to release the emails and IMs from Foley when it looks like they've known that he was endangering a child and possibly more children for over a year now?




could politics be more important than right/wrong again?


I in no way support this guy, but I do think it's shitty to have known about it and then not bother to release the info until it can be used as a political advantage... if the dude was doing this and people knew, it should have been made public then and there

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 8:31 AM. Reason : .]

10/5/2006 8:30:45 AM

Do you have a link about the democrats allegedly knowing about this? This is news to me, though I haven't followed this story tooth and nail, so maybe I'm just wrong.

10/5/2006 8:35:02 AM

Yeah, I know. We should just have elections every 4 months. Think about it... gas prices would stay low

10/5/2006 8:35:15 AM

whoever knew about it ahead of time and didn't say anything should be at as much fault as anyone else.

that said: where did you see that it was a democrat that kept the info back?

10/5/2006 8:35:58 AM

So what time could they have released this info and NOT have it seen as a political move

10/5/2006 8:37:53 AM

I'll try and find a link

I heard it on the radio yesterday evening and it just made me hate politicians even more

apparently in 05, people from the DNC or the DCCC knew about this and vowed that they were going to "ruin him" or something like that... said something along the lines of "we're going to have a flyer and email campaign to ruin him"


just seems shady that politics are more important than stopping a criminal

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 8:39 AM. Reason : I'll try and find it]

10/5/2006 8:38:44 AM

If this is true, I see no difference between what they've done and what Hastert has done.

10/5/2006 8:46:39 AM

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"So what time could they have released this info and NOT have it seen as a political move "

i think you're missing the point.

the point is that the timing of the release was politically timed, and in this case, that's fucked up if they sat on that information for the sake of political considerations.

if that's what they did, i hope it burns them hard...just like i hope Foley goes to the slammer.

and I could see Karl Rove and the like doing the same think if the sides were switched...both sides have a lot of dirty players.

10/5/2006 8:49:33 AM

Before people start discussing this... it would be nice if there was a semblance of a source...


b/c ive heard this floated, but only by john stewart so far and that could of just been humor

10/5/2006 8:52:04 AM

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"Paid Republican tipped off Foley e-mails WASHINGTON, Oct. 5 (UPI) -- The original source who tipped the news media about sexually suggestive e-mail to House pages from former U.S. Rep. Mark Foley was a paid Republican employee. The Hill newspaper said the unidentified aide is no longer employed in the U.S. House of Representatives but after tipping off the media about the Florida Republican's messages backed them up by posting un-redacted e-mail messages on the Internet site stopsexpredators.blogspot. ABC News first reported about the e-mail Friday, just as Congress was about to recess for the midterm November elections. In one exchange from August 2005 Foley asked a teenage former page his age and requested a photograph. The youth's parents were concerned enough to ask their son's congressional sponsor, U.S. Rep. Rodney Alexander, R-La., to take steps to stop Foley's correspondence, the Hill said. U.S. Rep. John Shimkus, R-Ill., chairman of the House Page Board, said in a statement that after hearing from Alexander he ordered Foley to cease all contact with the page and to be "especially mindful of his conduct with respect to current and former House pages, and he assured us he would do so." Foley resigned last Friday and entered an alcohol rehabilitation clinic Monday."

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20061005-072955-5550r

maybe the radio show you heard made the same sort of mistake as some other news outlets:



[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 8:57 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 9:01 AM. Reason : .]

10/5/2006 8:53:56 AM

thats what i kinda guessed.... the democrats would know that if they waited for that long it would only give the republicans a way of saying exactly what your saying... politics was more important than the law...

10/5/2006 9:08:16 AM

would that surprise you though

politicians are shady as hell

it didn't really cross my mind until I heard it

but it wouldn't surprise me at all

10/5/2006 9:12:33 AM

mostly what I am finding is blogs, but there are links within them

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/10/if-gay-activists-democrats-knew-of.html


been kinda busy at work but I'll keep searching

I guess my main goal here is for people to quit seeing republican/democrat and start seeing politicians as what they are

10/5/2006 9:22:06 AM

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"apparently in 05, people from the DNC or the DCCC knew about this and vowed that they were going to "ruin him" or something like that... said something along the lines of "we're going to have a flyer and email campaign to ruin him" "

i heard that too...im working on finding something about it

what i heard was that there was a gay activist group somewhere who wanted to out gay politicians who were republicans for the purpose of showing them to be hypocrites for voting against the gay agenda and thereby making it easier to defeat them in elections. So they got ahold of this Foley crap and went to the DNC with it but the DNC didnt want any part of it. so nothing came of it. until now.

10/5/2006 9:24:10 AM

it's a gay conspiracy!


i'm sure what gay groups want is to out gay pedophiles in positions of power.

10/5/2006 9:37:31 AM

I'm not saying it's a gay conspiracy, but if they knew of his conduct being inappropriate something should have been said before now


thats why I think it's shady policians... take off your blinders

10/5/2006 9:39:36 AM

well republicans knew about it and his office apparently knew about it. is there any evidence that democrats knew about it? i find it hard to believe that dems knew about it 3 years ago and didn't use it in 2004.

