My vote is carefully cast for Herb because

A) Coming into most football seasons we had no reason to be optimistic. We have a lot of rabid Wolfpackers who mistakently think we have a good squad when we really don't and that tends to skew things. We all (and by all i mean the 5-6 realistic fans in the "Nation") knew we would suck this year.

B) We have never amounted to jackshit in football. Our fans actually consider beating a washed up Notre Dame team with a backup QB and in a bowl that we undeservedly were selecting to play in and were favored by 2 points as the "glory days".

C) At least our football team occasionally beat UNC.



Herb gets serious demerits because he

A) Squandered some of the most talent the Wolfpack Nation has ever seen.

B) Doesn't understand that basketball stragety differs with varying levels of talent. When you have the best team you don't have to "hope" to win and play in the fetal position all night.

C) He never even tried to beat UNC. Not once did he even go for it.

D) Never even admitted that he might be the problem. As horrible as Chuck is at least he admits his team has flaws (penalties?!?) whereas Herb never understood his underachieving teams were a direct result of his loser mentality.


Being shy will never get you anywhere. If you're gonna be wrong, be dead wrong. That way when you're right you'll be right. Like Chuck is against FSU.

Fire Chuck, but fuck Herb.

11/21/2006 10:50:43 PM

lets leave the past in the past

11/21/2006 10:52:00 PM

every point you made against herb can be used verbatim against chuck

11/21/2006 10:52:15 PM

CHUCK IS FAR WORSE.

HERB BROUGHT US FROM NOTHING TO 6 STRAIGHT TOURNEYS.

CHUCK BROUGHT US FACILITIES AND WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO COME IN DURING THE PHILIP RIVERS ERA.

ALTHOUGH I SUPPORTED THE FIRING OF BOTH COACHES. CHUCK IS FAR WORSE.


^SERIOUSLY, USING THE TALENT ARGUMENT AGAINST HERB AND NOT CHUCK IS JUST INSANELY FUCKING RETARDED, IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE, IT LOWERS YOUR CREDIBILITY FOREVER.... CHUCK HAS SQUANDERED TEN TIMES THE TALENT LAST YEAR ALONE AND ALSO DURING PHIL'S TIME THAN HERB EVER DID. CHUCK JUST HAD 3 FIRST ROUND D-LINEMEN, 2 OF WHICH START. PHILIP RIVERS. TERRENCE HOLT. BRIAN CLARK. SEAN LOCKLEAR. JERRICHO COTCHERY. THE LIST GOES ON. FORMER PLAYERS MOSTLY STARTING OR AT LEAST PLAYING SOME IN THE NFL

[Edited on November 21, 2006 at 10:58 PM. Reason : FDSA]

11/21/2006 10:52:22 PM

Mike Vick.

11/21/2006 10:55:45 PM

usually rally's posts are at least coherent--never very much grounded in reality, but they're intelligible

but this is a fucking trainwreck

[Edited on November 21, 2006 at 10:58 PM. Reason : ]

11/21/2006 10:57:23 PM

Quote :

"lets leave the past in the past"

11/21/2006 10:58:24 PM

Quote :

"ALTHOUGH I SUPPORTED THE FIRING OF BOTH COACHES. CHUCK IS FAR WORSE. "

wait he hasn't been fired YET

11/21/2006 11:01:59 PM

and herb wasn't fired at all

that wasn't what he was saying, though

learn to read

[Edited on November 21, 2006 at 11:04 PM. Reason : exactly]

11/21/2006 11:03:32 PM

^



i meant i did/have supported that they be fired, i suppose i could have worded it better

[Edited on November 21, 2006 at 11:04 PM. Reason : fdh]

11/21/2006 11:03:56 PM

i miss herb

but i doubt i'll miss chuck if he leaves

11/21/2006 11:10:50 PM

Quote :

"every point you made against herb can be used verbatim against chuck"

You mean like going for it on 4th and 6 with 2:39 to go and timeouts left isn't different from

Quote :

"C) He never even tried to beat UNC. Not once did he even go for it."

? Man, I'm a little confused here.

