mean nothing to us. im sure the players keep up with stuff and knew there is no way we can go to the national championship game so there was no need to bust ass in games that meant nothing. i know this is bad and part of it goes on chuck but they seem like a different team completely in the conference game.

with the new rule of havign to go by standings (and all the good teams we have no earthly chance of passing for an at large) any way you cut it those non conference games mean nothing.

we win every game
-orange bowl

we win every conf game
-orange bowl

we win every game and lose in acc tittle
-gator bowl

we win every conf game and lose in acc tittle
-gator bowl

we come in 3rd
-peach bowl
we come in 3rd and lose non conf games
-peach bowl

and so on. and im sure they figured if things go so bad that they dont win 4 conf games they dont even care. they care about ecu cuz thats n state


knowing you can't win it all from day one is a hard pill to swallow for comptetitors of this level.

10/1/2006 6:14:54 PM

10/1/2006 6:18:17 PM

i wish this was true (the part about them not caring)

10/1/2006 6:18:18 PM

shut the fuck up seriously.


Those two losses will probably keep us out of a bowl game this year.


We played better against BC because we had a QB who didn't suck dick and that inspired the rest of the team because they knew we had a chance.

10/1/2006 6:19:29 PM

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" Those two losses will probably keep us out of a bowl game this year."

10/1/2006 6:19:59 PM

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

justify it all you want

the fact of the matter is that NC State plays to the level of their opponents in just about everything

10/1/2006 6:20:40 PM

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"We played better against BC because we had a QB who didn't suck dick and that inspired the rest of the team because they knew we had a chance."

Wow this sounds vaguely familiar, I'm surprised CharlieEFH didn't jump on that, same crap different year

10/1/2006 6:32:24 PM

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"we win every game and lose in acc tittle -gator bowl we win every conf game and lose in acc tittle -gator bowl "

i thought this was the peach now...

10/1/2006 6:38:35 PM

what i meant was...

We played better because we had a QB that didnt suck dick.


As in our QB actually completed some passes and that makes us 10x better as a football team.


When we were still in the game in the 2nd half our intensity was much higher than in the SO Miss game when we knew we had no chance to win.

I didnt mean we werent trying hard when Stone was the QB

[Edited on October 1, 2006 at 6:39 PM. Reason : a]

10/1/2006 6:39:37 PM

hcnguyen does have a point tho

10/1/2006 7:04:08 PM

YEAH, ORANGE BOWL HERE WE COME

10/1/2006 7:47:41 PM

isn't this the first year teams with losing records can actually qualify for a bowl?

if such is the case, our team by virtue of its fans, will be one of those that could get invited even with a slightly losing record

10/1/2006 7:57:12 PM

this is fucking stupid

[Edited on October 1, 2006 at 7:59 PM. Reason : although somewhat true but its not worth the stress of losing to shit teams]

10/1/2006 7:59:12 PM

yeah, bc technically you have to lose no more than 2 games over a two year period to even sniff a national champ title shot. the whole system is jacked!!!

10/1/2006 8:21:38 PM

hcnguyen please stop posting in sports talk

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.......... you have the dumbest shit to say ALWAYS

id rather hear ohio state is the best team in the nation. at least that shit makes sense as mad as i am to face that truth.

10/1/2006 9:07:20 PM

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"isn't this the first year teams with losing records can actually qualify for a bowl?"

huh? Used to be that you normally had a 11 game season so to go atleast .500 you had to go atleast 6-5 with a win over a 1AA team only able to be counted like ever 3 years. Now the season is 12 games, so .500 means you have to go atleast 6-6 and can count a 1AA every year.

10/1/2006 9:29:48 PM

^haha

10/1/2006 9:30:02 PM

people are all in Evans' draws now because he started one game and won...
Stone wasn't so horrible, half the people on here wanted to have his baby after Davis got pulled out

like TJB627 said, same crap, different year, and different names... but it's all the same..

10/1/2006 9:35:12 PM

^^matias?

