would it not be possible to use some type of jammer to jam the signals to these things since they are generally activated by cell phones or radio frequency, hence they would not go off saving about 11,000 injuries. I mean just hook one up on a humvee, and whenever you got in range of one would would be jamming the transmissions to it and it would not be able to go off



[Edited on February 17, 2007 at 11:23 PM. Reason : .]

2/17/2007 11:21:41 PM

If only it were this simple.

2/17/2007 11:22:36 PM

plz explain

2/17/2007 11:23:35 PM

they already implement lots of jamming technologies

2/17/2007 11:25:16 PM

And they thought about this before they started the war. <3

The insurgents simply adapt.

2/17/2007 11:26:47 PM

they were using cell phones at one point. It seems like an easy fix for that would be to take out the cell phone towers

2/17/2007 11:31:17 PM

A lot of the higher end ones that are being sent over from Iran use a motion activated sensor, much like an infared trip wire, in addition to a radio arming sequence. You deploy them and get the fuck out and the IED does the rest, unless you set a long range arming sequence, which is theoretically jammable. Now obviously the self armed and activated units don't work so well on a road that sees a lot of traffic, but if its a road mainly used by American forces, then its the best way to blow the shit outta something and not be in the area.

2/17/2007 11:33:41 PM

you aren't an engineer are you

2/17/2007 11:40:57 PM

No, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

2/17/2007 11:50:57 PM

Here is the fucking section about IED Initiation Methods from the 2005 US Army Field Manual.

Quote :

"Initiation methods (Figure 4-2) include— ?? Time. Time IEDs are designed to function after a preset delay, allowing the enemy to make his escape or to target military forces which have created a pattern. Timers used include igniferous, chemical, mechanical, and electronic. ?? Command. Command-initiated IEDs are a common method of employment and allow the enemy to choose the optimum moment of initiation. They are normally used against targets that are in transit or where a routine pattern has been established. The most common types of command-initiated methods are with command wires or radio-controlled devices, such as LRCTs, cordless telephones, and remote car openers and alarms. ?? Victim. A victim-actuated IED is a means of attacking an individual or group of individuals. There are various types of initiation devices, which include pull or trip, pressure, pressure release, movement-sensitive, light-sensitive, proximity, and electronic switches."

http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fmi3-34-119-excerpt.pdf

Thats from the fucking US Army and that says the three trigger methods are time-delayed fuse, command initiation via wires or wireless signal transmission, and third by pull or trip, pressure, movement, light, or proximity sensor.

2/17/2007 11:58:54 PM

I DON'T THINK THE MILITARY HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THIS YET.

2/18/2007 12:26:41 AM

in 2004 at night we would have operational freezes. all vehicles would be halted as a low flying aircraft came over our area, supposedly blasting radio and cell frequencies in an attempt to get IEDs to explode early (thus the no vehicles moving around)


so kinda like the opposite of what you are talking about.

2/18/2007 1:46:27 AM

clearly, the us army has this problem solved

2/18/2007 1:59:03 AM

yeah we use jammers, and yeah it works, against RC (remote control) ieds, such as the ones activated by cell phones, radios, that type of shit.

however, there is not much you can do against a pressure switch initiated ied, unless however, you happen to see the thin two wires running across the road.

also not much you can do against passive infrared ieds (PIR IED), basically what they use is take the passive infrared out of security lights and shit like that (stuff you can get at any radio shack, or equivalant store). Bascially what the PIR does is it scans the sector that is in front of it, and any movement or increase in heat will set off the IED. There are some pieces of equipment that's attached the the front end of the humvee, called a rhino, however, they are all the same distance, so all the insurgents have to do (and they have already done this) they just run the wire going from the PIR sensor to the explosive device longer than what the rhino is and now the rhino is useless and you're going to get blown up.

sure there's planes and shit that can sometimes (but not its not at all reliable) set off the ied.

the best defense against IEDs is very simple, boots on the ground patrolling the streets regularly, having increased situational awareness (what the fuck is going on around you, if its midday and usually the market is busy, and today it isn't, then get the fuck ready, b/c shit is about to pop off), and also being on the lookout for shit that doesn't belong there (geometric shapes in a non-geometric environment).


and sometimes you can't defeat it, sometimes there's not shit you can do. especially when the insurgents use an existing pothole, dig it deeper, shove the explovises down there, and run a very thin command detonation wire at long distances and as he waits and sees you come down teh road, you're at the mercy of whether or not his shit works.


also, using fishing line as a tripwire across the road, you ain't seeing that shit unless the sun or moon glints off of it, and then you'll be lucky to stop that heavy ass humvee in time.


and yeah, I"ve seen all that shit over here since august.

2/18/2007 11:10:27 AM

don't spill any classified info, fellas.

[Edited on February 18, 2007 at 11:15 AM. Reason : and there might should be some editing done in this thread.]

2/18/2007 11:14:25 AM

roger that, however, nothin what I said violates opsec. its all open source.


now if I got into specifics about the jammers, then yeah lol.