11/21/2006 11:13:23 PM

uh, going for that fourth down was pretty much packing our bags and conceding that shit, with our anemic ass offense. there is absolutely no conceivable reason to go for it rather than punt in that situation.

11/21/2006 11:15:39 PM

Chuck made a TERRIFIC decision to go for it on 4th down.

We are down one score with almost no time left.

If we punt there he might as well say hey there is a huge piece of sand in my vagina and my clit is burning.

Fuck the Wolfpack Nation. You guys know dick about football, honestly.

If you are gonna blame Chuck for going for it on 4th down then you are the problem, not him.


I think Chuck Amato sucks as a head football coach. He gives the guys an artificial sense of supremacy when in reality this team has accomplished nothing since he got here.

He sucks as a disciplinarian. Witness Corey "Candy Bandit" Dawson and Marcus "Tropical Starburst" Hudson.

Our program is run horribly. The penalties are a reflection of the players we recruit.

But your expectations are INSANE. Did you really think we'd beat D-1 teams with Marcus Stone at QB this year? REALLY? Did you? Because if you did then you are a blind supporter.

We had shitty talent this year and our shitty record reflects that.

11/21/2006 11:21:37 PM

Quote :

"Chuck made a TERRIFIC decision to go for it on 4th down. We are down one score with almost no time left. If we punt there he might as well say hey there is a huge piece of sand in my vagina and my clit is burning. Fuck the Wolfpack Nation. You guys know dick about football, honestly. If you are gonna blame Chuck for going for it on 4th down then you are the problem, not him."

IT'S FOURTH AND SIX ON OUR TEN YARD LINE.

OUR OFFENSE SUCKS ASS.

THERE ARE NEARLY 3 MINUTES REMAINING.

WE HAVE 3 TIMEOUTS.

WE ARE DOWN ONE SCORE.

UNC HAD HIT A BRICK WALL AND PUNTED ON TWO STRAIGHT POSSESSIONS.

EVEN WITHOUT THE HINDSIGHT OF FUMBLING IN OUR OWN ENDZONE, IT WAS A TERRIBLE DECISION.


^STOP TRYING TO DEFLECT THE HEAT YOU'Re CATCHING OVER YOUR DUMBASS "TALENT SQUANDER" SO-CALLED POINT.

CHUCK HAD THE BEST QB IN ACC HISTORY, ALONG WITH MANY OTHER FUTURE NFL'ERS ON THAT TEAM AND HE FINISHED FOURTH IN THE ACC. THAT IS KNOWN AS "SQUANDERING TALENT"

HERB NEVER HAD A PLAYER OF THE SAME RELATIVE CALIBER OF PHILIP RIVERS. YEAH, HODGE, POWELL, CED, ETC WERE ALL THE MAN, BUT THEY WERE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO PHILIP RIVERS, RELATIVELY.





[Edited on November 21, 2006 at 11:31 PM. Reason : fdhs]

11/21/2006 11:25:50 PM

Quote :

"but this is a fucking trainwreck"

11/21/2006 11:27:58 PM

so

what exactly is the purpose of this thread

11/21/2006 11:28:46 PM

ernie who do u think sucked more?

i'm gonna go with chuck cause he only did good cause of p rivers

11/21/2006 11:31:58 PM

Quote :

"If we punt there he might as well say hey there is a huge piece of sand in my vagina and my clit is burning."

He already said that when he punted on 4th and inches AT MIDFIELD.

No one expected us to have a great team this year...but we didnt expect to lose 6 straight, most likely 7, plus a loss at home to AKRON, either. Plus, even though we didnt expect to win much, taking care of the penalty problem was certainly something that should have been accomplished or at least appear it had been addressed.

11/21/2006 11:35:27 PM

most likely 7

much less?

11/21/2006 11:36:32 PM

let's turn this into a discussion of a single decision

that way rally can avoid the fact that he made a fucking shitfest of a thread

11/21/2006 11:38:37 PM

Quote :

"HERB BROUGHT US FROM NOTHING TO 6 STRAIGHT TOURNEYS."

It amazes me that "you people" let other people get away with posting (shouting in all caps nonetheless) bold face lies that lack any factual content. Please list the 6 tournament appearances and I'll make the Dean Dome explode.