[Edited on October 1, 2006 at 9:35 PM. Reason : yo]

10/1/2006 9:35:34 PM

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"and im sure they figured if things go so bad that they dont win 4 conf games they dont even care."

i think most of you guys didnt read this phrase so you didnt understand the post at all. either that or you didnt understand it.

they know they are good. if you tell ohio state right now they are inelgible but can still make the car care bowl they wont be like "OK LETS GO WIN THE CAR CARE BOWL!!!!"

10/1/2006 9:55:13 PM

We manage a winning record, it's a bowl of some kind, no matter who the losses are to. Our travelling fan base assures us of it.

10/1/2006 10:23:52 PM

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" im sure the players keep up with stuff and knew there is no way we can go to the national championship game so there was no need to bust ass in games that meant nothing."

are you fucking serious

justify that statement

10/1/2006 10:29:56 PM

^^^i have no fucking clue what your point is there. are you talking about nc state or ohio state?

SYNTAX MOTHERFUCKER, CAN YOU USE IT?

10/1/2006 10:31:55 PM

i heard the players found out that southern miss really wanted to try to make a bowl game this year and since they "knew there is no way we can go to the national championship game" decided to let them have it.

I also heard that they really enjoy the car care tire bowl so much that they were afraid winning could vault them into a fruit named bowl.





ps. this is a terrible thread. all players play hard all the time. you don't work your ass off all spring and summer to "not bust ass" in games that mean nothing.

10/1/2006 11:10:36 PM

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"Stone wasn't so horrible"

Bullshit.

10/1/2006 11:25:55 PM

^^

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"I also heard that they really enjoy the car care tire bowl so much that they were afraid winning could vault them into a fruit named bowl."

you dont understand this thread at all. like, you dont have a clue. the backbone of this thread is the fact that those games have 0% meaning in fruit bowl implications.

the only purpose of non conference games for an acc team is for two types of teams

a. teams that might win a national championship
b. shitty teams that want to go to the car care bowl

now we could be b. but i know the team doesnt think they are shitty(b) an they probobly understood that there was no chance to win the national championship

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"this is a terrible thread. all players play hard all the time. you don't work your ass off all spring and summer to "not bust ass" in games that mean nothing."

you are wrong about this. many players on many teams. (especially undisciplined ones) will always try to win and want to win but theres a difference between trying to win and "busting ass" and if the other team wants it more you might lose. many players have the lazy notion of why risk getting injured in a game that doesnt mean anything? thats why one of the main jobs for a coach is to "fire the guys up" and inspire them to want it more.

when we aint hungry...

[Edited on October 2, 2006 at 1:11 AM. Reason : WERE NOT B OR A]

10/2/2006 1:09:36 AM

dude. stop posting forever please.

rivalling earl for idiocy title.

10/2/2006 1:11:55 AM

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"b. shitty teams that want to go to the car care bowl"

sounds like us perfectly

10/2/2006 1:11:55 AM

but the players dont think that.

10/2/2006 11:32:48 AM

our players are aiming for the top, we should know that

10/2/2006 12:45:17 PM

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"many players have the lazy notion of why risk getting injured in a game that doesnt mean anything?"

if you have ever played a contact sport, or knew anyone who played a contact sport, or even spoke to anyone who played a contact sport, you would understand the bullshit behind your argument. you're basically saying the players took it easy so as to not get injured, right? anyone who has played a contact sport will tell you as soon as you play easy and try not to get hurt, you're setting yourself up for injury. RB's still have to hit the hole hard, QB's still have to get the ball out before they get drilled, D players still have to make the solid tackle because if you ease up, someone on the other team is going to rock your fucking world. lights out, game over.


please stop posting such total bullshit.

