm going to be in a bad mood for a while "



I'm over it, but I havent been that mad about a pro football game in quite some time. I mean They were just stupid to not throw the ball at all during the second half. Sure, LT is one of the best backs in the game, but when the Ravens have 8 men in the box for the majority of the game and they KNOW the run is coming, you gotta fucking throw and Rivers CAN throw. Let him do it.

10/1/2006 7:32:48 PM

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It's almost like Marty believes all the question marks proposed by the media... like he's second-guessing Rivers' talents. It's crazy.

10/1/2006 7:49:01 PM

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^^^at least in that game, they had a good reason. the raiders couldnt and have never been able to stop LT. in this game, that wasnt the case.

10/1/2006 7:50:01 PM

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I'm not going to say Rivers is perfect, because he is obviously not, but he's much better than Marty lets him play.

I would say it is 90-10 runiing plays currently and 70-30 could have won the game.

10/1/2006 7:50:54 PM

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with the exception of the final drive which shouldnt have been necessary...and the INT....Rivers played great when they let him throw. He even bounced back and hit some big plays after the INT which was impressive. I dont understand what they're waiting on here....He threw the ball 100 times a game in college he aint gonna get tired out there. Let him play.

10/1/2006 7:56:54 PM

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you can't win a game by trying to protect a small lead for over a quarter... fire his ass

10/1/2006 8:15:26 PM

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marty isn't keepin' rivers passing in check because he doesn't trust him. marty isn't letting philip pass because it would defire "martyball". schottenheimer has made it abundantly clear that he has the greatest faith in rivers' abilities. a balanced offense just doesn't figure into his coaching philisophy.

10/1/2006 8:26:39 PM

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Schottenheimer reverted to the type of conservative play-calling that would make Ann Coulter complain.

10/2/2006 1:28:35 AM

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^^ man you are the biggest homer i havce ever seen rivers is an average nfl qb at best, he is like quincey carter or akilee smith

10/2/2006 1:30:25 AM

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^let me guess, you think vickles is the greatest QB evar.

10/2/2006 1:32:00 AM

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na, hes pretty good but hes no manning brady palmer or mcnair

10/2/2006 1:33:16 AM

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^^^^^ apparently the idea of coachspeak is lost on you.

Brees attempted 500 passes last season. That's 31 pass attempts per game.

Through 3 games this season Rivers has 64 attempts. That's 16 per game - which projects to 256 passes over an entire season, just over half of Brees' numbers - and he threw the ball most in their biggest victory.

[Edited on October 2, 2006 at 1:35 AM. Reason : uikj]

10/2/2006 1:35:18 AM

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"na, hes pretty good but hes no manning brady palmer or mcnair"


McNair is absolute garbage.

10/2/2006 11:33:20 AM

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MARTY BALL IS BACK

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/10/01/week4.nfl.chargers.ravens/index.html


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"BALTIMORE -- Marty Schottenheimer has won 188 regular-season games in his long NFL coaching career -- spanning four teams and parts of 21 seasons -- the most in league history without at least one Super Bowl or NFL title game appearance.

And after San Diego's 16-13 loss at Baltimore on Sunday, more than ever, I think I understand how that mind-boggling streak of being good but never great has been compiled.

Watching Schottenheimer's Chargers engage the Ravens at M&T Bank Stadium on this day was like watching the replay of a game we've all seen many times before. You could call it an encore presentation, but that merely dresses up the verbiage.

San Diego dominated in numerous ways, but came away disappointed nonetheless. In trying to post their third consecutive win to open the season, they left with you with the distinct impression that their goal was simply not to lose. When they could least afford it, they opted to merely protect their lead, rather than increase it. The result? It vanished, of course.

In other words, the return of Martyball. Playing it safe, but sorry. Stepping on an opponent's throat when they have them down is just not a Chargers specialty. Clutching at their own is fast becoming their trademark.

