bigstatemain All American 736 Posts user info edit post |
the mvp never goes to the best player in the league but it should
Kobe is on a different level than any other player right now 1/25/2007 12:58:06 PM |
Ihatespida All American 7520 Posts user info edit post |
OH HERE WE GO AGAIN....DIDN'T YOU TRY TO PULL THIS BULLSHIT LAST YEAR??
FUCKING RAPE SUPPORTER 1/25/2007 12:59:00 PM |
amac884 All American 25609 Posts user info edit post |
tmac 1/25/2007 12:59:41 PM |
bigstatemain All American 736 Posts user info edit post |
kobe haters can either 1)keep hating and keep losing arguments
or
2) jump on the bandwagon 1/25/2007 1:01:41 PM |
amac884 All American 25609 Posts user info edit post |
i am a kobe guy...always have been...i support your claim...i just like to say tmac because we share the same name (and he is sick) 1/25/2007 1:04:03 PM |
AndyMac All American 31922 Posts user info edit post |
NO WAI!
Steve Nash still isn't the best player in the NBA, but he is playing better than he has the last two years, and he won the MVP those two years, SO THEREFORE HE SHOULD BE THE MVP AGAIN!!!
[/espn analyst] 1/25/2007 1:04:31 PM |
amac884 All American 25609 Posts user info edit post |
gilbert needs to get one sometime 1/25/2007 1:06:28 PM |
packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
most VALUABLE player
Not shoot 100 times a game and my team still isn't good player 1/25/2007 1:11:46 PM |
bjwilli2 Veteran 405 Posts user info edit post |
The Lakers are 27-15, despite a supporting cast that could best be described as "mediocre." Bryant also leads the Lakers in assists.
With respects to LeBron, Dirk, Arenas, Wade, and everyone else, Kobe is the best player alive right now.
I agree, Kobe for MVP. 1/25/2007 1:20:57 PM |
dweedle All American 77386 Posts user info edit post |
yea its MVP
not BP 1/25/2007 1:27:35 PM |
Panthro All American 7333 Posts user info edit post |
oh God.
here we go.
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This mother fucker gets more threads made about him, and that doesnt even include the search for MVP.
but who cares. 1/25/2007 1:29:32 PM |
gunzz IS NÚMERO UNO 68205 Posts user info edit post |
Dylan is the best, period 1/25/2007 1:35:07 PM |
Konami All American 10855 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "kobe haters can either
1)keep hating and keep losing arguments watch as he loses to Nash again
or
2) jump on the bandwagon" |
I think I'll stick with #1, thanks.1/25/2007 2:28:46 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Not shoot 100 times a game and my team still isn't good player" |
i love reading comments like this...not only does it show extreme exaggeration of actual stats based on stereotypical hearsay, but he doesnt even take the time to check out the standings and see that the Lakers have overperformed this year
now if the Suns keep winning (they currently have a FIFTEEN GAME WINNING STREAK), then you cant really argue Nash...he leads the league in assists by far, shoots fucking 50% from behind the arc (with over 100 3pters made) and definitely makes his team better...although if they didnt have Amare they wouldnt be able to get past Dallas or San Antonio
I attribute a lot of LA's success this year to Phil Jackson...very underrated coach...lots of people seem to think he wouldnt be worth a shit without either MJ or Shaq/Kobe...he is proving this year that he is a great coach1/25/2007 2:54:14 PM |
Dammit100 All American 17605 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "most VALUABLE player
Not shoot 100 times a game and my team still isn't good player" |
please understand the NBA. He's shooting less this year, averaging more assists this year. AND Odom isn't playing so he's getting lesser quality teammates involved this year.1/25/2007 3:54:43 PM |
packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
Haha okay now I don't follow the NBA even though I believe Nash deserved it the last two years. I guess the people that vote on that kind of shit don't know what they are talking about either.
