I guess I'll delete every picture I have with me holding any weapons

this is the crap that makes me hate the govt

http://www.wral.com/news/10471832/detail.html

I bet those fuckers have already looked at shit I've posted since they have my name on file for buying large quantities of guns and ammo

12/6/2006 2:35:37 PM

don't steal any PS3s and you should be fine

[Edited on December 6, 2006 at 2:43 PM. Reason : a]

12/6/2006 2:43:10 PM

So anybody breaking any law is subject to immediate execution by the authorities? That sounds great.

12/6/2006 2:44:01 PM

yeah, I don't steal PS3s

I don't steal

i mean, makes me wonder if they keyword search for shit like "pot" and stuff


but people stand around while every one of our rights gets pissed on

12/6/2006 2:49:12 PM

well if they were investigating a crime that they knew had been committed. and all they were doing was preparing themselves for an arrest, then i see no problem with them using the internet to find information on a suspect. what i might have a problem with is that they shot the guy when it might not have been necessary (i don't know. i wasn't there).

12/6/2006 2:51:11 PM

it's one thing in an investigation

but when people are pulling someones myspace up to make the determination on whether they need a uniformed officer or jack booted thugs with itchy triger fingers to show up at a residence then something is wrong

what happened to old fashioned police work?

and I have my doubts that it is used only in investigations and I find it funny that LEOs are the only people that can use that site and it's information

12/6/2006 2:54:02 PM

Quote :

"but when people are pulling someones myspace up to make the determination on whether they need a uniformed officer or jack booted thugs with itchy triger fingers to show up at a residence then something is wrong"

see and what if they had come with a couple dudes with pistols and the kid broke out with a machine gun? i think the sketchy bit of this event wasn't the preparation, but the execution (ie the "itchy trigger finger" bit)

12/6/2006 3:00:58 PM

so you're pissed off because the cops saw pictures of these dudes holding various weapons and decided that it would be a wise move to make the arrest with better equipped officers, just in case???

wow.

like ^ said, you're focusing on the wrong shit. be pissed off that the officers may have killed the guy unnecessarily.

12/6/2006 3:13:29 PM

it's not that incident that I'm even referring to


it's the fact that they have a site that they can dig up anything someone has put on the internet

thats what bothers me


the incident has been discussed over and over again

thats for another thread

[Edited on December 6, 2006 at 3:17 PM. Reason : .]

12/6/2006 3:17:11 PM

well. the internet is out there. i think if you put information on the internet, you should expect everyone, including law enforcement, to see it.

12/6/2006 3:18:59 PM

fair enough

what is so special about that site that makes it LEO only?


why don't they just conduct an investigation like cops used to do?

and no, I don't want a swat team kicking my door in, tearing my house up because there is a picture of me holding a gun (that I am alowed to own and purchase) on a web site

12/6/2006 3:21:01 PM

i don't know.

perhaps they don't want it out there for any scammer to have all sorts of information on you.

12/6/2006 3:23:29 PM

Good to see there's some Government search engine to spy into our lives and shit that isn't any of their business.

The Wilmington deputies who did this are on paid leave.
There's no need for a goddamn tactical team to go raid an 18 year old's house because he roughed up another 18 year old and stole a video game. The fact that the kid or a friend of his may have been photographed holding a gun at some point in his life is NO excuse.

People just dont understand that cops LIVE to go on raids nowadays. They absolutely LIVE to put on some body armor and a black ninja suit, pick up a submachine gun and bust someone's door in. And then they end up shooting people who either are innocent or don't deserve to be shot.
Or, the resident, not knowing what the hell is going on and who the hell is invading his home, shoots back and is suddenly a muderer.
I know that if I was upstairs in my house and heard my door being busted in or windows breaking I'd probably run for my gun. If I heard a knock at my door, however, I'd calmly answer my door.

It has already been established that the kid they shot was unarmed and there were no weapons present in the entire house. I hope these officers fry for this shit. I've heard they are already trying to cover it up.

12/6/2006 3:25:03 PM

Quote :

"Good to see there's some Government search engine to spy into our lives and shit that isn't any of their business. "

what of this stuff isn't public record? the only thing the site seems to add is convenience and ease of sorting through massive amounts of information.