10/5/2006 9:41:00 AM

when did I say republicans and the leadership didn't know about it?




IT'S STUPID FUCK POLITICIANS IN GENERAL

quit acting like one party or the other is above being shady, even to the point of allowing a criminal to operate

10/5/2006 9:43:15 AM

I dont find that hard to believe at all...

what i heard ontheradio was that these gay activist groups know Foley was gay and they knew he was voting against the gay agenda soo...they wanted totake him down..which....makes sense....i dont know treu that is...but its not hard to believe

10/5/2006 9:43:22 AM

If there were concrete evidence that the Democratic Leadership knew about this for a long time and decided to wait until now to play their card, then I'm pretty sure that the Republicans would have mounted a VERY aggressive counter-attack on the issue by now.

However, if lower-level Democratic activists played this smart, they would have kept this a secret from the Democratic leadership, maybe hinting of a "trump card", and thus giving senior Democrats the ability to deny that they knew anything about the scandal beforehand... nevermind that if the rumors were as widespread as they make it out to be, then I'm pretty sure Democratic congressmen heard them too...

10/5/2006 9:58:30 AM

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"If there were concrete evidence that the Democratic Leadership knew about this for a long time and decided to wait until now to play their card, then I'm pretty sure that the Republicans would have mounted a VERY aggressive counter-attack on the issue by now."

...i think that evidence is in the works

10/5/2006 10:02:43 AM

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"I'll try and find a link I heard it on the radio yesterday evening and it just made me hate politicians even more apparently in 05, people from the DNC or the DCCC knew about this and vowed that they were going to "ruin him" or something like that... said something along the lines of "we're going to have a flyer and email campaign to ruin him" "

This sounds like something Rush or Hannity would say without any evidence to back it up.

10/5/2006 10:15:45 AM

This is the first place I have heard about a liberal conspiracy on this issue. Hearing a blurb of Michael Savage ranting as you tune through the radio isn't enough for me to give much consideration to this without a link.

If it is so obvious, there should be plenty out there to link to by now.

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 10:19 AM. Reason : ^ were thinking along the same lines]

10/5/2006 10:18:37 AM

the democrats would never put politics over right and wrong would they fellas

10/5/2006 10:19:49 AM

well...its not obvious, i guess

10/5/2006 10:19:53 AM

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"the democrats would never put politics over right and wrong would they fellas"

Sure they would. It would be nice though, in the spirit of this thread, if you could provide even a sliver of credible fact or proof of your assertion.

10/5/2006 10:23:48 AM

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"This sounds like something Rush or Hannity would say without any evidence to back it up."

Sort of like assuming the Dems have not had their own run-ins with pedophelia and sexual assaults within the ranks. But hey, don't let reality get in the way of your partisan Hatorade.

10/5/2006 10:24:49 AM

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"Sort of like assuming the Dems have not had their own run-ins with pedophelia and sexual assaults within the ranks."

This doesn't follow what you quoted. Maybe you should try restating what you are trying to say?

So far, the only folks trying to bring partisanship into this thread, are the known repubs.

Weren't you the guys bitching in the Feedback thread to get all the liberal shit out of this section?!

10/5/2006 10:26:45 AM

^^^ plenty of history backs that statement up

like I said earlier, take the blinders off and see politicians as they are

they all fuck us, they just wear different costumes to the party

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 10:27 AM. Reason : .]

10/5/2006 10:27:30 AM

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" This sounds like something Rush or Hannity would say without any evidence to back it up."

yeah...no partisanship there...

but the democrates have had thier fair share of run-ins. Look at Bill Clinton. He was accused of sexual assualt and paula jones got absolutely crucified.

10/5/2006 10:31:11 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/02/AR2006100200333.html

This article gives a good overview of the situation. A lot of top republicans knew and thought they had dealt with the matter. Depending on what exactly they knew, though, they should have done more.

Also, it says he FBI found out in July. I wanna know why they waited until late September to do anything about it.

10/5/2006 10:35:16 AM

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"^^^ plenty of history backs that statement up like I said earlier, take the blinders off and see politicians as they are they all fuck us, they just wear different costumes to the party"

Sorry, I meant the assertion that there is a democratic set up in the Foley incident.

I don't have blinders on, I realize entirely too many of them are a bunch of attention starved small dicked men who just want the power that being an elected official gives them.

And I fully agree with you, that in general, we are fucked regardless of who is elected because not enough of these people look out for the people that elected them, only looking out for themeselves.

10/5/2006 10:38:20 AM

I'm probably to the right of most of ya'll (though not a fucking republican) and think this a bullshit argument to make. If the Dems sat on this then fuck em, but clearly the pubs are at fault with this clusterfuck.

You don't want Dems playing politics - get rid of your fucking pederasts. Its that damn simple, and the Pubs screwed the pooch on this. The GOP knew about, hid it, and got busted. Deal with it.

