pretty cool idea
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?page=communityfbIP

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"1. TexasNo. 4 pro | No. 1 college | No. 1 high school: The Lone Star State has 10 DI teams, six Heismans*, six national titles**, three AFL titles***, five Super Bowl wins and 24 NFL Hall of Famers****. 2. CaliforniaNo. 2 pro | No. 3 college | No. 2 high school: The Golden State has seven DI teams, nine Heismans, eight national titles, one NFL title, one AFL title, eight Super Bowl wins and 15 NFL Hall of Famers. 3. FloridaNo. 3 pro | No. 2 college | No. 3 high school: The Sunshine State has seven DI teams, six Heismans, eight national titles, three Super Bowl wins and seven NFL Hall of Famers. 4. PennsylvaniaNo. 1 pro | No. 7 college | No. 6 high school: The Keystone State has three DI teams, two Heismans, four national titles, four NFL titles, five Super Bowl wins and 26 NFL Hall of Famers. 5. OhioNo. 5 pro | No. 4 college | No. 5 high school: The Buckeye State has eight DI teams, seven Heismans, seven national titles, nine NFL titles and 21 NFL Hall of Famers. 6. GeorgiaNo. 9 pro | No. 11 college | No. 4 high school: The Peach State has two DI teams, three Heismans and three national titles. 7. MichiganNo. 13 pro | No. 6 college | No. 10 high school: The Great Lakes State has five DI teams, three Heismans, five national titles, four NFL titles and four NFL Hall of Famers. 8. LouisianaNo. 18 pro | No. 5 college | No. 7 high school: The Pelican State has five DI teams, one Heisman, two national titles and five NFL Hall of Famers. 9. New JerseyNo. 7 pro | No. 23 college | No. 13 high school: The Garden State has one DI team, one Heisman and five NFL Hall of Famers. 10. WisconsinNo. 10 pro | No. 13 college | No. 25 high school: The Badger State has one DI team, two Heismans, nine NFL titles, three Super Bowl wins and eight NFL Hall of Famers. 11. IllinoisNo. 14 pro | No. 22 college | No. 11 high school: The Prairie State has three DI teams, one Heisman, 10 NFL titles, one Super Bowl win and 16 NFL Hall of Famers. 12. AlabamaNo. 23 pro | No. 10 college | No. 9 high school: The Heart of Dixie has four DI teams, two Heismans, eight national titles and four NFL Hall of Famers. 13. VirginiaNo. 22 pro | No. 14 college | No. 8 high school: Old Dominion has two DI teams and seven NFL Hall of Famers. 14. North CarolinaNo. 17 pro | No. 21 college | No. 14 high school: The Tar Heel State has five DI teams and five NFL Hall of Famers. 15. MissouriNo. 8 pro | No. 29 college | No. 28 high school: The Show Me State has one DI team, two Super Bowl wins and four NFL Hall of Famers. 16. New YorkNo. 6 pro | No. 35 college | No. 24 high school: The Empire State has three DI teams, four Heismans, three national titles, four NFL titles, two AFL titles, three Super Bowl wins and nine NFL Hall of Famers. 17. MarylandNo. 11 pro | No. 32 college | No. 16 high school: The Old Line State has two DI teams, two Heismans, one national title, two NFL titles and two Super Bowl wins. 18. TennesseeNo. 24 pro | No. 12 college | No. 18 high school: The Volunteer State has four DI teams, two national titles and three NFL Hall of Famers. 19. OklahomaNo. 28 pro | No. 8 college | No. 17 high school: The Sooner State has three DI teams, five Heismans, seven national titles and five NFL Hall of Famers. 20. IndianaNo. 20 pro | No. 17 college | No. 26 high school: The Hoosier State has four DI teams, seven Heismans, nine national titles and two NFL Hall of Famers. 21. NebraskaNo. 29 pro | No. 9 college | No. 19 high school: The Cornhusker State has one DI team, three Heismans, five national titles and two NFL Hall of Famers. 22. ColoradoNo. 15 pro | No. 26 college | No. 30 high school: The Centennial State has three DI teams, one Heisman, one national title, two Super Bowl wins and one NFL Hall of Famer. 23. WashingtonNo. 21 pro | No. 25 college | No. 21 high school: The Evergreen State has two DI teams, one national title and four NFL Hall of Famers. 24. MinnesotaNo. 19 pro | No. 28 college | No. 31 high school: The North Star State has one DI team, one Heisman, four national titles and seven NFL Hall of Famers. 25. MississippiNo. 34 pro | No. 15 college | No. 15 high school: The Magnolia State has three DI teams, one national title and seven NFL Hall of Famers. 26. IowaNo. 32 pro | No. 16 college | No. 23 high school: The Hawkeye State has two DI teams, one Heisman and one national title. 27. MassachusettsNo. 16 pro | No. 36 college | No. 36 high school: The Bay State has one DI team, one Heisman, three Super Bowl wins and five NFL Hall of Famers. 28. ArizonaNo. 25 pro | No. 30 college | No. 22 high school: The Grand Canyon State has two DI teams. 29. ArkansasNo. 35 pro | No. 19 college | No. 20 high school: The Razorback State has two DI teams, one national title and four NFL Hall of Famers. 30. District of ColumbiaNo. 12 pro | No. 49 college | No. 29 high school: The Nation's Capital has two NFL titles, three Super Bowl wins and two NFL Hall of Famers. 31. West VirginiaNo. 31 pro | No. 20 college | No. 35 high school: The Mountain State has two DI teams and five NFL Hall of Famers. 32. South CarolinaNo. 41 pro | No. 18 college | No. 12 high school: The Palmetto State has two DI teams, one national title and two NFL Hall of Famers. 33. Oregon No. 30 pro | No. 24 college | No. 33 high school: The Beaver State has two DI teams, one Heisman and one NFL Hall of Famer. 34. NevadaNo. 26 pro | No. 37 college | No. 38 high school: The Silver State has two DI teams. 35.HawaiiNo. 27 pro | No. 39 college | No. 32 high school: The Aloha State has one DI team. 36. KentuckyNo. 33 pro | No. 34 college | No. 27 high school: The Bluegrass State has two DI teams and two NFL Hall of Famers. 37. Utah No. 39 pro | No. 31 college | No. 34 high school: The Beehive State has three DI teams, one Heisman, one national title and two NFL Hall of Famers. 38. KansasNo. 40 pro | No. 33 college | No. 37 high school: The Sunflower State has two DI teams and four NFL Hall of Famers. 39. ConnecticutNo. 37 pro | No. 41 college | No. 43 high school: The Constitution State has one DI team, two Heismans and two NFL Hall of Famers. 40. IdahoNo. 49 pro | No. 27 college | No. 42 high school: The Gem State has two DI teams and one NFL Hall of Famer. 41. New MexicoNo. 42 pro | No. 40 college | No. 39 high school: The Land of Enchantment has two DI teams and two NFL Hall of Famers. 42. New HampshireNo. 38 pro | No. 45 college | No. 48 high school: The Granite State has no DI or NFL teams. 43. Rhode IslandNo. 36 pro | No. 48 college | No. 51 high school: The Ocean State has one NFL title. 44. WyomingNo. 46 pro | No. 38 college | No. 44 high school: The Cowboy State has one DI team. 45. DelawareNo. 43 pro | No. 43 college | No. 45 high school: The First State has three NFL Hall of Famers. 46. North DakotaNo. 48 pro | No. 44 college | No. 40 high school: The Peace Garden State has no DI or NFL teams. 47. South DakotaNo. 47 pro | No. 46 college | No. 41 high school: The Mount Rushmore State has one NFL Hall of Famer. 48. MaineNo. 45 pro | No. 47 college | No. 49 high school: The Pine Tree State has no DI or NFL teams. 49. MontanaNo. 50 pro | No. 42 college | No. 46 high school: The Treasure State has no DI or NFL teams. 50. VermontNo. 44 pro | No. 50 college | No. 50 high school: The Green Mountain State has no DI or NFL teams. 51. AlaskaNo. 51 pro | No. 51 college | No. 47 high school: The Last Frontier has no DI or NFL teams."