But to other important conversation, Herb brought Scooter Sherril down to China Town, for no reason, rattled him the day he saw the brickyard for the first time. Also, Jordan Collins, was the only player in Dematha history to start every game for Morgan Wooten, he didn't exactly pan out, and If you know anything about Wooten coached players......Levi's knee hurt us a lot I believe. He never reached Bennerman either, was it Bennerman or Sendek? I don't know. Not reaching Powell was also a sad sad saga in our history. Powell was an honor student as well, I didn't think he had a bad attitude, but I wasn't there to see any of their head to head issues. I also think we will see a huge improvement out of GG this year, something Sendek would have never done well. Fells shoudl have also played 5-7 more minutes last season IMO.

Chuck is a wolfpacker, but our football history is nothing, regardless of what some people say. however, He has gone .500 in conference play once, Sendek did it at least 3 times I believe, and the ACC is known for hoops, not the pigskin. It's really hard to say, but you'd have to give the slight edge to chuck, just because he's had much more talent than Herb IMO at the skill positions in a wekaer conference football wise.

[Edited on November 21, 2006 at 11:46 PM. Reason : .]

11/21/2006 11:40:52 PM

HERB BROUGHT US FROM NOTHING TO 5 STRAIGHT TOURNEYS

stop being a little cunt

11/21/2006 11:42:30 PM

You guys are just proving how little you know about sports.

It takes a hell of a lot more to win in football than basketball.

One fucking player equates to less than 5% of your starting lineup in football. Football is a chain game. If you are weak one place you get exposed. You are better off having 22 above average players than 2 studs, 15 good players, and 5 below average players.

Of course we had more first rounders in football you fucking lightweight. We have almost 100 players on the team. Get a fucking grip.

Dan Marino was the best QB in the 80's but he didnt win SB's because his team wasn't good. Brett Favre was the best QB of the 90's but he only won one SB because his team was outmatched most years.


Look at how basketball is structured. One player can dominate a game. Personally, I can walk out there with 4 average players and make them a good team because I can score everytime I touch the ball. As long as the other guys can make up for my defensive and rebounding deficiencies I can usually work the other team over for enough points to win.


You can not fucking do that in football. The best QB in the world is worthless behind a terrible O-line. The best D-line in the country (which we had) can only do so much when our offense is completely INEPT.

Do you honestly think its Chuck's fault that a top ten QB (Marcus Stone) can't complete a deep ball... can't complete a screen pass... can't even read the defense well enough to find a relatively open receiver on third down???

C'mon. I know you guys have limited sports knowledge but this is embarrassing.

You think we're better off with 1st and 10 from our own 20 yard line with 0:29 remaining then we are 4th and 6 with three timeouts????

You guys have played too many video games. This is real football. You cnat just call safety blitz and stop the HB dive three straight times you fucking clowns.

If you think Chuck is worse than Herb then go ahead and lay out an effective argument but please dont break out the "we shoudlnt have gone for it on 4th down" pussy-ass argument because thats just pathetic.

11/21/2006 11:43:59 PM

Quote :

"Do you honestly think its Chuck's fault that a top ten QB (Marcus Stone) can't complete a deep ball... can't complete a screen pass... can't even read the defense well enough to find a relatively open receiver on third down??? "

i think it's chuck's fault that we can't find alternatives to our weaknesses

we just keep failing over and over, trying the same shit

[Edited on November 21, 2006 at 11:47 PM. Reason : ]

11/21/2006 11:47:12 PM

Quote :

"HERB NEVER HAD A PLAYER OF THE SAME RELATIVE CALIBER OF PHILIP RIVERS. YEAH, HODGE, POWELL, CED, ETC WERE ALL THE MAN, BUT THEY WERE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO PHILIP RIVERS, RELATIVELY."

Exactly, Herb never had a guy go #1 in the draft like Mario either.

This thread is so wrong. Herb was NEVER going to get fired, Chuck is hopefully about to be. /thread.

11/21/2006 11:48:00 PM

Quote :

"If you think Chuck is worse than Herb then go ahead and lay out an effective argument"

It's really easy.

- Herb took over a program in the shitter and made us extremely respectable. We had the 2nd best record in the ACC over his last 4 years.

