http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=246337

Good article by the Fayetteville Observer on State fans.

11/7/2006 5:27:31 PM

that writer is doing a week long series on the NC State basketball situation. He's actually done a pretty damn good job so far....its actually pretty responsible journalism.

11/7/2006 5:30:47 PM

dead on

11/7/2006 5:34:45 PM

For the most part, he pretty accurate.

11/7/2006 5:35:16 PM

Wow, great article

[Edited on November 7, 2006 at 6:10 PM. Reason : long as hell, but worth it]

11/7/2006 6:10:13 PM

great article, makes me proud to be a state fan, and makes me hate dick vitale even more

11/7/2006 6:56:31 PM

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"and makes me hate dick vitale even more"

amen

11/7/2006 7:07:20 PM

^ + good article

11/7/2006 7:11:48 PM

^^ agreed

11/7/2006 7:15:20 PM

Wow, that is some quality writing. That is the most most fair and accurate summation of how us fans feel.

^^^Dick is a dick.

11/7/2006 8:39:29 PM

and when we hongry

11/7/2006 8:40:35 PM

guess he didn't go to UF?

11/7/2006 8:41:17 PM

great read
vitale can suck a blue penis

11/7/2006 8:46:01 PM

We need to eat

11/7/2006 9:17:46 PM

reading this, you get the idea that it's now or never, in terms of getting back to perennial national prominence

and man, even though i suppose that's never really the case, it sure does feel like it

11/7/2006 9:35:10 PM

when we hungry, WE EAT

11/7/2006 9:47:45 PM

You cant use that line without more posts

11/7/2006 10:05:39 PM

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"its actually pretty responsible journalism."

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"Wow, that is some quality writing."

hahaha...so because the article is Pro-State this time, it's quality writing and solid journalism?


That sounds about par for the course around here.

[Edited on November 8, 2006 at 12:21 AM. Reason : ]

11/8/2006 12:21:03 AM

^read the whole series, I wasnt refering to the article in particular. These guys are doing a week long series on the NC State situation.


They have written some stuff that I didn't like too, but its always backed up and the article doesn't leave you feeling like they just took a shit on your school...unlike most of the shit we read.


What makes it responsible journalism is that it addresses all points of views. He tells you the ugly stuff, and then gets quotes from NC State people to qualify the ugly stuff. Its not denying the fact that we're jealous, loud, and obnoxious, its just pointing out that its ok to be like that.

[Edited on November 8, 2006 at 1:17 AM. Reason : ]

11/8/2006 1:14:45 AM

^amen

11/8/2006 1:44:34 AM

that was a good read.

11/8/2006 1:57:41 AM

Dick Vitale is the man.

Just because he says things that you people don't like, you hate him.

And he has tons of respect for NC State.

[Edited on November 8, 2006 at 2:14 AM. Reason : ]

11/8/2006 2:13:44 AM

no he has respect for Jimmy V

11/8/2006 2:20:59 AM

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"Dream: “Everybody has a dream. What’s wrong with that? Yeah, it’s risky because if you say, ‘I want to win championships’ and if you don’t do it, people will say, ‘You promised us.’ But the only way to achieve anything important is to believe in your dreams.”"

isnt that the same thing alot of fans gave Chuck Amato shit for????

11/8/2006 2:48:13 AM

when we hungry, we starve

11/8/2006 6:53:39 AM

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"isnt that the same thing alot of fans gave Chuck Amato shit for???? "

No, he gets it for losing all the time.

11/8/2006 7:32:12 AM

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"Such unhappiness fueled an outside stereotype of Wolfpack fans as malcontents who always have the guillotine ready for their coach. Former Student Wolfpack Club president Will Howie believes that perception is ignorant. "

stereotype? I think its pretty obvious at this point.

11/8/2006 8:44:18 AM

The Fayetteville Observer ALWAYS does a better job than the N&O on writing stuff about State...my mom works there and she said a lot of the journalist are UNC fans but they still write good stuff about us

11/8/2006 8:45:05 AM

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"Win: “We don’t need championships every year to make us happy. But be competitive in the ACC and at least try to win a championship. You can’t be afraid to get in the ring with the heavyweights.” "

thats bullshit. we've been competitive for a number of years now, and have had multiple chances of winning the ACC.

ours fans want nothing less then a national championship every year. they are completely unrealistic.

11/8/2006 8:50:40 AM

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"thats bullshit. we've been competitive for a number of years now, and have had multiple chances of winning the ACC."

so, how many chances would we have needed to actually get one?......

11/8/2006 9:25:30 AM

Closest we came was against Duke in 03



FUCK...WE LOST A 20 POINT LEAD THAT DAY B/C OF THE WEAVE AND HEAVE OFFENSE.



Then we had the best team for it in 04...2nd in the ACC and already beaten the #1 team....THEN WE LOST ANOTHER 20 POINT LEAD IN THE SEMIFINALS TO MARYLAND.


05 we just got lucky to make the finals...which is fine b/c its progress....Then we got lit up by JJ....AGAIN. (oh and the fact that we couldnt make a basket...taht didnt help)

[Edited on November 8, 2006 at 9:45 AM. Reason : ]

11/8/2006 9:44:30 AM

that number that looks like a 8 on its side

11/8/2006 9:46:06 AM

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"Closest we came was against Duke in 03"

And we would have won that one if we had had non-ACC officials--Duke was allowed to rape us in the second half, especially down the stretch.

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""Win: “We don’t need championships every year to make us happy. But be competitive in the ACC and at least try to win a championship. You can’t be afraid to get in the ring with the heavyweights.” "

I agree that is bullshit. Herb did exactly that.

11/8/2006 10:10:47 AM

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"You can’t be afraid to get in the ring with the heavyweights.” ""

^you're right, he was exactly that.