One thing's for sure - if the Dems somehow (I doubting it) take either/both the house and Senate, them expect supeanas to be flying pretty soon thereafter. The pubs are better off getting rid of Hastert now and ramming this through the Ethics Committee before the election while they still have it stacked in their favor.

10/5/2006 10:46:28 AM

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 10:48 AM. Reason : asdf]

10/5/2006 10:48:19 AM

So this seems to be the basics of this thread:

Side A accuses side B of something. Side B asks for some proof. There is no proof, so side A, instead of admitting it might have been a mistake to post it, is now attacking side B for trying to argue the issue because it COULD have happened, even though it seems that it didn't.

Does this make sense?

10/5/2006 10:54:30 AM

I said I heard it on the radio jackass


I figured it would bring up interesting conversation

I didn't claim to have hard proof

but keep on thinking what youw ant about your party

10/5/2006 10:56:45 AM

el gimpy

yeah...i heard it on the radio too ....

and the evidence in this case is apparently forthcoming....i hope it does come though but if it doesnt...ehhh

10/5/2006 10:59:12 AM

Hey I heard somewhere that Bush has a dungeon in the bottom of the White House where he tortures baby chickens.

I'll make a thread about it.

10/5/2006 10:59:14 AM

well sure, if you heard about it on the radio then make a thread

it's not like mediamatters doesn't have threads all over the soap box

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 11:01 AM. Reason : .I don't like it so I'll make jokes]

10/5/2006 11:01:35 AM

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"You don't want Dems playing politics - get rid of your fucking pederasts. Its that damn simple, and the Pubs screwed the pooch on this. The GOP knew about, hid it, and got busted. Deal with it."

Dude, you lost on this post.

Sure, the republicans fucked up if they knew about the IMs (the emails weren't overtly sexual) and did nothing about it. And the ones that knew and looked elsewhere deserve to be booted from Congress and possibly arrested. But if democrats also knew about it, and timed the story's release to make it damaging, then they also helped keep a pedophile in office. That is JUST as wrong and the one's that did so would deserve the same treatment as the republicans that knew as well.

It doesn't matter if you're democrat, republican, or independent. If you knew about this, you should have said something.

10/5/2006 11:02:14 AM

You really shouldn't listen to talk radio, unless you want to be a misinformed partisan hack.

10/5/2006 11:03:09 AM

yeah, because there aren't any partisan hacks in the soap box right

10/5/2006 11:05:47 AM

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"misinformed partisan hack."

^^

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 11:06 AM. Reason : asdf]

10/5/2006 11:06:39 AM

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"Dude, you lost on this post."

Bullshit. I've great with booting anyone who knew anything about either the emails or IM's and say on it. Trying to pin this on the Dems is a pussy way of going about things though. Quit yer bitchin.

10/5/2006 11:07:30 AM

no one, well not me, is trying to pin it on them


if they knew about it and kept a pedophile in office until now for political gain then they are just as wrong as any republicans that kept it hidden also

10/5/2006 11:12:29 AM

I still wonder if the Republicans had ousted him from the get go, if the Democrats would have accused the Republicans of gay bashing

10/5/2006 11:15:58 AM

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"Bullshit. I've great with booting anyone who knew anything about either the emails or IM's and say on it. Trying to pin this on the Dems is a pussy way of going about things though. Quit yer bitchin. "

Plz 2 speek Engrish

Do you know what was sexually explicit in the emails? You'll find that no one is talking about the content of the emails and its because it was creepy, but not overtly explicit (like the IMs).

Unless he broke ethics rules or laws with the emails, knowing about it and confronting him privately is the right thing to do. Saying "Dude, you're acting strange, stop it or we'll can you" is perfectly acceptable if all you knew about was mildly creepy emails. The IMs, which you hear about all day long on the news, but they generally forget to preface it, weren't known about by many until now. Those that knew about them earlier, regardless of party affiliation, should be in deep shit.

I certainly am not pinning it on the democrats. I don't know if any of them knew anything at all, I was just saying that you can't say it is a republican fiasco unless the republicans knew laws/ethics had been broken.

10/5/2006 11:18:10 AM

^^no

because homosexuality and pedophilia are two completely different things

how many times has this been said?

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 11:18 AM. Reason : .]

10/5/2006 11:18:34 AM

JUST BECAUSE HE IS GAY DOESN'T MEAN HE IS A PEDOPHILE

YOU CONSERVATIVES ARE ALWAYS HOLDIN DOWN SOMEONE


or something along those lines


fucking politicians

they only want power to get payback for the last few elections anyways... I doubt they are gonna do shit for the country other than seek revenge

whatever, the republicans are gonna keep fucking us too though

10/5/2006 11:18:57 AM

but ya know whats crazy????!?!?!?!...in the case of Foley....we have both homosexuality and pedophilic desires going on....

please note...we dont actually have any pedophilic activity

10/5/2006 11:19:57 AM