Smashing Pumpkins - Zeitgeist
Release Date: July 7th, 2007

Only Billy and Jimmy are in the band now but thats good enough for me (until i here the album probably)

2/7/2007 12:13:51 PM

good

that means it'll be traditional SP stuff.

2/7/2007 12:15:53 PM

damnit Iha.

2/7/2007 12:19:12 PM

Zwan 2.0

2/7/2007 12:21:34 PM

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"(until i here hear the album probably)"

looking forward to this though, i really hope it doesnt suck

2/7/2007 12:32:54 PM

i'll be scheduling a doctor's appointment that morning so i have time to go to the store and buy it before work.

can't
fucking
wait
for
tour
oh
my
fuck

2/7/2007 1:02:50 PM

um, july 7th is a saturday.

is this information correct?

2/7/2007 1:06:08 PM

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"Only Billy and Jimmy are in the band now but thats good enough for me (until i here the album probably) "

its not like Billy let anyone else have any say anyway.

2/7/2007 1:13:03 PM

billy wrote virtually every note of guitar played by the pumpkins, lead and rhythm.
iha is a decent rhythm guitarist but easily replaceable
jimmy is always incredible
darcy is just a crack whore

i think they do need a chick bass player though

[Edited on February 7, 2007 at 1:18 PM. Reason : .]

2/7/2007 1:17:58 PM

http://smashingpumpkins.com/2007tour.html

look at the logo.

you think they finally dropped the "the" from the name like in the good old days?

probably not

i'm just so excited

2/7/2007 1:29:42 PM

7/7/07

how cute

2/7/2007 1:32:07 PM

i wish that concert would come to raleigh

2/7/2007 1:39:30 PM

i hope jimmy doesnt overdose with anyone on this tour.

2/7/2007 1:42:08 PM

SP with no Iha ...

2/7/2007 1:45:14 PM

zeitgeist

2/7/2007 1:51:54 PM

man, i haven't spoken to her in a long time.

2/7/2007 2:03:32 PM

I read this:

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"Smashing Pumpkins - Zeitgeist Release Date: July 7th, 2007"

And was like: AWESOME! The return of my favorite band...what a birthday present!

Then I read:

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"Only Billy and Jimmy are in the band "

And I'm like: Oh. Maybe not.

2/7/2007 2:07:13 PM

it doesn't fucking matter
the album would sound no fucking different if iha and darcy were back in the group
the only difference would be at their shows you'd see an asian dude and a blonde chick up on stage

2/7/2007 2:25:51 PM

whats really odd is that James Iha has been producing a lot with Fountains of Wayne, but for some reason wont get back with billy and jimmy.

If there's any fans of the band America out there, James Iha produced their new cd along with Gerry Beckley (america) and Adam Schlesinger.

it sounds reallllly good

America- Here and Now. check it out.

2/7/2007 3:00:15 PM

it's like Axl and Dizzy without Slash, Duff, Izzy, or Sorum

which means "meh"

[Edited on February 7, 2007 at 3:10 PM. Reason : it will still be good though, because william corgan can do not much wrong]

2/7/2007 3:10:30 PM

If they get auf der mar as the bassist (like in the machina days) I would be satisfied. Im going to buy it the minute the store opens and love it regardless, but I would really like to see auf der mar since daarcy's cracked out ass wont be back and iha is being a douche and not returning.

2/7/2007 4:02:06 PM

i dont think im going to acknowledge this album...it'll dissapoint me too much and then i'll go into a spiral of depression because it changed my view of one of my favorite bands.

2/7/2007 4:05:15 PM

^I originally felt that way about adore when it came out, but ever since 2002ish when I started listening to adore again I no longer feel that way about it and it is one of my favorites

2/7/2007 4:10:28 PM

I just don't see how you can call it the same band after 50% of the members are gone. I know a lot of bands do that, but still.

Even though you say some of these members are replaceable, they defintely had a little bit of say in what goes on, what notes are played, ideas for different parts, etc. So its never really the same.

