hes gonna be picked up by someone soon.

11/11/2006 10:08:02 PM

FSU, jk lol

11/11/2006 10:10:58 PM

Why not stay at Wake and establish dominance there.

11/11/2006 10:16:08 PM

because he likes money.

11/11/2006 10:18:38 PM

^^ not realistic

11/11/2006 10:19:00 PM

Not realistic how, strong programs have to get their start somewhere. Not all coaches are attracted to next big paycheck or the calls from the pro leagues. If little old Duke was able to find a way to keep a fairly unkown coach as he help build a dynasty, I think Wake could do the same. I doubt Skip is getting paid out of the ying-yang and they should have the alumni that can start poneying up the dough.

11/11/2006 10:35:11 PM

^ Lat time I checked, Skip was at ECU and Jim Grobe was the one coaching at WFU.

11/11/2006 10:38:07 PM

How about Skip Prosser, since i was referring to money Wake alumni had to pay out in general to coaches in thier revenue sports.

[Edited on November 11, 2006 at 10:40 PM. Reason : .]

11/11/2006 10:38:46 PM

Haha, that makes more sense, I was thinking football.

11/11/2006 10:39:30 PM

wake has horrible facilities, no history/undesirable location

11/11/2006 10:45:12 PM

wow I guess those types of things could never be improved then.

11/11/2006 10:47:05 PM

they could never be a powerhouse, period.

they can have some nice days but theres too many things working against them in the long run

11/11/2006 10:48:43 PM

^ that sounds as about as realistic as the folks who belived Wake would never shutout FSU, at Doak Campbell Stadium no less

11/11/2006 10:55:10 PM

thats more about fsu than wake

but thats a whole different story

11/11/2006 10:56:12 PM

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"wake has horrible facilities, no history/undesirable location"

sounds like Duke basketball, pre coach k......think about that

11/12/2006 12:06:45 AM

Or FSU before Coach Bowden

11/12/2006 12:07:55 AM

^^duke was a good bball program with some history before coach k.

it all comes down to basketball and football being different. smart kids can hoop but are generally worse at football.

11/12/2006 12:16:33 AM

its interesting because although all signs point to a coach like grobe going elsewhere, now is the time for him to cement his place as a contender in the acc. with the florida schools struggling, and the nc schools not showing much right now, he could really start something there. now when fsu and miami finally wake up, and state and unc decide to play like they have a pair, then thats another story...

11/12/2006 12:20:09 AM

Folks, do your homework, Grobe was signed to a ten year contract within the last couple years, a buyout from another team would be nothing short of 3M for grobe, and I'm not sure about his staff, prolly another 2M, but not sure about that. No teams' in the market this year could afford that. Also, Grobe has changed the culture, and it wasn't overnight. If he left for another school which means that ridiculous buyout would take place, he would have to start over, and leave a program he built with his players, and by his players, I mean disciplined who maximize their potential and don't run their mouths when they aren't winning.

11/12/2006 12:20:54 AM

IF wake can stay in the top 25 for the next few years, I could see them getting a larger and nicer stadium, or at least a major renovation.

W-S isn't a small town, and they don't have any other local sports besides minor league baseball. I can see them getting behind WF if they were consistently good.

11/12/2006 12:54:15 AM

And his system will continue to work. Get kids that the other ACC schools don't necessarily want. Red-Shirt 95-100% of your freshman class. Let them grow up a little, learn the system, and exclusively play with upperclassmen. Let everyone's Junior year be a down year, and their Senior year turn out like this. Every other year, he's a contender. Personally, I think he's playing the system at Wake perfectly

11/12/2006 12:54:40 AM

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"IF wake can stay in the top 25 for the next few years, I could see them getting a larger and nicer stadium, or at least a major renovation."

they are all ready in phase 2 of a 6 phase renovation to the stadium

http://wakeforestfacilities.com/about.htm

11/12/2006 12:58:10 AM

It's a lot harder for a private university to build and maintain a top football program.

11/12/2006 1:07:42 AM

signed,
Miami
USC

12 combined national championships since 1972 and 9 combined Heisman trophies overall

11/12/2006 3:30:59 AM

^ those schools are twice the size of Wake Forest, have lower academic standards, not to mention located in prime recruiting areas

11/12/2006 3:35:52 AM

well, wake forest is the smallest univeristy in the country to have a d-1 football program, so for all of those who think its possible to build a powerhouse, fuck off.