12/28/2006 3:23:28 AM

Exhaustive and interesting.

12/28/2006 3:32:44 AM

too bad its wrong, there are more than 5 DI programs in NC

[Edited on December 28, 2006 at 9:06 AM. Reason : .]

12/28/2006 9:04:26 AM

please, pan a well-thought-out list by automatically dismissing it without any statistics, reasons, or any actual listed complaint about the data...

everyone knows that's the only way to convince people!

[Edited on December 28, 2006 at 9:07 AM. Reason : omg, you edited it... and they meant D1 Bowl Division... if that's not obvious to you then... eh...]

12/28/2006 9:07:06 AM

It is obvious tim, but its still incorrect

The "Worldwide Sports Leader" should not post incorrect information, its just lazy IMO

12/28/2006 9:18:11 AM

fuck that list, when i think football, i think vermont.

12/28/2006 9:58:07 AM

STOP THE PRESSES

APP STATE CHANGES EVERYTHING

HELL, MOVE FLORIDA DOWN A SPOT AND WE CAN FIT WATAUGA COUNTY IN AT #3

12/28/2006 11:45:53 AM

^dont forget about Independence (high school in Charlotte)...they've won over 100 games in a row (I think it was 108 after they just won ANOTHER state title)...they havent lost since BEFORE Chris Leak played there

12/28/2006 11:49:46 AM

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"too bad its wrong, there are more than 5 DI programs in NC"

They list D-1A. What other D-1A programs are there besides Wake, Duke, UNC, ECU, and State?