2/18/2007 11:18:24 AM

Quote :

"yeah we use jammers, and yeah it works, against RC (remote control) ieds, such as the ones activated by cell phones, radios, that type of shit. however, there is not much you can do against a pressure switch initiated ied, unless however, you happen to see the thin two wires running across the road. also not much you can do against passive infrared ieds (PIR IED), basically what they use is take the passive infrared out of security lights and shit like that (stuff you can get at any radio shack, or equivalant store). Bascially what the PIR does is it scans the sector that is in front of it, and any movement or increase in heat will set off the IED. There are some pieces of equipment that's attached the the front end of the humvee, called a rhino, however, they are all the same distance, so all the insurgents have to do (and they have already done this) they just run the wire going from the PIR sensor to the explosive device longer than what the rhino is and now the rhino is useless and you're going to get blown up. sure there's planes and shit that can sometimes (but not its not at all reliable) set off the ied. the best defense against IEDs is very simple, boots on the ground patrolling the streets regularly, having increased situational awareness (what the fuck is going on around you, if its midday and usually the market is busy, and today it isn't, then get the fuck ready, b/c shit is about to pop off), and also being on the lookout for shit that doesn't belong there (geometric shapes in a non-geometric environment). and sometimes you can't defeat it, sometimes there's not shit you can do. especially when the insurgents use an existing pothole, dig it deeper, shove the explovises down there, and run a very thin command detonation wire at long distances and as he waits and sees you come down teh road, you're at the mercy of whether or not his shit works. also, using fishing line as a tripwire across the road, you ain't seeing that shit unless the sun or moon glints off of it, and then you'll be lucky to stop that heavy ass humvee in time. and yeah, I"ve seen all that shit over here since august."

2/18/2007 11:18:29 AM

looks like someone got pwnt here

2/18/2007 11:33:12 AM

nah, if it had been an issue, he'd already be suspended, and a PM would be enroute to the Lounge mod to delete the thread.

that said, though, you're pretty much the worst form of shithead faggot to post information that you believe to be a security risk--information that could lead to the deaths of our troops.

2/18/2007 11:41:47 AM

you know what, on second thought, maybe suspension is in order.

2/18/2007 11:42:35 AM

you know i was talking about penis right?

2/18/2007 11:49:50 AM

Quote :

"that are being sent over from Iran"

now if thats not propoganda, i don't know what is....

the other day on the news they had a picture of Iran's President and the head line "Danger ahead?" and i thought to myself....they should take his picture down and put Bush's. He's the only one causing serious trouble in the world these days, outside of his own borders.

[Edited on February 18, 2007 at 5:28 PM. Reason : fda]

2/18/2007 5:27:15 PM

Duke - I haven't read anything in this thread that I haven't already read in The Economist or Jane's or GlobalSecurity.org

And if Iraqi insurgents are readily reading TheWolfWeb - then god help us all.

2/18/2007 6:23:35 PM

so why isn't raiden suspended

2/18/2007 8:00:37 PM

they had a thing on CNN where it talked about troops using silly string to detect trip wires.... turns out its light enough to hang on the wires/fishing line without setting them off

2/18/2007 8:16:47 PM

good thing the terrorists haven't picked up on the military channel yet

2/18/2007 9:08:07 PM

why the fuck dont we just nuke them and iran and let isreal beat the hell out of palestine. that could give us about 5 years of relative peace in the region i'm guessing

2/18/2007 9:13:33 PM

Quote :

"now if thats not propoganda, i don't know what is...."

Many of the best ones are coming over from Iran. They are made in Iran. I didn't say they were sent over by the Iranian government. Whether the insurgents are smuggling them in or the Iranian Pres. has truck dropping them off at the border, I don't know and didn't fucking say.

[Edited on February 18, 2007 at 9:15 PM. Reason : ]

2/18/2007 9:14:19 PM

actually, even that is questionable. jane's points out that a basic shop could construct even the more deadly variety of ied's so while they probably came from iran at some point it is very possible or even likely that they are made in iraq now. i have more detailed post in SB on this subject

2/18/2007 9:20:13 PM

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"so why isn't raiden suspended"

I would like to know why you would think I'm worthy of being suspended. Everything I've stated about IED's and their triggers in this thread is unclassified and in the open.


refer to the links found in a google search on IED http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=IED&btnG=Search and you will find the information that I have given, only difference is I gave it as I have seen it, not as a report on a website, and certainly not with pictures or instructions on how to make them or employing them. Nor have I talked about US tactics (other than the widely known fact that the US uses jammers) as it relates to IEDs, troop movements, TTPs of US or of insurgents.


however, if I have stated something that you can't find on google (other than something from my own personal perspective) as it relates to IEDs; please do let me know.

2/19/2007 5:02:38 AM

Quote :

"you know i was talking about penis right?"

yes, so was i. check his status.

