I say they are also terrorists.

http://tinyurl.com/ujbgs

11/20/2006 8:56:28 AM

They got balls though

11/20/2006 9:01:40 AM

Well, at least this time they are volunteering, rather than being unwitting. That means I have no problem blowing them up.

Especially the ones that are using themselves to shield actual gunmen, not just "militants"

11/20/2006 9:09:34 AM

Where do I sign up?

11/20/2006 9:38:25 AM

To blow them up or to be a douche?

11/20/2006 10:01:56 AM

i mean shit... i am usually not a big fan of isreal, but what the hell.... they give you warning to help and you use it against them. so next time they wont give the warning, simple as that. then you can die?!?! WTF...

11/20/2006 10:42:08 AM

Kill them.

11/20/2006 10:47:19 AM

Yeah, Israel gives warning to leave so no one gets hurt, and instead, they all pile up on top of the damn thing. I would totally have bombed all their houses while they were gone. All that is left is the building they're all on top of.

11/20/2006 10:49:56 AM

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"Well, at least this time they are volunteering, rather than being unwitting. "

true, but all of them have been effectively brainwashed

11/20/2006 11:09:25 AM

Attn: Palestine

FYI, We will not be bombing your building at 11:00 AM. There is no need to gather around or in said building.


With Love
-Israel

11/20/2006 12:06:10 PM

lol

11/20/2006 12:21:00 PM

lol nice

11/20/2006 12:40:25 PM

if it was a practical option, i would hit it with a rocket or two (or a short burst of cannon fire or something) to show them that their human shield tactics weren't going to stop anything.

after that, i'd tear the shit out of the place whether they left or not, and not really care one way or the other. if you knowingly stand in the middle of the target like that, then whatever happens, happens.

11/20/2006 1:02:23 PM

bgmims...oh, how I wish faggots like you get wiped off the face of the Earth.

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"They got balls though"

Amen!

Unlike some folks who hide behind their computer screens and act all tough

11/20/2006 4:39:13 PM

Oh, you're totally right. If you haven't used yourself as a human shield this week, you really have no courage.

And, why praytell do you think I should be wiped off the face of the earth? Because I disagree with people openly supporting those that kill the innocent? Do I think Israel acts like a douche on the daily, absolutely, but the Palestinian gunmen don't get some fucking free pass like you retards want to give them. Blame the big bad Israel for not respecting human life, but crazy guys with AKs hiding behind a crowd of people, they get the fucking pat on the back.

11/20/2006 4:56:01 PM

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"Because I disagree with people openly supporting those that kill the innocent?"

The Israelis? Oh yeah, palestinian children don't count as innocent because they happen to live in the same neighborhood as a murderer.

[Edited on November 20, 2006 at 5:02 PM. Reason : ]

11/20/2006 5:02:32 PM

*YAWNNN*

11/20/2006 5:35:25 PM

Kris, the important flaw is that your attack assumes I support Israel when it kills civilians. I don't.

However, when you give fair enough warning and the civilians react in this way, I don't think you can fairly label them as "innocent bystanders," at least to the same degree.

Maybe you missed:

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"Do I think Israel acts like a douche on the daily, absolutely, but the Palestinian gunmen don't get some fucking free pass like you retards want to give them. "

Or maybe you just chose to ignore it because it didn't work for your point.

11/20/2006 8:13:15 PM

The palestinans DO get a free pass in my book because they are the oppressays. Israel is the orppresser. The people volunteering to be shields are just standing up for what they think is right. Very similar to Rosa Parks or a "Sit in".

11/20/2006 8:20:09 PM

I see. Well notwithstanding your spelling, I think you're wrong. I think the wrongdoing isn't monopolized by only one side.

And just so you're clear...you're saying they get a free pass for murdering and torturing women and children? You want to endorse that position?

[Edited on November 20, 2006 at 8:34 PM. Reason : .]

11/20/2006 8:33:34 PM

I'm not endorsing anything but if you play with fire you should get burned.

11/20/2006 8:37:35 PM

What the fuck does that mean?

Don't you think standing on a building destined for a bomb is "playing with fire"?

You are without a doubt the dumbest current poster in the Soap Box.

11/20/2006 8:40:35 PM

cathocutie tries so hard to be counter-culture that everything argument she presents is a text-book case of self-ownage.

11/20/2006 9:50:22 PM

cathocutie deserves to be raped for not wearing a burka

11/20/2006 9:56:54 PM

This shit is getting too routine for me.

There was NEVER, not even one time, an agreement that the Palestinians, might after all, be the victims.

I mean....

Its the usual case...

1) Thread about the "terrorists"
2) A flock of pro-Israelis jump in here yapping about the poor Israeli civilians
3) More pro-Israelis come in here yapping about the poor Israeli civilians
4) Pro-Israelis ATTACK and INSULT the pro-Palestinian's character
5) Thread slowly dies off
6) Go back to step one

Pathetic, thats all.

11/20/2006 10:13:42 PM

i'm considering a suspension for her on the grounds of being a black hole for all things reasonable and intelligent.

11/20/2006 10:15:42 PM

^dude, come on.

You better not.

She is one of the very few pro-Palestinians on this damned site.

If you suspend her, then might as well suspend me

11/20/2006 10:29:12 PM

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"However, when you give fair enough warning and the civilians react in this way, I don't think you can fairly label them as "innocent bystanders," at least to the same degree."

Wrong. There is only one degree of innocence, and if they didn't kill anyone, they are innocent. Your arguement would be similar to me refusing to call Israeli civilians innocent because they must serve in the military, in fact, I believe mine would be more apt (although both are incorrect).

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"Or maybe you just chose to ignore it because it didn't work for your point."