12/28/2006 12:08:48 PM

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"They list D-1A. What other D-1A programs are there besides Wake, Duke, UNC, ECU, and State?"

I know this, but saying DI is not the same as saying DI-A, thats all I'm saying

and if you added App, NC would be higher on the list IMO, especially after 2 National Championships

12/28/2006 12:14:11 PM

god damn it we got referred to as the tar heel state again

12/28/2006 12:21:47 PM

How do they determine the pro rank of states who have never had a pro team?

12/28/2006 12:21:50 PM

anyone who adheres to this Bowl Division and Playoff Division or whatever is a douche

12/28/2006 12:22:53 PM

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"we got referred to as the tar heel state again"

YOU DON'T SAY

12/28/2006 12:37:15 PM

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"anyone who adheres to this Bowl Division and Playoff Division or whatever is a douche"

Why, because you're not a fan of a smaller school?

That's just assinine. Those fans are just as good of a fan as you are. Just because they are smaller does not mean they should not be respected as Division I programs

12/28/2006 12:47:07 PM

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"Those fans are just as good of a fan as you are"

No they're not

12/28/2006 1:01:28 PM

they arent really "fans"

12/28/2006 1:03:36 PM

Do those fans drive up to Columbus to see their team play at the Horseshoe against tOSU? No because they are such shitty fans, they dont even PLAY that kind of competition

12/28/2006 1:10:15 PM

Yes they do drive to see their team play. Against different teams yes, but that doesn't make them any less of a fan just because its not OSU playing

12/28/2006 1:12:28 PM

YEAH RIGHT THEY SUCK YOU ARE FULL OF IT

12/28/2006 1:12:54 PM

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"The Tar Heel State"

ahaha

12/28/2006 1:18:03 PM

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"Why, because you're not a fan of a smaller school?"

YOU JUST NOOBED ALL OVER YOURSELF

ps

UMASS AMHERST AND APP STATE ARE SOOO SMALL
omg 25,000 students is such a small school, and 15,000 is fuckin tiny

seriously

"bowl division" and "playoff division" is the dumbest shit ever

12/28/2006 1:30:23 PM

i thought the "dumbest shit ever" was "not having a playoff in 1-A"

12/28/2006 1:41:27 PM

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""bowl division" and "playoff division" is the dumbest shit ever"

I agree the names are dumb, but lesser division football fans are just as big of fans as the Ohio State's of the world

12/28/2006 2:17:39 PM

But they aren't as numerous.

which is why you put them lower on the "Top football states" list.

12/28/2006 2:19:13 PM

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"But they aren't as numerous. which is why you put them lower on the "Top football states" list."

No, they didn't include them at all

For example, Montana is one of the FCS powehouses and has been for years

However, "49. MontanaNo. 50 pro | No. 42 college | No. 46 high school: The Treasure State has no DI or NFL teams." is just simply untrue. Montana is DI, just not I-A. Thats all I was saying

Same thing for New Hampshire. Hell, UNH had the winner of the Payton Award(I-AA Heisman) and the all time NCAA receiving TD's leader, passing Jerry Rice's record.

It's just untrue and lazy reporting. They get paid for this.

[Edited on December 28, 2006 at 2:24 PM. Reason : .]

12/28/2006 2:24:14 PM

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"How do they determine the pro rank of states who have never had a pro team?"

by pro's from that state ? not sure


since they mention hall of famers, I assume so

[Edited on December 28, 2006 at 2:32 PM. Reason : .]

12/28/2006 2:32:10 PM

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"but lesser division football fans are just as big of fans as the Ohio State's of the world"

but lesser division football programs are not as big
therefore, it makes no sense to create terms when "AA" is fucking FINE

of my two schools, uconn has only been a "bowl division" school for like 6 years, and campbell is going to be playing in the fucking pioneer league in `08

so i'm quite comfortable saying "AA" is fine, and "Championship divsion" is fucking stupid

12/28/2006 2:37:53 PM

Texas, Texas, N/A

12/28/2006 2:55:54 PM

As much as I hate to say this, I don't see how North Carolina is in front of South Carolina, just because NC has a pro team. Especially one near the NC/SC border called "Carolina" representing both states.

Or how Iowa is in front of South Carolina just because some guy back in the ice ages won a Heisman. Call me crazy, but I'm not seeing it.

12/28/2006 2:58:08 PM

I would agree with the placement of North Carolina's football position at 14 by just looking at the states above it.

I think Alabama should be higher than 12.

Clearly looking at the list, there is more favoritism towards the NFL rather than College or Highschool.


Jersey is up there because of the Giants and the Jets. Yea, they are called New York Giants and New York Jets but they play in Jersey. Kind of like saying you are from Charlotte but really being anything West of it, say Gastonia.

Also the first collegiate football game was played in Jersey, Rutgers over Princeton. The history is there to put it at 9 but because of Schiano it became trendy to place it that high.

12/28/2006 3:01:34 PM