2/7/2007 4:46:17 PM

James had a little bit of input, but D'arcy had absolutely none. Billy played 90% of the stuff in the studio anyway, so the album won't sound any different than it probably would've with James. It all comes down to songwriting. There are some decent songs on the Zwan album and some real stinkers...I'm excited.

2/7/2007 5:25:01 PM

its hard to short change how important iha was to my love affair with the pumpkins

i loved pretty much every iha song. Without his input, i will probably not like this album

I will give it a shot though

2/7/2007 9:35:43 PM

^ I absolutely agree.

2/7/2007 9:55:32 PM

I love all the Iha songs, too (I have a particular soft spot for "The Boy") but he wasn't exactly pivotal in the creation of the SP sound. "Settle Down" from the Zwan album has all the late-era SP parts and James didn't have a single thing to do with it.

2/8/2007 12:55:25 AM

^the boy is a great song. honestly my fav song with iha is farewell and goodnight, where they all sing except for jimmy.

anyway, I greatly miss iha as a pumpkin, luckily he is in a perfect circle who I like as well.

bottom line though, its the smashing pumpkins, I will buy the album, I will play the shit out of it, I will see the tour, I will love it. even if it is not the same as it was.

2/8/2007 5:08:02 PM

^ last I heard, APC is dead. But I could be wrong, that came out around the time of the 10,000 Days release.

2/8/2007 7:40:00 PM

favorite iha track : "Said Sadly" off of the "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" single

2nd place: the entire "1979" b-side collection

[Edited on March 24, 2007 at 4:00 PM. Reason : whoops]

3/24/2007 4:00:16 PM

Not only do I love "The Boy" and "Believe," but I'm of the opinion that "Set the Ray to Jerry" is one of the most underappreciated SP tracks in the catalog.

3/24/2007 4:14:35 PM

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""Set the Ray to Jerry" is one of the most underappreciated SP tracks in the catalog."

truth

3/24/2007 5:08:26 PM

^undeniable

3/26/2007 8:00:33 PM

set the ray to jerry is fucking amazing
my other fav on 1979 is cherry

3/26/2007 8:29:51 PM

i hope I dont act like a little school girl when I go buy it

3/26/2007 8:41:32 PM

^

3/26/2007 9:13:41 PM

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"Set the Ray to Jerry" is one of the most underappreciated SP tracks in the catalog."

Isn't that because it was in the boxed set? Or could you get it somewhere else?

3/26/2007 9:19:53 PM

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"i hope I dont act like a little school girl when I go buy it"

3/26/2007 9:24:51 PM

that box set was one of the most underrated purchases of 9th grade

3/26/2007 10:35:32 PM

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"Ok, now let’s talk some more about 90’s bands getting “back together”. “Smashing Pumpkins” are putting out a new record and playing some festivals this summer. The only thing is, what makes this any different than that Zwan bullshit we already endured? Same idea… bald vampire lookin whiner/singer dweeb with the 9-foot tall smack addict hippy drummer and a bunch of “other dudes”. The sketchiest part about this whole “reunion” thing though, is how the Pumpkins camp isn’t being too eager to announce who the two “not James Iha and D’arcy” people are. In case ya were wondering, the new bass player happens to be Ginger Reyes (formerly of the Halo Friendlies) and the guitar player is a dude named Jeff Schroeder (he used to be in some dorky Silverlake band called The Lassie Foundation). Siiiiiick dudes, real exciting! They originally tried out Eric Avery, but Billy didn’t think he could “keep up”. By the way, Bill… are you ever gonna admit that you and Courtney Love were banging when she was married to Kurt Cobain, and that this probably had more than just a smidge to do with homeboy checkin’ out early? Or is that one yer takin’ to the grave? C’mon dude… its like OJ still claiming his innocence. We all know the deal. Just fess up so us grunge babies can move on."

4/10/2007 2:16:25 AM

^GTFO with that bulllshit

we know its not "the pumpkins" as they originally were
but that commentary about billy corgan being a factor in kobain's suicide is way off. Does the dude not remember how kobain was, depressed pretty much all the time, not to mention a junkie. What a cheap shot at billy.

4/10/2007 3:21:58 AM

^
He's off base with the Cobain shit, but he's dead on with the Zwan reference. There truly is nothing different between this new set up and Zwan. Both this and Zwan were Corgan, Chamberlain and then some random fucks.

