So they are either going to turn it into office buildings or a park basically.

I hope everybody will support it as becoming a park. It will improve NCSU dramatically and give students something decent to do in Raleigh. They are probably gonna attach it onto Pullen Park and part of NCSU. Either it's going to be a new part of NCSU or a bunch of shitty offices.

Remember NCSU is ranked as one of the ugliest campuses in america right now, which Dix Park can improve.

linky:

http://www.newsobserver.com/559/story/553124.html

3/19/2007 5:19:33 PM

I mean, having a park is cool and all

but I'm kinda torn on this

the city could make some profit and releive some tax burden on the taxpayers also (not that they will)


and it's not like people are flocking to any of the other parks around here

3/19/2007 5:21:09 PM

if i'm not mistaken, it's state, not city land.

3/19/2007 5:26:31 PM

but a park like this could give something raleigh to be proud of. we don't have much right now.

in 20 years, when you say you went to NC Sate, it will make you look a hell of alot better because this can improve NCSU's image and quality.

also a great quote from that article:

In 100 years, not one of our grandchildren will look at us and say, "I'm sure glad you decided to sell off what used to be 306 acres of open space. Who needs all those trees?"

Think of the kids who would grow up in an increasingly crappy Raleigh in the future. Is it better to get $50 from a tax break or do something people will remember?

3/19/2007 5:27:36 PM

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=461442

3/19/2007 5:32:39 PM

http://www.dix306.org/

Quote :

"Our goal is to save all 306 acres of the Dorothea Dix Campus for a World Class Destination Park because it is the right thing to do for our children, our economic stability, and to preserve our quality of life"

Quote :

"Advantages of our Park Plan Conservation Respects the “sense of place” described in the Historic Register Preserves all the open space and creates a true Destination Park Preserves the historical structures for future generations Has strong connections to the surrounding areas Economic Impact. A world class destination park will. Increase tourism to our capital city A conservative estimate of a 10% increase will yield $390 million dollars per year generating substantial additional hotel and meal taxes. Encourages private development around the perimeter of the park on State as well as private property: There are over 5200 properties on 3700 acres within 10 blocks of the park Will create an estimated $2.1 billion dollar gain in real estate value Will generate $22 million annually in additional property taxes. Will encourage some large and many small developments Developments will come to fruition at different times so they will compliment rather than compete with current downtown economic revitalization efforts. Financing Options Details the use of tax increment financing Fully compatible with other financing options Enumerates many additional funding opportunities that will become available to a park project of this scale Takes advantage of both public and private funds. Will inspire philanthropic generosity Will lead to substantial endowments Will create both one-time and ongoing revenue streams. Additionally Provides for the DHHS employees to use historic buildings for up to 20 years Allows neighboring landowners to make their own development decisions Encourages landowners to develop their properties to create a synergy that adds value to their property as it builds the reputation of the park. Includes a complete implementation plan identifying both the stakeholders and actions they must take Recommends an open decision making and governing process that actively includes all the stakeholders. "

[Edited on March 19, 2007 at 6:04 PM. Reason : ]

3/19/2007 6:02:03 PM

I don't see your logic on it becoming part of NCSU...unless State buys it...

and incase you hadn't noticed Raleigh has a shit ton of really nice parks that students can go to...

3/19/2007 6:11:53 PM

one of the nicknames for raleigh is "the park with a city in it"


yeah, we don't have any parks.


but yeah, leaving a good amount of trees would be good.

3/19/2007 6:23:10 PM

There is plenty of space downtown for condos and high end homes. People are constanltly renovating and turning over properties there for a profit. This land is a one time oppertunity to preserve a huge green space that will be convenient to all of Raleigh. I say keep the park and let the development spread around it as it is already doing.

This is not some tree hugger/pork barrel project that will cost the city a ton of money, the State already owns the land. If people would like to develop condos around it they can purchase a city block and do so just as developers all along glenwood and boylan have.

3/19/2007 7:18:37 PM

shitty offices?

they have plans for a lot more than that. I hope they develop all but 20 or so acres.

3/19/2007 8:51:43 PM

I love how people say a park is good for our children. I would be inclined to agree except for the fact that Dix is across the street from a prison.

3/19/2007 9:44:16 PM

PEOPLE ESCAPE ALL THE TIME.

(and i doubt many of these same people would advise taking children to a park without supervision)

3/19/2007 9:46:19 PM

2 words:

Public Gallows

we have the technology. lets make the dream a reality.

3/19/2007 9:47:29 PM

Quote :

"There is plenty of space downtown for condos and high end homes. People are constanltly renovating and turning over properties there for a profit. This land is a one time oppertunity to preserve a huge green space that will be convenient to all of Raleigh. I say keep the park and let the development spread around it as it is already doing."

Agree 100%. This is more about what Raleigh will be like 100 years from now than it is Raleigh today. At slightly more than 1/3 the size, it will be Raleigh's version of Central Park in NYC.

3/19/2007 10:08:37 PM

how cool would it be if the land was indeed reserved as a park, and then it becomes our version of "central park" in like 20 years? that'd be awesome.

i guess i should've read the thread before posting.

[Edited on March 19, 2007 at 11:48 PM. Reason : ]

3/19/2007 11:48:20 PM

This land could have generated a ton of tax revenue years ago.......it could generate exponentially more now.