- Chuck took over a below average to mediocre program and in 7 years the program is still below average to mediocre (actually, its way below average, but I'm in a good mood today).

What more explanation do you need??? You are making this more of a personal argument than the simple, logical argument it should be.

11/21/2006 11:48:48 PM

Sorry ernie, but reading what you have to say does this sometimes....

Rally, I agree in part about football and the team concept, but exactly who's to blame for not making sure every "link in the chain" isn't up to par. Surely you would agree that Chuck is to blame a little for not making the chain stronger than it needs to be.

11/21/2006 11:52:06 PM

oh, ok. so you're saying that gator bowl team - with Dantonio Burnette, Philip Rivers, Jerricho Cotchery, Terrence Holt, Sean Locklear, Sean Berton, TA McLendon, and God knows how many other enormous talents - finishing fourth in the acc should not be considered squandering talent? you are a fucking moron, I am never taking anything you say seriously, ever EVER again.

I realize it takes a lot to win, Herb has 3 players playing in the NBA right now(if grundy still is), one of which never played with the other 2, and 2 of which left before their prime. if anything that's squandering potential.

MANY of chuck's former players are STARTING in the NFL. That means they are the best of the best. I don't give a goddamn about your fucking "football takes more to win" argument, that is just horseshit. other schools that put this many players in the NFL over such a short period of time that FUCKING START get better results than fourth in their conference. and those schools didn't have the best QB in conf history.

11/21/2006 11:55:49 PM

The only guy who even attempted to form a discussion so far is NCSUMEB

Im not looking for corny one liners this isnt an election campaign.

If you have no substance then dont fucking post.

Herb is very underrated as a bad coach and Chuck is overrated as a bad one.

What would it have taken for you guys to realize we were one of the weakest teams in the ACC this year?

I realize you all bought NCAA '07 for playstation and put it on varsity and ran for 2,900 yards and 56 TD's with Andre Brown... believe me, 7 years ago i was in video game mode too. But it's just not that fucking easy. We had HUGE holes this year. No offensive line, no QB, an inexperienced defense.

Do i believe Chuck should be fired? Fuck yes I do. He hasn't had this program in the right direction since he got here. The guy is smoke & mirrors. As in he blows smoke in your ass and his record mirrors the lack of dedication he gives to football.

Success breeds success. At least Herb gave effort. The fact of the mattter is that Herb's entire system was flawed and he flat out LIED to everyone. He said he'd switch gears as soon as he had the talent and instead he went the cozy route "hey i cant get fired as long as i play a style that wins enough games to make the tourney even if it gives us 0% chance of winning it"

Chuck is a bitch. Id tell him to his face he's an arrogant bitch and knows nothing about how to run a program. But you know where his confidence comes from? He's a been a winner before. Thats something Herb will NEVER experience in a major conference setting.


Herb will win enough to eat 3 meals a day safely for the next millenium but he will NEVER win big. Chuck at least has a fucking nutsac and even pulls it out once in awhile. Its just a lot smaller than he'd like to believe.

[Edited on November 21, 2006 at 11:59 PM. Reason : a]

11/21/2006 11:56:42 PM

Quote :

"(if grundy still is), "

He is not. Atlanta let him go. For that matter, our best player Hodge doesn't even see the court.

Powell and Simmons rarely do.

11/21/2006 11:58:07 PM

^^herb went to the NCAA tourney 5 straight times. brought the team up out of nothing.

Chuck basically inherited philip rivers for four halfway decent years. without him he is under .500.

[/argument, you fucking moron]

you can say your shit about "team," but the fact is chuck had an enormous amount of talent, especially in the gator bowl year, that any halfway decent coach would have been able to turn into solid gold. the amount of NFL starters that nc state has had with chuck as coach vs. the results are fucking ridiculous.

i'm done arguing with you, youcannot have a rational discussion, you just keep reverting to your dumbass video game comments, which you seem to think are clever or funny or something, when they really have no relevance to this discussion.

the only thing your video game comments apply to is going for it on 4th and 6 from the ten, which a retarded thirteen year old MIGHT do in ncaa '07.