"It seems like I've been in too many of these kinds of games,'' said disgusted Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson, after Baltimore scored on a 10-yard Todd Heap reception with 34 seconds remaining, giving the Ravens their only lead of the game. "They get old real fast. They won it, you have to give them credit. The were more aggressive. They won the game and we lost it.''

It's all so familiar, isn't it? Last year, when the powerful Chargers were "the best team to not make the playoffs,'' San Diego could have put together a whole highlight reel of near misses and games where they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. It was the story of their season, and it produced an early end to their work schedule, in time to greet the New Year and ponder what might have been?

Five times San Diego lost by four points or less, three of those at home. There were two-point losses to Pittsburgh and Miami, three-point defeats at Philadelphia and Denver and a four-point loss at home to Dallas on Kickoff Weekend. The Chargers won in some hugely hostile settings last season, winning three times on the East Coast alone (at New England, the Jets and Washington), and memorably handing the Colts their first loss, at the RCA Dome in Week 15.

But to what end? When it was all added up, they were a 9-7 non-playoff qualifier, as much on the outside looking in as Houston (2-14), New Orleans (3-13) and Tennessee (4-12).

Yes, the Chargers are only three games into their season, and still have a winning record at 2-1. But Bolts fans can't like what they saw on Sunday in Baltimore, because it was a San Diego team that again failed to close the door on an opponent they had all but beaten. After the Ravens scored a touchdown to tie it 7-7 on their second drive of the day, they went scoreless until their final game-winning possession -- discounting the fourth-quarter field-position safety the Chargers elected to award them just before that, with San Diego facing a punt deep out of its own end zone.

"We play 55 minutes of football,'' said Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman, not meaning it as a compliment. "We've got to learn to play 60 minutes. You've got to finish it off. We're never going to be the elite team we want to be until we learn how to close it out. We felt in control the entire game until that last drive.''

As dominating a player as he has quickly developed into, Merriman had a moment at the end of the game that symbolizes the Chargers' uncanny inability to seal the deal in the club's Schottenheimer era. He had Heap in his sights at about the 2 or 3-yard-line on the game-winning touchdown catch, but delivered only a glancing blow, as Heap dove just over the goal line.

"I tried to take his head off,'' Merriman said. "He ducked down, I looked up, and he was falling forward.''

Stop us if you've heard this one before, but it should never have come to that. The Chargers built a 13-7 lead late in the second quarter, and then basically took the air out of the football, dropping into Schottenheimer's well-known version of the four-corners offense.

Twenty of San Diego's first 24 play calls in the second half were runs, and the Chargers called just nine passes in the final two quarters, five of them in the game's final 34 seconds, when they frantically tried to get in range for a game-tying field goal.

And what do we make of Tomlinson -- arguably the game's best player -- not even being in the game for San Diego's second-to-last drive, when it was backed deep into its own territory and needed to churn out a few first downs to protect its six-point lead? L.T. later said it was his call to let his backup, Michael Turner, try to pick up those tough yards, but why would any head coach delegate that potentially game-turning decision?

Remarkably, when asked if he once again regretted going conservative at the key point in a losing game, Schottenheimer responded as if the charge was a relatively new one.

"I don't think we do that,'' said the man who has led 12 of his teams to the playoffs, but never advanced past the conference title game round. "I think we do what we think we have to do to win the game.''

Ah, but there's the rub. Schottenheimer's Chargers didn't win the game, despite holding Baltimore to just 206 yards total offense, 56 yards rushing, 26:18 of possession time, and forcing seven punts. The Chargers missed a 40-yard field goal in the second half, had a 52-yard attempt aborted by a bad snap/hold midway through the fourth quarter, and had punter Mike Scifries take a safety out the back of his end zone with 3:17 remaining.

San Diego had so many chances to put the game away, but kept inventing ways to let the Ravens hang around. Eventually, Baltimore made the Chargers pay for their generosity.

"This was exactly the kind of game we expected,'' Schottenheimer said. "We knew it would come down to the fourth quarter.''