Right now it should be: 1) Nash 2) Dirk 3) Arenas-talk about doing something with less, other than Jamison and Butler this is a team of misfits. 4) Kobe, there I said it, he belongs in the talks but is still behind the others. 1/25/2007 4:23:12 PM |
WayneGro Suspended 449 Posts user info edit post |
Nash
Arenas 1/26/2007 12:43:47 AM |
PackGuitar All American 6059 Posts user info edit post |
nash 1/26/2007 12:46:21 AM |
bigstatemain All American 736 Posts user info edit post |
kobes team is doing super good without kwame and lamar! he is the X factor against anyone 1/26/2007 12:47:45 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
My 5, My Roos 1/26/2007 12:49:16 AM |
JT3bucky All American 23258 Posts user info edit post |
if Arenas keeps this up
Arenas by far. 1/26/2007 1:04:31 AM |
ssclark Black and Proud 14179 Posts user info edit post |
If Arenas keeps this up
Nash still wins 1/26/2007 1:08:06 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
i dont think either nash OR arenas would win over the other one "by far" 1/26/2007 1:08:57 AM |
JT3bucky All American 23258 Posts user info edit post |
yeaaaaa true
but I see everyone gettin Tired of Nash winnin it and handin it to Arenas, especially if they finish strong 1/26/2007 1:10:14 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
it would be easier if nash hadnt won it last year but if the suns keep rattling off 15 game win streaks linked together by single game losses nash has to get it 1/26/2007 1:15:53 AM |
amac884 All American 25609 Posts user info edit post |
the east should be barred from having any accolades 1/26/2007 1:18:25 AM |
Earl Suspended 1374 Posts user info edit post |
I think this credential should go to Wade. He is the best player in the NBA hands down. Fact. 1/26/2007 1:47:19 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
he's arguably the best player, mainly because he has a title (although he wouldnt have gotten it without Big Aristotle)
but he's missed a good 5-10 games and the Heat have NOT been playing up to expectation (though again they've been playing without Shaq and some without Wade) 1/26/2007 1:54:09 AM |
Dammit100 All American 17605 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "but I see everyone gettin Tired of Nash winnin it and handin it to Arenas, especially if they finish strong" |
thats the same logic for why Malone won an MVP over Jordan. MJ was the best player AGAIN that season, but the media and voters were tired of His Airness winning, so they went with option B.1/26/2007 8:04:18 AM |
AxlBonBach All American 45550 Posts user info edit post |
yea it's arenas or nash for me 1/26/2007 8:13:50 AM |
TypeA Suspended 3327 Posts user info edit post |
Whoa, the NBA is still a league? 1/26/2007 8:57:08 AM |
zebranky All American 1668 Posts user info edit post |
kobe bryant = no pro rb 1/26/2007 9:00:02 AM |
bjwilli2 Veteran 405 Posts user info edit post |
^awesome.
Quote : | "thats the same logic for why Malone won an MVP over Jordan. MJ was the best player AGAIN that season, but the media and voters were tired of His Airness winning, so they went with option B." |
I remember that. Same thing happened in '93. They gave the MVP to Barkley after Jordan had won it the previous two years, even though Jordan was clearly the best player again. Jordan destroyed both Barkley and Malone in the finals those two years.1/26/2007 10:23:17 AM |
PimpinHonda All American 4331 Posts user info edit post |
Arenas should clearly get this. ITS MVP NOT BP. I can't emphasize that enough. Being a Bullets/Wizards fan my whole life, Arenas is the only thing this team has. Jamison is only good because of him and Butler has stepped his game into that Pippen type of role. Arenas makes those around him better.
Not to argue that Nash doesn't do the same thing, but when you have players like Marion and Stoudemire to work with now, the rest of that team is nice too.
I guess what Im trying to say is that if you take Nash away from PHX, they'll still be an okay team, if you take Arenas away from Washington, they'll be pure trash. 1/26/2007 11:17:04 AM |
skankinande All American 28213 Posts user info edit post |
KOBE DID GOOD WITHOUT KWAME? HE MUST GET IT CAUSE KWAME WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THEIR STAR THIS YEAR!!!!!11 1/26/2007 11:27:48 AM |
GregGreeno Veteran 269 Posts user info edit post |
KOBE= guilty of raping our white females! 1/26/2007 12:08:28 PM |
mdbncsu All American 4923 Posts user info edit post |
This is the way I like to look at the MVP. The "Most Valuable Player", to me that means which team would be the worst without their best player.
Take Nash away from the Suns, they still make the playoffs. Take Dirk away from the Mavs, they still make the playoffs. Same with Wade and Duncan.
So now we're down to Arenas and Kobe, KG, and in any other year Iverson. You can hate on Iverson all you want but without him the Sixers would have been in the lottery every single year, put him on the Suns they would have won the championship, put Nash on the Sixer's they might have made the playoffs.
So who's better between Arenas and Kobe? Arenas has been balling it up lately, but Kobe is still the best player in the world, plus he plays in the West.
I'm going with Kobe.
[Edited on January 26, 2007 at 1:24 PM. Reason : KG] 1/26/2007 1:24:05 PM |
SuperDude All American 6922 Posts user info edit post |
I'm a Laker lover, but I can't put it on Kobe yet until the rest of the season pans out.