12/6/2006 3:28:37 PM

^ did you read the article completely?

one stop shopping for LEOs to find out anything they want on the internet

It does bother me to see lot sof LEOs, especially around here wearing BDUs and such all the time

if you wanna shoot an auto rifle and weard BDUs go into the damn military

the citizenry doesn't need paramilitary blackwater types kicking their doors in every chance they get

but oh yeah, I'm not allowed to own anything thats capable of defending myself from these thugs while they can be trigger happy and kick doors in with auto weapons jsut because they are cops

and what about cops using sites like that to stalk and find out personal stuff about people that has no relation to their job

[Edited on December 6, 2006 at 3:31 PM. Reason : .]

12/6/2006 3:30:52 PM

^it's all public record and/or published on the internet. you seem to have a problem with police actions, not their access to a website. sure police could use this site for nefarious purposes. but there are plenty of powers they COULD use for nefarious purposes.

12/6/2006 3:33:56 PM

I have a problem with peoples rights being infringed by people who are supposed to "serve and protect"

I have friends that are Raleigh cops, hell I almost was a cop... but bad apples spoil the bunch

12/6/2006 3:36:55 PM

what rights are being infringed upon with this website?

12/6/2006 3:38:04 PM

that cops are going to use a random comment or picture of me from the internet to determine how they would approach me

so instead of knocking like they have some sense they come with the swat team... leading to yet another shooting


I'm surprised that you think it's ok that they have access to this info

I could have sworn you were arguing about prisoners not being treated like they were at the hilton and that you raised hell about the patriot act

or you like to argue I guess

[Edited on December 6, 2006 at 3:42 PM. Reason : .]

12/6/2006 3:40:54 PM

so how is the website infringing upon anything?

^no not at all. this information is or has been available to anyone. they've just compiled it. i think the responsibility should rest upon the people who commit unneccesary acts of violence or infringe upon rights.

having access to information that has been pubilcly available at some point does not infringe upon rights in itself.

[Edited on December 6, 2006 at 3:44 PM. Reason : .]

12/6/2006 3:43:03 PM

the article makes it sound liek it's a bit more than google


my right to be treated like I am innocent unntil proven guilty for one


like I said, theres a reason why there is gunfire when some thugs kick someones door in during the middle of the night

12/6/2006 3:49:02 PM

what has the website done to infringe on any rights?

my understanding is that they just compile public records (and maybe archive websites?). this is all totally legitimate and is done already. this site just combines it.

ha. just looked at the website. anyone can use it.

Quote :

"Accurint® is the most widely accepted locate-and-research tool available to government, law enforcement and commercial customers. Its proprietary data-linking technology returns search results in seconds to the user’s desktop. Key features include: * People Search… locates neighbors, associates and possible relatives. * Phones Plus... track down phone numbers not typically available to increase your chances of finding your subject. Access over 50,000,000 non-directory assistance records, including cell phone numbers. * People at Work… links more than 132 million individuals to businesses and includes information such as business addresses, phone numbers, and possible dates of employment. * RelavintTM… visually links individuals with businesses, addresses, relatives and vehicles. * Advanced Person Search… helps find individuals when only old or fragmented data is available. LexisNexis® is an industry leader in the responsible use of data and protection of individual privacy. Accurint, using public records and non-public information, provides invaluable fraud detection and identity solutions for the public and private sectors. Accurint helps safeguard citizens and reduces financial losses."

now what is the problem with this?

[Edited on December 6, 2006 at 3:54 PM. Reason : site info]

12/6/2006 3:51:51 PM

Quote :

"t's the fact that they have a site that they can dig up anything someone has put on the internet"

Then don't put it on the fucking internet!

MySpace, Facebook, etc are all public places. Things that you say, post, or do on those sites are all public actions. Just becsause you can fuck around on the internet from the privacy of your own home does not make the internet a private place.

12/6/2006 5:01:09 PM

a picture of me, holding a gun

is NOT grounds to come into my house with a swat team


like I said, what happened to investigating shit

not being lazy and using some compiling website to find info that may or may not be relevant to the person

^^ wral made it sound as if only LEOs had access to the site

12/6/2006 5:37:16 PM

there is a special section for LEO but its just compiling things that are in the public record, often already on the internet.

12/6/2006 5:48:22 PM

That isn't just a gun.

Plus as has been pointed out before they all have their fingers on the trigger.

12/6/2006 5:57:28 PM

theres a picture on this site from a couple users posing like that.

they were just goofing around

those kids probably are too

12/6/2006 5:59:25 PM

Don't document yourself doing illegal things.