11/8/2006 10:12:22 AM

^and that's bullshit. He knocked off Duke when they were #1 at home, and UNC when they were #1 in Chapel Hill, Maryland when they were #2, UConn when they were #2, etc.

11/8/2006 10:26:30 AM

That's not a list of the things Herb did wrong. That's a checklist of what we need. And while Herb satsified that requirement, it was the others that led to the pressure to leave.

11/8/2006 10:29:20 AM

As long as you make it to the tournament, does it matter if you lost to UNC or Duke?

11/8/2006 10:31:55 AM

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"and that's bullshit. He knocked off Duke when they were #1 at home, and UNC when they were #1 in Chapel Hill, Maryland when they were #2, UConn when they were #2, etc. "

I'm not a herb basher per say....I agree that those were all good wins, but with the exception of UConn, there wasn't anything huge riding on any of those wins......not to mention if you can only come up with 4 big wins in a decade (especially when we play duyke and unc twice a year), something is wrong.

Why could we get to the ACC tourney championship so many times but not pull 1 off even with huge leads @ half time?

Herb did what he was brought here to do, but it's time for a new chapter, period.



[Edited on November 8, 2006 at 10:40 AM. Reason : .]

11/8/2006 10:39:27 AM

^^ You should word that:

As long as you beat Duke & UNC, does it matter if you make it to the tournament?

This year, no. It wouldn't matter. Typically, beating UNC and/or Duke was always our biggest achievement, because we'd fizzle out in the tourney regardless

EDIT: And it was indeed a great article, but the BOOSTER'S points were a bit off. We have indeed smashed Chuck for "promising" championships and losing like nobody's business.

[Edited on November 8, 2006 at 10:53 AM. Reason : .]

11/8/2006 10:40:19 AM

thats a GREAT article

11/8/2006 10:43:30 AM

^^ My point is that despite reaching the tourney the past several years in a row, fans are more concerned with the rivalry they have with their friends/family/co-workers that went to these schools than the team's overall performance each season.

[Edited on November 8, 2006 at 10:44 AM. Reason : ^]

[Edited on November 8, 2006 at 10:46 AM. Reason : ]

11/8/2006 10:43:50 AM

^i think beating unc and duyke go hand in hand with successful seasons. One reason being, if we want to win the acc reg season or tourney, we will most likely have to beat one or both at least once....maybe as many as 3 times in a given year.

11/8/2006 10:46:07 AM

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"overall performance each season"

C'mon buddy, you're shooting yourself in the foot here. With Herb Sendek, you could count on one thing for sure: LOSING in the 1st (or 2nd, if we're lucky) round of the tourney EVERY YEAR.

Ever met a REAL diehard Colts fan? Do you wonder why people aren't taking last weekend's victory over the Pats seriously? Because regardless of how incredible the Colts play in the regular season, people still expect (and they're probably right) the Colts to lose quickly in the post-season.

Regardless of a perfect regular season, fans are gonna be pissed with ALWAYS losing when it counts. Thus, our pain w/ Herb.

11/8/2006 10:56:44 AM

We won our first round game every year but the year that Cal pulled a 3 at the buzzer out of their ass.

Part of it in the NCAAs has been bad luck: Freijie going off on us, the phantom intentional foul on Melvin, the foul on Hodge when Caron Butler was shooting a 3. Our NCAA success was not that bad.

Let's just go to the NIT so we can advance far.

11/8/2006 10:59:44 AM

^ What you're missing is that with Herb, there was no excitement or thrill ever, because no matter who we beat and boasted about, some gay (and correct) UNC fan would say: "Heh, you guys are toast in the tourney, no matter what." And they were right. Every year it was pointless to invest emotion in our basketball squad because we KNEW the outcome before the season ever started.

At least with Lowe, there's a slim glimmer of hope. There's that *chance* to pull off some miracles in the year's to come whereas Herb would never up his emotional investment in our club to achieving the impossible for State. The same glimmer of hope won it big in '83, and Lowe knows what it feels like to win when you shouldn't. At least now State fans have REAL hope. Herb was a guarenteed loser in the tournament year in and year out.

11/8/2006 11:05:00 AM

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"As long as you make it to the tournament, does it matter if you lost to UNC or Duke?"

serious question? it matters a lot, especially when you don't do well.. ever.. in the tourney.

11/8/2006 11:06:45 AM

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"At least with Lowe, there's a slim glimmer of hope. There's that *chance* to pull off some miracles in the year's to come........The same glimmer of hope won it big in '83"

I like that.......ftw.

11/8/2006 11:09:42 AM

^^^ I guess I'm just not willing to believe that the outcome of a 64 team elimination tournament can be determined by a coach simply outcoaching 5 other coaches in consecutive games. Or that a team should win because its fans feel a greater sense of entitlement than the others'.

There are too many factors involved with winning the NCAA to be dissappointed in not winning it in a couple of appearances.

[Edited on November 8, 2006 at 11:12 AM. Reason : ]

11/8/2006 11:11:49 AM

^what about the acc regular seasons, or the acc tourneys...when we all but had it in the bag a few times?

11/8/2006 11:13:59 AM

^^^ to me that is a pipe dream. '83 was '83. It will never happen again, period. No matter how many players from that team we bring back to the staff. I don't understand the desire to recreate that team every year, since it's impossible.

Villanova doesn't cling to '85 like this. I'm all for remembering and honoring that team but decisions shouldn't be made and hope shouldn't be continually drawn from it. It's a once in a lifetime type of thing..

[Edited on November 8, 2006 at 11:18 AM. Reason : not a knock on lowe so don't take it that way]

11/8/2006 11:17:13 AM