im tired of all these roughing the passer blow to the head stupid crap that limits what a defense can do and how hard a player can go at the QB on the other team

its such a terrible call and hard to make as a judgement call anyways

I know you are trying to protect the face of the team in your QB but still, let em play...its a mans game so let the men play.

might as well let Steve Young come back because he surely wont get hit in the head anymore, hell Peppers cant even make a straight up tackle

/rant

whatever

12/15/2006 9:00:06 PM

Although it points out the obvious, I support this thread.

Football is



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[Edited on December 15, 2006 at 9:08 PM. Reason : ddd]

12/15/2006 9:01:56 PM

the quarterback is in a prone position

he deserves extra protection

durr

12/15/2006 11:11:17 PM

the call in the GB/SEA MNF game was complete bullshit.

BRING BACK JACK TATUM!!

12/15/2006 11:11:56 PM

gotta love the Kiwi non-tackle on Young because of this stupid rule

12/15/2006 11:37:15 PM

^^^^ Football is Black not Argentinian?

12/16/2006 12:34:24 AM

If they don't have special protection, they would get murdered. qbs are vulnerable. It is like a WR jumping high for a ball across the middle....every single second of every single passing down

12/16/2006 5:36:51 AM

[Edited on December 16, 2006 at 8:52 AM. Reason : what's the point.]

12/16/2006 8:30:38 AM

Quote :

"If they don't have special protection, they would get murdered. qbs are vulnerable. It is like a WR jumping high for a ball across the middle....every single second of every single passing down"

the quarterback has 5 sometimes 6 or more people blocking the men coming at him. if the offensive line can't block the defense they need to man up and stand up for their quarterback.

I HATE these rules, it creates the pussy primadonas that are QBs in the league.

[Edited on December 16, 2006 at 9:37 AM. Reason : wrong quote]

12/16/2006 9:36:54 AM

I won't completely agree but I will say that I think that the QB slide rule needs to be eliminated. It basically punishes teams for playing good defense. If you are a QB and run then you PAY. That should be the price payed for all the other rules protecting him. If you want to run then get to a sideline or take the hit.

12/16/2006 9:50:33 AM

I agree with that ^

^^ So because he has an offensive line, he isn't vulnerable?

12/16/2006 10:30:40 AM

^a lot less vulnerable than every one else I'd say. he's only vulnerable if he gets hit which is the offensive line's responsibility to stop.

^^i like the slide rule only because its one that doesn't have a complete double standard, anyone on the field can give themselves up and not get hit. its complete bullshit that 1 player has a different set of rules applied to themselves because of their position

12/16/2006 11:24:27 AM

I understand if you want to say that QB's are football players and should take the hit like real men. I understand that logic. But to say he is less vulnerable than a left tackle or even RB makes no sense at all.

12/16/2006 11:30:32 AM

more vulnerable than a running back? dude they get hit way more often than QB's. Granted they are usually prepared for the impact, but with all the 'cutting' they do, they are much more susceptible to knee and ankle injuries.

Here is a link to a website that has charted major spinal cord injuries amongst high school and college players (some pro) since 1977. The vast majority of players suffering serious injuries are defensive players (primarily DB's). Does that mean we need to abolish tackling (perhaps utilize hip flags) to protect them?

[link]http://www.unc.edu/depts/nccsi/CataFootballData.htm#TABLE%203[/link]

I helped a guy at ECU once with a sports medicine paper, and if I can find the general NFL injuries statisitcs I'll post it. The same trends as above pretty much permeate all football injuries (although if I remember right, RBs and slots are most likely to get ACL's and Ankle problems). Historically, QBs have not been in near the danger of injury as a lot of other postitions.

These fucking rules are there to protect money, not players.





[Edited on December 16, 2006 at 12:00 PM. Reason : ss]

12/16/2006 11:57:08 AM

this thread could use a little Joe Theisman leg breakin action

12/16/2006 12:04:09 PM

a qb is WAY more at risk than a rb, or any other player on the field

they need extra protection, but the officials need to be more consistent in interpreting the rule

12/16/2006 12:05:00 PM

so you are arguing against a shit load of compiled statistics????

in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, QBs didn't have near the rules protecting them as right now, and yet the ratio of those getting hurt remained the same. By far and away, defensive players, RBs, and slot recievers get hurt the most, period. It has always been that way, and always will be.


And if you want to talk about long term, players in nearly every other position (including linemen), have more debilitating issues later in life than QBs.

The NFL's policies are pretty much hypocritical, as they don't give near the consideration (particulalry for linemen) for other players because generally they aren't as 'high profile'.

For example, look at the 5th chart on that link i posted above. 91 Db's have had spinal cord injuries from 1977 to 2005 as opposed to 9 QBs. Looking at all postitons, and extracting the unknowns, you have a total of 202 to 9.


[Edited on December 16, 2006 at 12:26 PM. Reason : dd]

12/16/2006 12:08:39 PM

remind me again. how many QBs are on the field at a time. how many RBs and DBs? do the stats account for that fact

12/17/2006 6:49:41 PM

^ certainly not 10x as many

12/17/2006 6:50:37 PM

what they need to start doing is protecting the linebackers

12/17/2006 6:51:10 PM

can it be open season on Jeremy Shockey?

12/17/2006 6:54:14 PM

Quote :

"more vulnerable than a running back? dude they get hit way more often than QB's. Granted they are usually prepared for the impact, but with all the 'cutting' they do, they are much more susceptible to knee and ankle injuries."

Let me know when you want to watch a league where the average starting QB lasts like 3 years.

I'm not saying they don't need to lighten up on some of the BS flags they are throwing this season, because they certainly do, but it's important to have certain rules to protect the QB.

12/18/2006 1:56:33 AM

Quote :

"the quarterback is in a prone position he deserves extra protection"

??

12/18/2006 2:00:32 AM

QB roughing is bullshit 9/10 of the time. If they aren't going to relax the rules, there at least needs to be a difference between the penalty for taking a legit cheap shot and for a player who couldn't stop his momentum and ran into the guy after the ball was gone.

12/18/2006 7:30:11 AM

should be like a running into the kicker, 5 yards, no automatic first down.

12/18/2006 11:18:26 AM

^I'd accept that. I'd even accept that when paired with the current rule and let the refs judge intent(which would, admittedly, cause a lot of problems unless there were very strict guidelines).

12/18/2006 12:06:39 PM

Quote :

"I HATE these rules, it creates the pussy primadonas that are QBs in the league."

Tell that to Colt McCoy. In all honesty, I do agree though that the rule in the NFL needs to be dropped or better differentiation between a legit hit and a cheap shot.

Quote :

"QB roughing is bullshit 9/10 of the time. If they aren't going to relax the rules, there at least needs to be a difference between the penalty for taking a legit cheap shot and for a player who couldn't stop his momentum and ran into the guy after the ball was gone."

Absoutely correct.

I do think the rule has more of a place in college football where quarterbacks are a lot smaller/weaker and offensive lines are not always as efficient. I remember watching Terry Harvey like 14 years ago at Clemson... he was taking a beating from all the hits and he was puking everywhere. Or like Colt McCoy a few weeks ago. Or like some poor kid at Baylor who got his shit pushed in for sixty minutes and had convulsions or something. Quarterbacks in college are definitely more prone to take a beating without the rule. If a college QB can get his head bashed in for 4 quarters, then so can a pro QB. If the rule is not in college, it shouldn't be in the NFL.

[Edited on December 18, 2006 at 12:26 PM. Reason : ::]

12/18/2006 12:21:33 PM