12/6/2006 6:12:18 PM

that picture isnt of illegal things

12/6/2006 6:20:35 PM

exactly, nothing illegal about those guns (visibly, but that doesn't constitute a crime)

plenty of people own those "illegal" guns he is holding

it just makes me wonder where the line is... if they read that I'm speeding on TWW is someone gonna come ticket me? What about if I went to a party and got stoned?

are they gonna come kick my door in like I'm some terrorist in Fallujah?

of course I'm not gonna jack someone for their PS3, but I wonder just how far they are gonna pry to try and force a warrant on someones house that may not be doing anything wrong

12/6/2006 6:38:41 PM

lets hope that that someone has to serve a warrant on salisburyboy

12/6/2006 6:48:47 PM

Yeah, I'm going ot go with you're barking up the wrong tree on this one. Blame the fact that these cops decided that a picture of the kids holding guns was reason to call in the swat team, don't blame the fact that there's a sight with information availible. As you said, investigate, analyze the data, don't jump to conclusions. That seems to be the problem here.

That and I think you're over reacting like the report is designed to get you to do. Read the relevant quote again:

Quote :

"Before detectives raided a Wilmington home to make arrests for a recent robbery, investigators had found an online photo of suspect Ryan Mills armed with weapons and posing for the camera. Some observers said they believe the photo might be the reason a SWAT-like team was called in to serve the arrest warrants. During the incident, police shot and killed the other suspect, Mills' friend Peyton Strickland at Strickland's home. Mills was arrested elsewhere."

Who are these "some observers"? Neighbors? Other cops? The parents? Salisburyboy? And what makes them believe that this might have been the reason?

12/6/2006 7:21:35 PM

Quote :

"a picture of me, holding a gun is NOT grounds to come into my house with a swat team"

True, but a picture of you holding a gun

plus charges of assault with a deadly weapon

plus charges of breaking and entering

plus charges of armed robbery

plus a felony charge of assault causing serious injury from several months ago

may be grounds for the cops to use a SWAT team to serve warrants.

12/6/2006 9:25:16 PM

i don't see a problem with this as long as proper oversight is in place so as to keep people from looking at records for no reason

12/6/2006 11:05:18 PM

Quote :

"but when people are pulling someones myspace up to make the determination on whether they need a uniformed officer or jack booted thugs with itchy triger fingers to show up at a residence then something is wrong"

um, did you not see the photos? not to mention, they were suspected of theft, and if they have pictures like that, then they can and should be considered armed and possibly dangerous

12/6/2006 11:06:50 PM

Quote :

"that picture isnt of illegal things "

Underage possession of a handgun(< 21). But that's not the point.

There's nothing wrong with calling for backup. But they still should have knocked on the door like they "had some sense".

Anyway, the kid fucked up. The cops fucked up. I don't really give a shit what happens.

12/6/2006 11:15:44 PM

IF YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG WHY ARE YOU WORRYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12/7/2006 1:55:22 AM

Quote :

"it's the fact that they have a site that they can dig up anything someone has put on the internet thats what bothers me"

Stay off the fucking internet if it bothers you.

12/7/2006 4:31:36 AM

Quote :

"True, but a picture of you holding a gun plus charges of assault with a deadly weapon plus charges of breaking and entering plus charges of armed robbery plus a felony charge of assault causing serious injury from several months ago may be grounds for the cops to use a SWAT team to serve warrants"

you must have missed where I said, "It's not like I go jacking people for their PS3"

nor do I go around doing anything remotely like that

Quote :

"Underage possession of a handgun(< 21). But that's not the point"

no it's not the point, and you're wrong...under 21 can possess a handgun, but can't purchase it

Quote :

"Anyway, the kid fucked up. The cops fucked up. I don't really give a shit what happens."

thats pretty much how I feel, karama came back around for the kid and all that, but it's not a LEOs position to play god, so yeah, they all fucked up

Quote :

"IF YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG WHY ARE YOU WORRYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

like I said before, I'm not doing anything wrong, especially what these kids did

Quote :

"Stay off the fucking internet if it bothers you."

so what happens if the RPD NPO gets a call because there is noise at my house, they decide to look me up on this site of theirs, find a picture of me with a gun(OMG ASSAULT RIFLES) and freak out and send the swat team over to tell me to keep it down via busting my door in and shooting my ass because I have the remote control in my hand?

blind hate... stfu you fucking troll alias

12/7/2006 8:29:32 AM

Did they ever say what game the kids were playing? I wonder if they were playing a shooting game with surround sound turned up extremely high....