But it didn't have to, Marty. And the only reason that we expected the kind of game it turned out to be was your propensity for taking your foot off the throttle when you should be gunning the puppy.

"I'm at the point now where nothing surprises me at all,'' said Tomlinson, somewhat cryptically. "We've just got to be able to deal with the situation. We know they're aggressive. At the end, they just turned it up a notch. When you're playing good teams, you've got to match their intensity, you've got to match their aggressiveness. We didn't do it.''

No they didn't. And that's why the Ravens remain undefeated, at 4-0, and the Chargers head home to play Pittsburgh next week at 2-1. San Diego's a good team. But it's still not a great one. And it remains to be seen if the lessons of 2005 have been learned.

"This one hurts,'' Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers said. "Because we had control of the game and we let it slip. We didn't close it out.''

From Schottenheimer and his Chargers, it's the most familiar of refrains."

10/2/2006 11:41:12 AM

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and palmer isn't even palmer this season

10/2/2006 11:43:20 AM

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"Brees attempted 500 passes last season. That's 31 pass attempts per game.

Through 3 games this season Rivers has 64 attempts. That's 16 per game - which projects to 256 passes over an entire season, just over half of Brees' numbers - and he threw the ball most in their biggest victory.
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64/3 = 21.33 which is just over 2/3 of brees' attempts, not 1/2.

10/2/2006 12:56:57 PM

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"SD ran 8 times in a row in the 3rd quarter, leading to a FG."


hey atleast they didn't have Davis or Stone or it would have been:

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"SD ran 8 times in a row in the 3rd quarter, leading to a FG turnover"

10/2/2006 1:01:18 PM

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its the Princeton offense of football

10/2/2006 1:39:22 PM

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^^^ fuck me, it was late

10/2/2006 1:44:51 PM

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10/2/2006 1:52:31 PM

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10/2/2006 3:47:28 PM

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Herman's pissed because the Chargers didn't PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!

10/2/2006 3:51:46 PM

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to play devil's advocate. the chargers had two missed fieldgoals, and just one of them would've kept the score tied (assuming the ravens score just that one touchdown and goes for a 1-point conversion).

10/2/2006 4:27:45 PM

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one was never even attempted. and it should have been chargers ball. the refs wouldn't let marty challenge, otherwise it woulda been.

he still lost the game though by refusing to take a risk

10/2/2006 4:35:29 PM

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^^dude, they took a safety rather than punting it out of their endzone. No way they take that safety if they had hit the 40-yard field goal. They would have been up by 9 points which would have sealed the deal.

[Edited on October 2, 2006 at 6:09 PM. Reason : 2]

10/2/2006 6:08:00 PM

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you know what pisses me off?

Phil blamed himself for the loss and said he didn't play well enough

that's some bullshit right there

10/2/2006 6:41:07 PM

ssjamind
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well he did get sacked on that last play...

calm down i'm just kidding

10/2/2006 8:50:04 PM

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Phil threw a bad pick and missed a wide-open Vincent Jackson on a crucial 3rd down in the 2nd half. It wasn't one of his better games, despite the limited opportunities. But in his defense, he never had a chance to develop a rhythm in the game.

10/2/2006 9:13:32 PM

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He didn't even have close to a bad game

Given the opportunity he would have had a great game and a win

But you can only win if you're coach puts you in a position to win and allows you to play

10/2/2006 9:19:30 PM

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64/4=16

4 games

10/2/2006 9:25:22 PM

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They had a bye last week genius

10/2/2006 9:27:36 PM

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^

10/2/2006 9:29:03 PM

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I didnt say it was correct. I just said that's what he meant.


in any event he's wrong.

[Edited on October 2, 2006 at 9:36 PM. Reason : ,]

10/2/2006 9:35:25 PM

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"Through 3 games this season Rivers has 64 attempts. That's 16 per game "


He's an idiot and you're an idiot

now plz just shut the fuck up

10/2/2006 9:59:25 PM

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