The fact is that setting it aside for all to enjoy has driven up the quality of life for all residents of the city and at the same time positvely affected property values surrounding it. That tax revenue goes in to the coffers of NYC year after year.

Quote :

"History by Elizabeth Blackmar and Roy Rosenzweig (please see full credit at the end of this section) Central Park was the first landscaped public park in the United States. Advocates of creating the park--primarily wealthy merchants and landowners--admired the public grounds of London and Paris and urged that New York needed a comparable facility to establish its international reputation. A public park, they argued, would offer their own families an attractive setting for carriage rides and provide working-class New Yorkers with a healthy alternative to the saloon. After three years of debate over the park site and cost, in 1853 the state legislature authorized the City of New York to use the power of eminent domain to acquire more than 700 acres of land in the center of Manhattan."

Quote :

"No single individual either conceived or carried through the massive public project that, in the end, cost more than $10 million (three times the city's total budget in 1850) and took more than eight hundred acres out of the most expensive and intensely competitive real estate market in the United States."

Imagine if they had bitched out over ten million dollars back then.........a section of that land just large enough for a hotel would go for over ten million today. They sucked it up then, and as a result generation after generation have enjoyed visiting this landmark.

3/20/2007 12:44:13 AM

Quote :

"the city could make some profit and releive some tax burden on the taxpayers also (not that they will)"

Ha. I don't think they would give any relief. They would just look at it as more money they can now spend. Heck, they would probably raise the tax burden on the taxpayers and justify it by saying we need to pay for the infrastructure that will go around the surrounding office park.

Quote :

"a section of that land just large enough for a hotel would go for over ten million today."

Yeah, but adjusted for inflation back to 1850... that'd be like $5

[Edited on March 20, 2007 at 6:32 AM. Reason : -]

3/20/2007 6:29:43 AM

that would be a big park

3/20/2007 7:23:27 AM

^For a city with like 1 1/2 tall buildings.

3/20/2007 7:27:59 AM

where is this park again?

3/20/2007 7:42:34 AM

RALEIGH IS NOT, AND NEVER WILL BE WHAT NEW YORK CITY IS. WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH GOD DAMNED TREES AND PARKS FILLED UP BY WHITE MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE WHO LET THEIR DOGS RUN AROUND AND SHIT ON EVERYTHING AND DONT CLEAN IT UP.

3/20/2007 8:39:38 AM

I vote NCSU buy dix hill simply for sweet halloween parties. It would be scary as hell.

3/20/2007 8:50:11 AM

BTW
centennial campus was part of this land.
Jim Hunt gave it to the university on the last day of his 1st term.

3/20/2007 9:25:11 AM

http://www.wral.com/dix-deal-gets-final-signoff/14624026/


It's happening!

5/5/2015 11:01:14 AM

Can we get a busch gardens? LOL

5/6/2015 2:26:37 AM

I can't decide if I should name my nearby gay bar Dicks Park or Dick Spark.

5/8/2015 12:36:25 AM

Quote :

"“This is the next chapter, and this is going to be just as much work – if not more – as it was getting to this point,” said McFarlane, who has shepherded the deal through its last convoluted turns. “I’ve had the most amazing list of things come across my desk, everything from a race car track to casino, to Ultimate Frisbee, to all kinds of things,” she said. “It really is going to be a matter of what does everyone want to see, and the sky is the limit.” Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article20302068.html#storylink=cpy"

Impossible shit I want to see: I know that Raleigh could never support an MLB team but how cool would a stadium on top of the hill with the "skyline" in the background be?

Doable: I think a disc golf course is totally doable (probably what the mayor meant by "ultimate frisbee"). I think a ropes course would be cool. An observation tower. Maybe a small performing arts venue. Some nice gardens.

Doable but unlikely: I'd love an actual big indoor botanical garden. A small zoo would be badass like an aviary / autobon type of thing. Duke has Lemurs and shit right? A public skatepark would be a hit for younger people.


[Edited on May 8, 2015 at 5:28 PM. Reason : IDEAS]

5/8/2015 5:26:27 PM

r/c car track.

5/8/2015 9:54:00 PM

Lumbee Indian Casino [/thread]

5/9/2015 9:06:13 AM

Quote :

"Doable: I think a disc golf course is totally doable (probably what the mayor meant by "ultimate frisbee"). I think a ropes course would be cool. An observation tower. Maybe a small performing arts venue. Some nice gardens. "

There's already a disc gold course on Centennial Campus less than a mile away.

5/9/2015 12:35:11 PM

I heard that centennial course was a nightmare for losing discs if you aren't better than decent

5/9/2015 9:07:01 PM

They changed it a few years back, and the new first hole that they created is a bitch.

That, and the 6th or 7th hole that has the woods on the left. that one blows as well.


We always go to Centennial if we dont have much time to waste. Kentwood is a lot more fun. A course on Dix would be amaaaazing...

5/10/2015 12:18:12 AM

unsuspend waffleninja

5/10/2015 8:08:41 PM

Centennial isn't that great. The possibilities for a course at Dix are endless. They could seriously build something world class / USPDA Championship quality.

5/11/2015 10:18:19 AM