No, I don't think they get a free pass, I do sympathize with them because they are being invaded and they are losing their homeland.

11/20/2006 11:42:27 PM

^^ As he stated, he wouldn't be suspending her due to her positions. He'd be suspending her due to her piss poor arguments to support them.

11/20/2006 11:45:19 PM

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"There is only one degree of innocence"

Is it really that black and white?

I mean, lets say that you were about to execute a murderer by firing squad. As you told the firing squad to aim ten people who knew him walked infront of him. You can't kill the murderer any other time than now - this is your only chance.

What do you morally do? Clearly those ten people are attempting to play on your morality to prevent the death of someone who deserves to die (at least according to 'standard human morality').

I'm using someone else's words as your own here (which sucks), but Rosa Parks or a "Sit in" is a very different situation. Non-violent protest by definition is non-violent. In this case, the people 'protesting' are metaphorically attempting to break apart a fight between two people that have deep seeded reasons for fighting - reasons which don't put either party clearly in the right or the wrong. When you do something like that you better expect to get a black eye.

(ps - I sympathize with the Palestinians too and consider the formation of Isreal to be a mistake equal to that of the surrender terms of Germany in WWI)

[Edited on November 21, 2006 at 12:00 AM. Reason : .]

11/20/2006 11:58:35 PM

^^^^now THAT will make a difference.

[Edited on November 21, 2006 at 12:04 AM. Reason : 3]

11/21/2006 12:03:57 AM

I have absolutely no sympathy for someone who knowingly stays in a place that they know is going to be bombed. It's sheer fucking stupidity; and if you argue that they only reason they stay is b/c the terrorist people are gonna shoot them, then I'd rather get shot then wait for someone to drop bombs on me. Bunch of whining Palestinian fuckers.

11/21/2006 2:42:13 AM

^at least we have the opinion of the degenerates, now

11/21/2006 4:15:50 AM

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"Wrong. There is only one degree of innocence, and if they didn't kill anyone, they are innocent."

Really, so I guess we should throw away that whole "accessory to murder" category of the law. From now on, if you aren't the trigger man, you are as innocent as a newborn babe. All hail this new manifesto.

11/21/2006 6:59:51 AM

And from now on, following Israel's policy, we should simply replace our SWAT team with a cluster bomb.

Think about it! We don't put our cops in harm's way! If the people in that building don't want to die, it's as simple as kicking the armed and dangerous criminal out! As for the minors, they had it coming to them anyway... what with being in the same general area as the criminal, and all!

11/21/2006 7:20:20 AM

Well, McD, if by cluster bomb you mean precision guided bomb, then I agree with you, to eliminate/minimize that collateral damage. Or perhaps rather than sending warning to the enemy, you simply drop the bomb on their house and let them die.

11/21/2006 7:22:21 AM

How about by cluster bomb I mean cluster bomb http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/07/24/isrlpa13798.htm

11/21/2006 7:27:16 AM

You know what I did there dammit, lol

I'm saying that your example could easily be modified to make it a coherent position.

11/21/2006 7:50:09 AM

What?

You're saying that, if Israel were humane, I wouldn't have a point? How remarkably cogent!

11/21/2006 8:19:03 AM

right a "precision guided bomb"

remember when we bombed the chinese embassay?

11/21/2006 9:43:43 AM

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"Really, so I guess we should throw away that whole "accessory to murder" category of the law. From now on, if you aren't the trigger man, you are as innocent as a newborn babe."

Those are guilty, they took a hand in the murder, they killed someone, these people had nothing to do with the murder, they just don't want their house destroyed.

And Israel won't use precision guided bombs because they want to demolish as many homes as possible, bombing a suspected terrorist is a much more acceptable way of demolishing homes and making refugees than rolling in with bulldozers, although they aren't above doing that.

11/21/2006 10:09:23 AM

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"their house"

So that explains why they crowded around the house of the militant. They left their houses in order to crowd around this one.

Waht is your excuse for the ladies that made themselves a barricade for the gunmen holed up in the mosque?

11/21/2006 10:43:58 AM

^^^ yeah, that bomb precisely hit the target that it was programmed to hit. It just so happens that 'human error' caused it to target the wrong target.

[Edited on November 21, 2006 at 10:44 AM. Reason : ^]

11/21/2006 10:44:10 AM

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"these people had nothing to do with the murder, they just don't want their house destroyed."

here i'll fix that for you:

these people had nothing to do with the murder, they just don't want their house the bomb and rocket factory destroyed.

11/21/2006 10:48:11 AM

Every palestinian home is a weapons factory. Thus, we must destroy them all in the name of Jewgold.

11/21/2006 1:12:19 PM

There is certainly a difference between an average palestinian and a militant gunman. When Israel blurs the lines and kills civilians, they deserve reproach. When average palestinians turn into accessories to terrorism, they deserve the same level of reproach.

11/21/2006 2:05:13 PM

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"So that explains why they crowded around the house of the militant. They left their houses in order to crowd around this one."

Irrelevant, the point is still that Israel should take the same measures any other civilized government would, go in there and get the guy, then try him, not bomb a whole city block.

11/21/2006 2:06:39 PM

Kris, why do you hate freedom?

11/21/2006 2:08:31 PM

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"Well, McD, if by cluster bomb you mean precision guided bomb"

haha, dude, even a "small" 500 lb bomb has one helluva blast radius. in close quarters, it's not necessarily surgical even if it impacts 1m from where it's being targeted.

11/21/2006 2:25:47 PM

No, I understand that, what I was saying was, instead of warning them so they flocked to his home, they could simply bomb his home. You can do that with RPGs and have a pretty small blast radius.

11/21/2006 2:28:43 PM