10/2/2006 1:03:27 PM

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"Stone wasn't so horrible"

100% FALSE

10/2/2006 1:08:10 PM

do you really think the players on our team are smart enough to figure that out

10/2/2006 3:37:10 PM

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"if you have ever played a contact sport, or knew anyone who played a contact sport, or even spoke to anyone who played a contact sport, you would understand the bullshit behind your argument. you're basically saying the players took it easy so as to not get injured, right? anyone who has played a contact sport will tell you as soon as you play easy and try not to get hurt, you're setting yourself up for injury. RB's still have to hit the hole hard, QB's still have to get the ball out before they get drilled, D players still have to make the solid tackle because if you ease up, someone on the other team is going to rock your fucking world. lights out, game over."

have you ever played big level football? you dont understand what im saying and obviously havn't. im not talking about not hitting the whole hard or what you said. its more of a mentle mindset than physical actions

its not about trying
its about playing with a fire under your ass.
playing with everything on the line.
its about playing every down like its your last
putting your body on the line to pick up the extra yard instead of ducking ob
its about having more passion, desire, and focus than the next guy
But most of all...its about being hungry
and when we hungry....WE EAT~hcnguyen

[Edited on October 2, 2006 at 9:36 PM. Reason : a few changes to the poem]

10/2/2006 9:34:55 PM

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"we come in 3rd -peach bowl "

It is now called the Chick-fil-A Bowl (no peach) and the ACC has given the Chick-fil-A Bowl the first pick of its teams after the BCS. The Chick-fil-A Bowl is now better than the Gator.

10/2/2006 10:24:51 PM

^that is tragic.

10/2/2006 10:26:07 PM

you are saying that non-conference games have no bowl implications other then to win the national championship? you apparently are the one that doesn't understand how the bowl system works.

"Now, teams with .500 records can qualify for bowl games if their conference has a contract with a bowl game. Also, teams with .500 records (e.g. 6-6) could earn bowl bids if all other Division I-A teams with winning records have been taken and postseason spots still remain vacant."

you need to be 6-6 to make a bowl game, that means we could go 5-3 in conference, which is respectable(probably good enough for 3rd or 4th place) and lose our 4 out of conference games and not go to a gowl game. by losing to Akron and So. Miss we are now in a position that means we have to win 2 more ACC games to make a bowl. The loss to Akron and So. Miss were huge and the players know that. We have 3 very good teams left : FSU, GT, and Clemson, if we lose those that means we have Wake, UNC, UMD, UVA, ECU and would need to win 4 of the 5. Granted our schedule isn't particularly hard, it is still an ACC schedule, and by losing those to out of conference games we put ourselves in a corner.

there are other reasons why out of conference games are important that you didn't think of as well. for starters, bowl games don't HAVE to take a certain team(outside of the BCS). When we went to the Gator bowl we leaped ahead of a few other teams that were ahead of us in the ACC standings because we had a good enough record to argue our case, and when that is coupled with a strong traveling base we tend to get strong consideration for bowl games. Our OOC losses make it hard to justify giving us a better bowl game over a team that has a better record but not as good of a traveling fan base.

but hey, u seem to know what you are talking about and everyone is agreeing with you so i bet you're probably right.

10/2/2006 11:49:25 PM

^in old years you would be right but your knowledge is obsolete. this year they made a rule where the bowls have to go by acc standings. and like i said before, the team does not think they suck (like you probobly do) so going into the season the team didnt think winning 4 acc games would be an issue. they wanted the in state non conf games bad from the start for local pride so those are the other 2.

10/3/2006 12:15:05 AM

where does it say that they are going by the ACC standings regardless of having a .500 record? I've looked all over and can't find that anywhere, but have seen over and over that .500 teams can make it, but nowhere that suggests that under .500 can make it as long as they are high enough in the conference. not saying you are wrong, but just put up the link with the article i'd be interested in seeing about how a 4-8 or 5-7 team is going to be bowl eligable.

10/3/2006 5:43:01 AM

you must not have read where i constantly said the team does not think they are going to suck. they dont go into the season with the possibility of losing 5 or 6 conf games on their mind.

10/3/2006 7:40:18 AM

thats not the point, you said that only conference standing matters, that was the whole basis of your arguement, and your entire post.

"with the new rule of havign to go by standings (and all the good teams we have no earthly chance of passing for an at large) any way you cut it those non conference games mean nothing."

i just want to see where you found that only conference standings are determining bowls at this point. by your logic a 4-8 team can make a bowl game, by going 4-4 in conference you could still be the 4th place team and losing your 4 OOC games wouldn't matter according to you. i don't give a fuck what they have in mind going into the season, i want to see where you read that non-conference games don't matter anymore and only conference standing does.