Arenas is playing at an MVP level, but nobody from the East should get the MVP. Would be a travesty. Wizards aren't even considered one of the top two teams in the East (Miami (when healthy) and Detroit)
You can't be in the middle of the Eastern Conference standings (especially since the East is sooooo bad) and expect to be picked MVP before Nash/Dirk/Kobe/etc... 1/26/2007 1:36:45 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "but nobody from the East should get the MVP." |
yeah that makes a lot of sense
Quote : | "You can't be in the middle of the Eastern Conference standings (especially since the East is sooooo bad) and expect to be picked MVP before Nash/Dirk/Kobe/etc... " |
what if you're the 2nd seed in the East like the Wizards are?1/26/2007 1:38:37 PM |
bjwilli2 Veteran 405 Posts user info edit post |
^^^troo.
To all the people who make the claim of "It's supposed to be Most Valuble Player, not Best Player, so it has to be Nash, durrrrr," I would argue this: Take Nash away from the Suns and replace him with Jason Kidd, Tony Parker, maybe even guys like Mike Bibby or Chris Paul, and they're the exact same team (allowing for time for the team to mesh and all). You could even put an average point guard on a team with Stoudamire, Marion, and the others, and they would still be a really good team, and said average point guard would probably have stats comparable to Nash's. That's not value when a guy is replaceable with other players of the same position. That's called being in the right place at the right time. You ever wonder why Steve Nash always has that smile on his face?
Now, replace, Kobe, Dirk, LeBron, Arenas, or Wade with an average player, and you'd see an enormous dropoff in production of their team.
Arenas should be disqualified from the MVP race simply because of those horrendous gold uniforms of the Wizards. 1/26/2007 1:41:33 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
theres a big difference in saying "replace Kobe with an average player" and "replace Nash with Kidd"
replace Kobe or Arenas with Wade and they SHOULD be 'just as good' 1/26/2007 1:44:01 PM |
SuperDude All American 6922 Posts user info edit post |
2nd in the East is as good as 7th in the West.
We all know that only half the season is done, and that there is still much basketball to be played. No point in arguing this until a good 65-70 games are through. 1/26/2007 1:49:21 PM |
hunterb2003 All American 14423 Posts user info edit post |
Nash will win it again
Kobe should be in the top 3 in voting however 1/26/2007 1:53:50 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
^^so Arenas should have to do like 1.5x as well as other players to get MVP consideration because other teams in his conference suck? doesnt seem very fair to me 1/26/2007 1:56:15 PM |
hunterb2003 All American 14423 Posts user info edit post |
Arenas shouldnt win it over Nash at this point in the season
but Nash will have to sit out with his bad back before to long and then Kobe and Gilbert can move up 1/26/2007 1:57:24 PM |
SuperDude All American 6922 Posts user info edit post |
Who said that the MVP voting is fair?
Most basketball analysts would make conference strength a determining factor in the MVP race.
Right now the Wiz are 8-8 against the West. If they can amass a .550 percentage against the West (not too difficult either), then I would say that there shouldn't be a bias based on conference. 1/26/2007 1:59:51 PM |
bjwilli2 Veteran 405 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "theres a big difference in saying "replace Kobe with an average player" and "replace Nash with Kidd"" |
Just to clarify, this is what I actually said:
Quote : | "You could even put an average point guard on a team with Stoudamire, Marion, and the others, and they would still be a really good team, and said average point guard would probably have stats comparable to Nash's." |
That was my point. Maybe "comparable stats" was too strong a phrase. But certainly an average PG on the Suns team would have very good stats.1/26/2007 2:01:07 PM |
nutsmackr All American 46641 Posts user info edit post |
Gilbert Arenas is having a better season than kobe this year.
Kobe's numbers
FG%: .471 Rebounds: 5.4 Assists: 5.5 Steals: 1.28 TO: 3.38 PPG: 28.3
Arenas' numbers
FG%: .431 Rebounds: 4.5 Assists: 6.2 Steals: 1.98 TO: 3.54 PPG: 29.7
Arenas is dishing the ball more and playing better defense than Kobe and scoring more than Kobe. Arenas also has less to work with than kobe does.1/26/2007 4:17:43 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Arenas also has less to work with than kobe does." |
Jamison + Butler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odom + every other Laker1/26/2007 4:23:06 PM |
nutsmackr All American 46641 Posts user info edit post |
Maybe true, but it isn't like Kobe is playing with retards though. He still has smush parker and luke walton and lets not forget who their coach is.
hibachi 1/26/2007 4:30:04 PM |