2/19/2007 10:59:20 AM

Its pretty obvious that everying raiden said was unclassified and in the open

you're an insecure little man if you think that quoting that kind of shit would "put the troops in danger"

its the "everything is classified" knee-jerk reflex like yours that is practiced by the administration and has gotten us into such a shitty situation to start with.

which is why it got quoted. because its BS that you would have wanted it to be redacted.

[Edited on February 19, 2007 at 1:24 PM. Reason : s]

2/19/2007 1:24:05 PM

Quote :

"they should take his picture down and put Bush's. He's the only one causing serious trouble in the world these days, outside of his own borders"

jesus here we go again...

yeah Bush sucks and we shouldn't be in Iraq, thats probably true

... but this blind eye you turn towards what some muslims have done, will do, want to do is disgusting

2/19/2007 2:31:25 PM

Quote :

"why the fuck dont we just nuke them and iran and let isreal beat the hell out of palestine. that could give us about 5 years of relative peace in the region i'm guessing "

because it's not like there are hundreds of millions of other muslims that would get upset about this or anything. . .

2/19/2007 2:38:48 PM

Quote :

"why the fuck dont we just nuke them and iran and let isreal beat the hell out of palestine. that could give us about 5 years of relative peace in the region i'm guessing"

fuck that...nuke Israel and the whole damn region. This way no one gets it.

Quote :

"jesus here we go again... yeah Bush sucks and we shouldn't be in Iraq, thats probably true ... but this blind eye you turn towards what some muslims have done, will do, want to do is disgusting"

here we go again...sigh. I am not an arab and i don't care for arabs. As far as i'm conserned let them tear each other apart. This is apart from the fact that bush is a moron and is a danger to the international community. Remove Israel and the Arabs and Bush as a president. And you'll have world peace. apart from Africa. but then again..

"You are an African, you are not even a nigger" - Hotel Rowanda.

[Edited on February 19, 2007 at 10:23 PM. Reason : fda]

2/19/2007 10:22:09 PM

why was penis suspended?

2/20/2007 2:01:02 AM

because he quoted something that was deemed not bad but he made the mod mad who was already oversensitive.

basically the mod screwed up and got mad and took it out on a user

2/20/2007 8:14:50 AM

no

i didn't screw anything up

i warned people not to divulge sensitive info, and to doublecheck and edit if they weren't sure if it was ok.


9======D thought it would be cool to copy/paste something he thought was sensitive info so it couldn't be edited out. while it wasn't anything important, his intent was malicious and he knowingly did something that could get people killed. fuck him.

[Edited on February 20, 2007 at 9:49 AM. Reason : i think i'm a pretty laissez-faire mod, but that's something i take seriously.]

2/20/2007 9:48:38 AM

aren't you high and mighty on people's intents. Also, if the terrorists read tdub then we have bigger problems then classified information about IEDs being leaked.


besides, the insurgents are the ones making the ieds, so I'm pretty sure this information isn't new to them.

In essence, no one will get killed because of this thread.

2/20/2007 9:50:53 AM

he was being a dick, but anyone with basic reading skills could figure out that it wasn't sensitive.

also, anyone with basic engineering or the ability to think could have figured out what was posted.

also terrorists watching the military probably knew.


we need a terrorist to confirm/deny this thread, and since they apparently read they should post too.

damn idlers.

2/20/2007 10:05:12 AM

this thread spiraled out of control, apparently.

2/20/2007 10:19:45 AM

Fuck him. I have no sympathy. Not because he posted "sensitive" info. You fuck with the mods at your own risk. This is like the neighbor whose stupid kids poke a stick at your pitbull all the time and then want you arrested because your dog bites the kid.

2/20/2007 10:30:58 AM

its the "everything is classified" knee-jerk reflex

furthermore, theduke isn't a mod in the lounge.

[Edited on February 20, 2007 at 10:44 AM. Reason : s]

2/20/2007 10:42:52 AM

8=======D
Suspended Terminated
587 Posts
user info
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lets just be done with it.

fools should know better than to cut and paste readily-available information of a generic sort.

5/3/2007 6:20:36 PM

When it comes to shit like this, if you don't have a need to know...you just don't. Sorry. If you wanna know, sign up and come play in the sandbox.

5/3/2007 7:23:45 PM

stfu plz ^

5/3/2007 7:41:16 PM

Quote :

"I DON'T THINK THE MILITARY HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THIS YET."

5/3/2007 7:48:58 PM

Quote :

"When it comes to shit like this, if you don't have a need to know...you just don't. Sorry. If you wanna know, sign up and come play in the sandbox."

dude, just shut up. dont make military guys look stupid.

and i dont care how many Canadian Geese you've shot.

5/3/2007 7:58:42 PM

"Tell ya what...I certainly wouldn't wanna find out the hard way whether that shit is classified or not"

- Marine friend who lurks on TWW on occasion, with regards to some of the things said in this thread

5/3/2007 8:02:46 PM

i should turn that military guy in for posting that stuff

i mean if 8=======D is gonna be suspended while the actual original poster gets a free pass on here, then thats the least i could do

5/3/2007 10:37:06 PM