[Edited on October 3, 2006 at 11:43 AM. Reason : .]

10/3/2006 11:42:51 AM

hcnguyen=pwnt

10/3/2006 12:01:03 PM

they have nothing to do with WHICH bowl you go to, not IF you go to A bowl.

jesus read.

nobody on the team went into the season thinking theyre not going to make a bowl.

10/3/2006 4:27:51 PM

dude...i think its you who arent reading....back when we went to the gator bowl..we got in because of our non conference schedule...not our conference one...so they can determine which bowl you go to

10/3/2006 4:40:38 PM

omg why are you still talking about 2002 when they just changed the rule this year?

its like you are arguing about what you can bring on a plane using your flight in 2000 as an example

by new rule:

acc bowls must select teams by the corresponding rank in acc standings and nothing else.
(assuming teams are bowl elgible)
bowls are selected by acc standings now because last year bc got screwed. if a team went 0-4 non conf 6-2 acc and won their division they would be in the orange bowl (if they win the jacksonville game) or the #2 bowl (if they lose the jacksonville game)


somebody told me the #2 bowl is now chickfila instead of gator so i think it goes

orange
chicken
gator
etc...in a certain order

10/3/2006 4:49:06 PM

What gets me is he actually thinks he knows what goes through the players' minds. If these guys care anything about the school that's giving them money to attend, I would hope that game in and game out they're gonna give it their all. Not to mention, there are bigger things at stake then just the season, say for instance the rest of their careers. If they decide they just want to go out there and half-ass it that dramatically hurts any opportunity they would have in the draft. Anyway, my point being it's utterly rediculous to assume the players wouldn't bust ass because you see a situation where YOU wouldn't bust ass. Just because you don't have pride in what you do doesn't mean they don't.

10/3/2006 4:52:17 PM

wtf dude, first off, stop talking like you know how players on the team are thinking going into the season. you don't know shit, your not at practice all spring, your not in the huddle losing to Akron.

"and im sure they figured if things go so bad that they dont win 4 conf games they dont even care. they care about ecu cuz thats n state"

"they dont go into the season with the possibility of losing 5 or 6 conf games on their mind."

"nobody on the team went into the season thinking theyre not going to make a bowl."

You aren't in the locker room, and you clearly have never been involved in any meaningful athletic competition.

Next stop using stupid phrases where you switch words like If and WHICH and use the bold feature.

Here, I'll do that too. Its not IF they go to the bowl, its WHEN they go to a bowl that non-conference games matter. There now I am more like you.

fucking annoying. And yes, you are correct that non-conference games don't matter as long as you've won them to become bowl eligable. however, you never said that until just now after i brought it up 4 times. but if you don't win enough games to be bowl eligable(conference or non) then it doesn't matter. thus non-conference games are very important, and in your original post you left that part completly out.

[Edited on October 3, 2006 at 4:57 PM. Reason : done.]

10/3/2006 4:53:42 PM

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"I would hope that game in and game out they're gonna give it their all."

NOPE

10/3/2006 4:55:17 PM

^http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2528025


^^i've said it time after time they are trying but there is a different mindset between wanting to win and WANTING TO WIN

you have never heard in sports talk "x team wanted it more" or "coach x really fired his guys up"

its really hard to explain to you what im trying to say. most sports fans just know this.

its not that they arent trying its just that its not detremental to them

its like the difference between "its 1st and 10" and "OMG ITS 4TH AND GOAL"

10/3/2006 5:01:35 PM

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"but if you don't win enough games to be bowl eligable(conference or non) then it doesn't matter. thus non-conference games are very important, and in your original post you left that part completly out."

these are players that im pretty sure go in expecting to win the acc or something close. chuck has high goals hes not a "lets go out and have fun maybe win a few games" kind of coach. What kind of players go into a season thinking they might not win 4 measly conference games. that is nowhere on the mind of these guys


do you think when a good team loses early in basketball they are like"OMG WE MIGHT NOT MAKE THE TOURNAMENT"?

10/3/2006 5:05:12 PM