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 12:03 AM. Reason : fhsd]

11/21/2006 11:58:52 PM

Quote :

"Im not looking for corny one liners "

Quote :

"I realize you all bought NCAA '07 for playstation and put it on varsity and ran for 2,900 yards and 56 TD's with Andre Brown"

11/21/2006 11:59:21 PM

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"We had HUGE holes this year. No offensive line, no QB, an inexperienced defense."

Why do we have those holes rally? Why is their such a weakness if Chuck is such a great recruiter?

You know this is 2/3 years we haven't even come close to a bowl. Herb made 5 straight NCAAs which is harder to fucking make than a bowl these days.

11/22/2006 12:00:17 AM

^^HAHA my thoughts exactly

11/22/2006 12:02:07 AM

For God's sake, it was 5 straight NCAA appearances, not 6, let's not award him 20% more than he did regarding the NCAA tournament.

Rally, I'd still have to give Chuck the slight edge of not getting it done, only because he was given the best QB in the conference and very solid O and D lines with serviceable skilled position players. Some blame for letting these things hit the fan has to fall squarely on Chuck. Sendek also went 11-5 in 03-04 in conference play, an exceptional record for any conference team not named Duke or UNC. Both coaches however, have squandered some serious talent.

11/22/2006 12:08:26 AM

What are you guys, 19 years old?

Herb brought us from nothing????

THat's funny because we won a National Championship in my lifetime in basketball.

We havent won an ACC championship/title in football since when?

What are you an adolescent?

Do you even fucking realize that Duke has a more recent ACC football title than we do?

Do you even fucking realize what NC State basketball was before our (ERRONEOUSLY REPORTED!!!) Scandals went down?

What do you mean when you say Herb brought us from nothing?

We have some of the nicest facilities in the fucking country.

The Carter-Finley you see today? Chuck Amato built that.

Do i think CAmato should be the football for North Carolina State University? NO. Because he sucks at coaching football.

But he DID build those facilities so show some fucking respect. tell him, pressure him to step down and then congratulate him on his contribution to Wolfpack football.

You fucking clowns went from being one of the bottom feeding programs in NCAA FOOTBALL HISTORY to a team with expectations and SOME success and yet you still BITCH because we arent beating Ohio State and winning fucking Orange Bowls.

Get a goddam grip. We have less football history than UNC, DUKE, AND ECU. All of those teams have experienced more TOTAL success than we have.



NC State basketball is a proud and honored tradition. You fucks have been saying "oh we suck this year" since before we tipped off the goddam season.

Why is it that before a basketball season "we suck" and that before a football season "we can win the ACC"? WHY?

We are 3-0 in basketball. People still think we will "suck" and are in for a "down year"

Yes i realize we have faced relatively weak competion. But according to you, we ARE weak competition.

But when we were 1-0 in football against D-1AA competition we were "holding back until ACC play"

11/22/2006 12:10:46 AM

^^yeah no shit i had a slight brain fart, it's not like I'm making up shit to support my cause, if I was I would have posted something that would inflate herb's record a lot more because obviously no one but you gives a shit over 5 straight vs 6 straght.

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 12:13 AM. Reason : FSDA]

11/22/2006 12:11:37 AM

Quote :

" Herb brought us from nothing???? THat's funny because we won a National Championship in my lifetime in basketball."

YEAH BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. I COULDN'T HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BACK WHEN WE SUCKED ASS RIGHT BEFORE HERB GOT HERE.

OR DID I MISS SOMETHING? DID HERB INHERIT THE 83 OR 74 'SHIP TEAM? OH, OK.

YOU FUCKING FALLACY SPOUTING DUMBASS.

I OBVIOUSLY MEANT WE SUCKED ASS WHEN HE TOOK OVER THE TEAM, NOT THAT WE HAVE NO TRADITION.

AND YES, I'M AWARE OF ALL THESE AMAZING FACTS YOU ARE SPOUTING ABOUT FOOTBALL, GREAT. CHUCK WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO INHERIT AN AMAZING MOC RECRUIT. IF THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE TALKING ABOUT THIS. CHUCK IS LESS THAN NOTHING WITHOUT PHIL. THX FOR THE FACILITIES, BUT HE SUCKS ASS AS A COACH, FAR WORSE THAN HERB.