I can't get excited about this album without Iha.

4/10/2007 8:44:53 AM

IMO, this is just semantics. Zwan was never meant to be TSP, it was a separate project. In Corgan's letter in the Chicago Tribune, he says he wants his band back while referring to The Future Embrace as something independent of the Pumpkins.

So it might be a similar line up, but I think he wants that Smashing Pumpkins sound back. Even though it's "Zwan 2.0", I think it will be better than Mary Star of the Sea was...more hard rock than eclectic art rock.

I'll give it a chance, but I'm not going to build my expectations up like I did for both of his previous releases. However I am hoping for more Cherub Rock / Rocket type tracks this time around.

(Oh and the release is the day before my birthday, so it will be a good present for me!)

4/10/2007 2:03:38 PM

http://tinyurl.com/ysz5uq

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"The Smashing Pumpkins have settled on the track list for "Zeitgeist," the first album since 2000. As previously reported, the album is due July 7 via Martha's Music/Reprise. A first single has yet to be specified, nor has the makeup of the band beyond original frontman Billy Corgan and drummer Jimmy Chamberlin. "Is everyone afraid? Has everyone changed?," Corgan sings on opener "Doomsday Clock," a big, loud rocker in the vein of "Geek U.S.A." from "Siamese Dream." The set is frontloaded with songs of this ilk, hearkening back to the grunge era with detuned guitars and pounding drums on tracks such as "Tarantula," "Orchid" and "7 Shades of Black." A more nuanced, less abrasive approach is evident on "Never Lost," which has vibraphone and organ tucked into the mix, while "For God and Country" is a bass-driven tune with shades of Depeche Mode-style synth-rock. The album closes with the mostly synth-powered "Pomp and Circumstance," as Corgan's multi-tracked vocals take on an angelic effect. The band will play its first show in six-and-a-half years May 22 at the Grand Rex Theatre in Paris. European festival appearances will follow through mid-June; the Pumpkins' first U.S. show will be July 7 at the Live Earth concert in East Rutherford, N.J. Here is the track list for "Zeitgeist": "Doomsday Clock" "7 Shades of Black" "Orchid" "That's the Way" "Tarantula" "Starz" "United States" "Never Lost" "Bring the Light" "Come On (Let's Go)" "For God and Country" "Pomp and Circumstance""

4/23/2007 1:24:18 AM

Jimmy Chamberlin is the shit on drums.


[Edited on April 23, 2007 at 1:38 AM. Reason : .]

4/23/2007 1:34:51 AM

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""Is everyone afraid? Has everyone changed?," Corgan sings on opener "Doomsday Clock," a big, loud rocker in the vein of "Geek U.S.A." from "Siamese Dream." The set is frontloaded with songs of this ilk, hearkening back to the grunge era with detuned guitars and pounding drums on tracks such as "Tarantula," "Orchid" and "7 Shades of Black." "

yay brb ima cream my pants!

4/23/2007 1:36:57 AM

When Corgan announced the album, Bodog.com had a bet if BOTH James AND D'arcy would be in the lineup.

I was about to sign up just to take what was basically a free handout.

4/23/2007 2:02:15 AM

I'm still not sold on this whole reunion thing, but in case someone else is, I thought I'd post some info I just got:

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"Featuring two days of endless talent and entertainment, the 2nd Annual Virgin Festival is taking over the grounds of Pimlico this August. With a summer festival this hot, tickets are sure to sell fast, so we're giving you a chance to get yours early with this presale. VIRGIN FESTIVAL Presented by Virgin Mobile featuring THE POLICE • THE SMASHING PUMPKINS • BEASTIE BOYS • 311 and more! August 4 & 5 @ Pimlico Race Course • Baltimore, MD Presale is Wednesday, May 2 from 10am-10pm Password is vstreet There is a 4 ticket limit. Public 2-Day Tickets On Sale Saturday, May 5 at 10am 1-Day Tickets, if available, to go on sale May 19"

5/1/2007 9:08:51 PM

ttt

3/24/2009 6:31:11 PM