12/7/2006 9:05:23 AM

Quote :

"so what happens if the RPD NPO gets a call because there is noise at my house, they decide to look me up on this site of theirs, find a picture of me with a gun(OMG ASSAULT RIFLES) and freak out and send the swat team over to tell me to keep it down via busting my door in and shooting my ass because I have the remote control in my hand? "

Quote :

"True, but a picture of you holding a gun plus charges of assault with a deadly weapon plus charges of breaking and entering plus charges of armed robbery plus a felony charge of assault causing serious injury from several months ago may be grounds for the cops to use a SWAT team to serve warrants"

point<---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->you

or are you purposefully being hysterical now?

12/7/2006 9:54:17 AM

thats what I am saying

slippery slope and all that


where is the line drawn by them?

I know my scenario seems far fetched, but a week ago I would have thought what happened in wilmington would have been far fetched

relying on some google compilating site is no replacement for old fashioned investigating... those kids didn't even have a firearm in the house

12/7/2006 10:05:05 AM

you do understand this is bush's fault

12/7/2006 10:29:34 AM

you think I'm a fan of the patriot act or something?


ummm not really


matter of fact, thats pretty much the reason I'm not a fan of GWB

12/7/2006 10:32:42 AM

What sort of "old fashioned investigating" would have shown that there were no firearms in the house prior to serving the warrants?

Investigating involves compiling information from multiple sources into an overall picture. The internet is simply another place to find information. Information found on the internet is just like information found anywhere else: it should be considered and weighted in the context of all available information. A piece of information by itself is useless. It needs context to give it meaning. In this case, I don't see anything that points to the cops using that one picture as their sole source.

What many people still don't get (including yourself apparently) is that the internet is not a private place. Things you post and say on the internet are public, they may be saved, they may be seen by someone you don't want to see it, and they may very well come back to bite you in the ass. Just ask Anita Flick: http://www.google.com/search?q=anita+flick

Also, they weren't kids. They were adults. And they were certainly old enough to know that beating someone up over a fucking Playstation is not right.

12/7/2006 10:37:20 AM

Quote :

"so what happens if the RPD NPO gets a call because there is noise at my house, they decide to look me up on this site of theirs, find a picture of me with a gun(OMG ASSAULT RIFLES) and freak out and send the swat team over to tell me to keep it down via busting my door in and shooting my ass because I have the remote control in my hand?"

PWHAHWHAWHaHAWHAWHAWHWh

breatheee

PWWHHWAHWHHAHWHAWHHAW

"Sir, we have a report of noise in the area. Should we just carpet bomb them to be safe?"

12/7/2006 11:34:04 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LexisNexis

Lexis Nexis has been in use for decades. When someone is accused of murder and the press immediately knows where they live, what they've been charged with in the past, etc. and they have a mugshot or photo from some random newspaper article about the person that usually comes from Lexis Nexis. I wouldn't be too surprised if LEOs weren't already using it.

Personally, I don't care that they have the information available from Lexis Nexis. I do care when they misuse that information such as the case in Wilmington.

Oh yeah, and since they believe the things that are said on the internet...Skack has no guns at his house. Ignore all those permits I've pulled in the last five years.

12/7/2006 11:54:21 AM

How was information misused in Wilmington?

12/7/2006 11:56:58 AM

Well, there are reasons that I'm leery of this website, but pwrstrkdf's strikes me as kind of silly -- it's not "old fashioned police work?" What the hell does that even mean? Because the new method doesn't involve sitting in an unmarked car, chain-smoking and wolfing down doughnuts on a stakeout, that's what makes it a problem?

12/7/2006 12:06:16 PM

Quote :

"Personally, I don't care that they have the information available from Lexis Nexis. I do care when they misuse that information such as the case in Wilmington. Oh yeah, and since they believe the things that are said on the internet...Skack has no guns at his house. Ignore all those permits I've pulled in the last five years"

exactly... I'd hate for RPD to show up with the swat team because of a picture they found over the net

I don't own any firearms!!!

Quote :

"How was information misused in Wilmington?"

they came over with a swat team and ended up killing a dude because of a picture of him holding a gun that he didn't own, they didn't even find guns in the house

^ if sitting in a car eating doughnuts watching a house, or maybe checking to see if these people actually owned weapons instead of pulling up a website maybe no one would have gotten shot

damn yall, I'm not saying the kid was a saint, he was a fuckup and deserved harsh punishment, but it's not an LEOs place to play judge, jury, god, or executioner... it's to protect and serve the people, not go around wearing BDU's, toting sub guns trying to act like a marine in Iraq

whats gonna happen when they pull some shit like that on someone that hasn't done anything?

use some discretion for gods sake, something police used to do

if the government took everything we said or posted on a message board seriously they'd arrest all of us

12/7/2006 1:02:48 PM