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 12:18 AM. Reason : HFDS]

11/22/2006 12:15:21 AM

apparently there was also a time warp in rally's life from 1990 to 2000

11/22/2006 12:17:29 AM

Quote :

"DID HERB INHERIT THE 83 OR 74 'SHIP TEAM?"

"Of course not, that would be a record"-Kenny Mayne... Herb got here for the 96-97 season.

11/22/2006 12:17:40 AM

Quote :

"Herb brought us from nothing????"

You are an idiot. Programs are all about "what have you done for me lately." Because it's all about the players you can get in...then its about what the coaches can do for them. And when Herb took over, there wasn't a top prospect in the country who gave two shits about David Thompson or our '83 national championship. Then you add the fact that we had the fucking ACC play-in game named after us??

Chuck was in about the same boat as Herb was. Neither program had any recent history that recruits would care about. Both coaches got nice facilities and the line, "Hey you can play against UNC/Duke (bball) and FSU (football...soon to be Miami/Vtech)."

Chuck had some success with one of the best QBs in NCAA history and now he has fizzled out and has shown that he's not a coach for a big-time program. He had all the opportunities...national exposure with Rivers and the Gator Bowl, connections with Florida high schools to get good recruits, declining in-state programs that would allow us to take control of North Carolina recruiting, and HUGE fan support.

But he squandered it all and we are not in the shitter.

Herb slowly built us back into a top-25 national program. We were recruiting with the nation's best and making the tournament every year. His only problem was he could never get over that last hump. Chuck never even got us close to that last hump....WE NEVER FINISHED HIGHER THAN 4TH IN THE ACC WITH PHILIP RIVERS.

Herb wins over Chuck any day.

11/22/2006 12:19:37 AM

Dude (Rally), you really are a perpetual sports talk paradox. In one instance you will support a player for a certain reason and then not support another one for the same reason.

Quote :

"Dan Marino was the best QB in the 80's but he didnt win SB's because his team wasn't good."

...and Vick is a still a golden god with all his ints. and fumbles, yet it is his team who consistently keeps him from winning a superbowl?

Quote :

"C'mon. I know you guys have limited sports knowledge but this is embarrassing."

There's a difference between using sports knowledge to justify an argument and misconstruing facts to make constant fallacious claims.

11/22/2006 12:19:52 AM

Quote :

"apparently there was also a time warp in rally's life from 1990 to 2000"

we made the ncaa tournament and won a game and lost to OU I believe in the second round. So you might want to revise your attack into 1990, 1992-2000.

11/22/2006 12:24:21 AM

In the opening line of this thread i said my vote is "carefully cast" for Herb.

I didnt say i couldnt be swayed if an effective argument was presented.


You guys are complete reactionists.

You ignore all reasonability.

We looked MISERBALE against App-State and most of you thought we were "holding back"


We looked GOOD against FSU and most of you thought we were "ACC Contenders"


You guys are reactionists, just admit it.

We're ranked preseason #12 in basketball and thats why you think we'll suck. You didnt take the time to think about the fact we have Gavin Grant. Gavin is a junior and is ridiculously talented. We are suspect at other positions (is McCauley TOUGH, is Costner a good PLAYER, can Fells step it up a notch, can Atsur become a clutch player).... all of those are question marks. Newsflash, everyone has question marks.

Not everyone has proven talent like we do.


Our football team was destined to suck. We had shitty talent this year. Get over it, you arent the first undergrad to experience a bad football program.

The fact that you FUCKS (and by FUCKS i mean the people ive met at this subpar university over the past six years) cant support the basketball team with a POSITIVE outlook annoys me.

College football is subpar. Even in a good year theres no excitement unless you go undefeated.


NC State is going to the NCAA tourney this year. And if they dont they'll at least get NIT experience and we'll make a run next year. Support that team, at least they have promise.

NC state football is going nowhere fast, new coach or not. Any true NCSU fan knows Fowler wont be able to sign one of our top 8 choices.

11/22/2006 12:24:45 AM

wait so you're saying all of those things you just described applies to everyone on this board?

you just keep getting cooler and cooler by the minute.