11/12/2006 3:36:58 AM

So, by that logic, Wake should have the weakest team in NCAA football, and schools like Central Florida and South Florida should be powerhouses since they have over 40,000 enrolled??? BTW, tOSU has the largest enrollment, so your argument may hold some water.

quite guy, are you sure USC and Miami have lower academic standards (for non athletes, I assume that's what you meant)

11/12/2006 3:41:00 AM

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"schools like Central Florida and South Florida should be powerhouses since they have over 40,000 enrolled"

those schools have relatively new football programs and compete with 3 other schools in the state that are established

USC and UM have slightly lower academic standards for non-athletes, but are significantly lower for football

11/12/2006 3:46:50 AM

that and besides FSU's sheer student volume - they were an all girls school until around 1950 remember

11/12/2006 4:43:59 AM

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"well, wake forest is the smallest univeristy in the country to have a d-1 football program"

WRONG-DIRECT FROM WIKIPEDIA

"Of all schools that play Division I-A football, only Rice and Tulsa have smaller undergraduate enrollments."

11/12/2006 4:48:23 AM

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"USC and UM have slightly lower academic standards for non-athletes, but are significantly lower for football"

Proof?

Undergrad or grads?

I'd definitely agree about football team.

11/12/2006 6:17:38 AM

^^ yeah they even said that during the game last night in the fourth quarter.

It amazes me how many people keeping believing that certain event can never happen. As, it has been already mentioned in this thread Duke didn’t become a powerhouse overnight and they were not anything to gloat about before Coach K came. On the reverse side of the coin, Duke football was great enough to find themselves playing in the Rose bowl which Wallace-Wade hosted that year, my how things dramatically changed.

It seems many of you believe that football powerhouse of today were simply born that way. I guess it is hard to believe something great could happen at a small school like Wake if you were never witnesses to see similar events take place at a small school like Miami. I mean who would have ever thought some coach named Butch Davis would take a program under academic violations and who had to compete for recruits against the established super powers of FSU and Florida would ever be able to right the ship and win a title? If you were not witness to those turn of events I can see why you could fail to believe something similar could happen.

Wake doesn’t have to co against any super powers here in NC. This year will help Jim Grobe start to win some battles against UNC and State probably. However, one season does not make a great coach. I am sure Jim Grobe is smart enough to realize that as well. Putting his multi-million dollar contract aside for him and his assistants, I am sure he is smart enough to not get himself involved with leaving an up and coming program for one with already established expectations only to have an uphill battle to meet them. Staying at Wake he can better foster his name and become one of the greatest college coaches of all time.

Shortsightedness seems to be common these days though. Small or new programs like Wake or Rutgers should never be able to contend for titles. I guess this seem line of thinking is what helps to justify the BCS.

[Edited on November 12, 2006 at 6:29 AM. Reason : .]

11/12/2006 6:29:09 AM

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"I mean who would have ever thought some coach named Butch Davis would take a program under academic violations and who had to compete for recruits against the established super powers of FSU and Florida would ever be able to right the ship and win a title? If you were not witness to those turn of events I can see why you could fail to believe something similar could happen. "

you make it sound like UM was some no accomplishment nobody before him. They already had 4 national championships at that point. Comparing apples to oranges.

11/12/2006 10:50:58 AM

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"^ those schools are twice the size of Wake Forest, have lower academic standards, not to mention located in prime recruiting areas"

cough Notre Dame

the private thing is irrelevant and the opposite might actually be true because the alumni funding is so strong

11/12/2006 11:34:57 AM

rutgers has alot of students they have like 10 campuses.

and im pretty sure duke was a basketball name before coach k.

11/12/2006 1:17:30 PM

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"rutgers has alot of students they have like 10 campuses."

They have like 3

Plus that's like saying UNC has 16 campuses (UNC-W, UNC-C, UNC-G, etc.)

11/12/2006 1:29:54 PM

Jim Grobe will stay at Wake for probably his entire coaching career. The only job that he would consider taking would be if the University of Virginia (his alma mater) offered. He loves coaching at Wake and would only give though to UVa, but would probaly opt stay at Wake.

As told to me by Jim Grobe's college roomate.

11/12/2006 2:26:30 PM

no rutgers is all one university. its not like 16 ucs or uncs. you go to a different campus depending on your major. its like if the brickyard was in raleigh and the court of carolinas was in smithfield everything on the other side of the rr is in henderson.

11/12/2006 2:30:06 PM