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 12:31 AM. Reason : hfds]

11/22/2006 12:30:56 AM

Quote :

"A) Coming into most football seasons we had no reason to be optimistic. We have a lot of rabid Wolfpackers who mistakently think we have a good squad when we really don't and that tends to skew things. We all (and by all i mean the 5-6 realistic fans in the "Nation") knew we would suck this year."

I seem to remember being very optimistic Rivers' senior year.

I remember being optimistic at the beginning of last year, with our returning #1 defense.

Also, what does this have to do with Herb?

Quote :

"B) We have never amounted to jackshit in football. Our fans actually consider beating a washed up Notre Dame team with a backup QB and in a bowl that we undeservedly were selecting to play in and were favored by 2 points as the "glory days"."

How is this supposed to help Chuck's argument again?

Quote :

"C) At least our football team occasionally beat UNC."

.... First of all, UNC is a great basketball team, and a terrible football team. Sure, we should expect to beat UNC in Bball once in a while, but we should DEMAND to beat UNC in football EVERY TIME.

Second, Herb's record against UNC wasn't that much worse than Chuck's.

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"Herb gets serious demerits because he A) Squandered some of the most talent the Wolfpack Nation has ever seen."

I point you towards Mario, Manny, Tank, and McCargo.

Quote :

"B) Doesn't understand that basketball stragety differs with varying levels of talent. When you have the best team you don't have to "hope" to win and play in the fetal position all night."

This is the only real point you have here, he was too conservative.

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"C) He never even tried to beat UNC. Not once did he even go for it."

This is retarded, I don't even know what you could possibly mean here.

Quote :

"D) Never even admitted that he might be the problem. As horrible as Chuck is at least he admits his team has flaws (penalties?!?) whereas Herb never understood his underachieving teams were a direct result of his loser mentality."

When has Chuck "admitted that he might be the problem?"

He says his TEAM has flaws, when has he said "I suck at coaching."

I would conclude that Chuck is infinitely more sucky than Herb.

And what people don't get is that NCAA tourney appearance > crappy bowl game. MORE THAN HALF of div 1 football teams get a bowl, about 1/4 of div 1 basketball teams get into the tournament.

11/22/2006 12:31:18 AM

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"NC State is going to the NCAA tourney this year."

Wow. Add to my topics.

I am as big of a State fan as anyone, but we will be lucky to be in the NIT.

Quote :

"You know this is 2/3 years we haven't even come close to a bowl. Herb made 5 straight NCAAs which is harder to fucking make than a bowl these days."

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 12:33 AM. Reason : another]

11/22/2006 12:31:31 AM

You guys think that because you do the wave and dance to "schools back for summer" our inept offensive line is going to be able to block some of the premeire (not THE premeire, those belong in the SEC) defensive lines consistently.

Well you were wrong. And you've seen us lose a lot of games recently so you SHOULD understand why you're wrong. But you don't... you just blame it on Trestman (A GUY THAT HAS HAD SUCCESS NEARLY EVERYFUCKING WHERE HE'S BEEN AND IS GIVEN CREDIT FOR THE 90's VERSION OF THE WEST COAST OFFENSE WHICH WON FUCKING SUPER BOWLS)


The thing is we could hire Norm Chow back and you'd still complain. Hell, Belicheck could sign on as our DB's coach and you'd still make him a scapegoat.

We are NOT a football school and no matter how many Busch Lites you drink in the Trinity lot we will still never compete with Ohio State, Tenn, or Texas.

Get over yourself, your keg stands and Wild Turkey shots in the back of your F-250 (which isnt even functional because you live in a metro area you fucking redneck) are not gonna change the fact that we recruit the guys who were NOT GOOD ENOUGH to play in Florida and were NOT SMART ENOUGH to go anywhere else.

We have a subpar football program. We have for 70 years. Get used to it.

Channel your energy into basketball where it only takes 2 athletic "black" people and one good shooting "white" person to make some noise.

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 12:38 AM. Reason : a]

11/22/2006 12:35:54 AM

personally, i think the wave is a fun way to get the fans unified and shit

plus its cool if u can get it going all the way around

11/22/2006 12:37:57 AM