Hand-checking: It is illegal. It really hurts the game. PLEASE call it.



Charging: Please make people establish position before calling it, as there is way to much sprinting out and flopping. Also consider a semi-circle under the rim like the NBA has.

3/21/2007 9:38:34 AM

anticipation whistles.....stop that

3/21/2007 9:39:56 AM

hand checking doesn't hurt the game. it's a faggity foul to call. even more faggity to bitch about it.

"owie, reffie! that guy just slapped my forearm."
"shut it, pussy."
"ooooh! i'm telling!"

3/21/2007 9:47:57 AM

It's fine to place your fingertips on an opponent, that's legal, but when the ballhandler starts to make a move forward and then the defenders fingertips turn into the entire palm of his hand resisting the ball handler's movement forward, that's a foul (see Greg Paulus and entire Duke roster since 1990). I'd like to see them draw the restricted area in the paint, and Paulus's flop against VCU (of all teams) should have been a T as in other sports

[Edited on March 21, 2007 at 9:51 AM. Reason : .]

3/21/2007 9:50:47 AM

They also need to start calling more intentional fouls. There is nothing wrong with fouls at the end of the game, but when they become flagrant/too hard there is a problem. Greg Oden in the Xavier game is just the latest example of this. Xavier absolutely should have gotten 2 shots and the ball. If they start calling this more often, teams will be more careful about being so crazy with the fouls.

3/21/2007 10:01:19 AM

game clock starting at end of halves.

3/21/2007 10:06:10 AM

the semi circle "no charge zone" under the basket.

3/21/2007 10:13:50 AM

move the 3 point line back

at least to international length (20.5 feet), preferably further

3/21/2007 10:29:13 AM

i want them to stop calling fouls when an offensive player initiates contact with a defender posting with his arms straight up.

and call the damn charge when it's a charge (see: mcsob's dunk on gavin).

3/21/2007 10:32:46 AM

i agree about the charge circle

hand checking already has rules, right? like you can touch them with either hand but not both at once? i dont have a problem with that

also they need to do like the Pistons did and implement the Jordan rules Psycho T rules

[Edited on March 21, 2007 at 10:33 AM. Reason : .]

3/21/2007 10:33:11 AM

that xavier guy flopped on greg oden

3/21/2007 11:24:12 AM

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"hand checking doesn't hurt the game. it's a faggity foul to call. even more faggity to bitch about it."

i especially hate it when they call it out on the perimeter

3/21/2007 11:53:35 AM

It's an excuse for being lazy and it helps unathletic players stay with guys who should go right around them. It's a rule. Not every sport should be football.

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"hand checking already has rules, right?"

Of course. I played high school and was very undersized and I used to always put by forearm on the back of anyone who was trying to post me up or back me down, but never extended it and I never got called for it. If I put my palms on the guy as he was trying to drive by me, I would have got called for it..

[Edited on March 21, 2007 at 11:58 AM. Reason : x]

3/21/2007 11:57:07 AM

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"i want them to stop calling fouls when an offensive player initiates contact with a defender posting with his arms straight up."

absolutely the worst part of basketball right there. i cannot stand it.

3/21/2007 11:58:45 AM

"and call the damn charge when it's a charge (see: mcsob's dunk on gavin)."

ok, that was a flop. who cares anyways, state won

3/21/2007 12:06:04 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3QaT8WpgBw

wtf. That was a flop? Are you kidding? He took a knee to the chest. Paulus falling down when the VCU guy game charging in was a flop. Gavin didn't flop at all. He didn't fall until he did take the blow to the chest..

3/21/2007 12:08:50 PM

^ thank you!

3/21/2007 12:59:05 PM

Actually, any hand contact with the dribbler in the backcourt is a FOUL. It is understandable to let occassional minor contact go now and then, but not habitual control of the offensive player. A forearm on a guy backing in is OK. Anyone that thinks hand-checking doesn't matter has no idea how easy it is for a player with any strength whatsoever to manhandle a ball-handler without getting called for it. I really don't understand how the NCAA keeps making battling in the post a point of emphasis while ignoring the backcourt.

Nym410 is on point. It helps less athletic players (and teams with favorable officiating) "defend".

3/21/2007 1:52:41 PM

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"that xavier guy flopped on got tackled by greg oden"

3/21/2007 2:00:57 PM

definitely a flop, shane battier style. fall at the first hint of contact. it was a good no call.

(not the oden foul, the mcroberts/grant play. oden pushed that guy out)

[Edited on March 21, 2007 at 2:02 PM. Reason : .]

3/21/2007 2:02:10 PM

he might as well have punted the guy into the crowd

3/21/2007 2:14:37 PM

all this is great, but the biggest officiating problem is lack of consistency. So many refs will blow their whistle on something that only gets called when they feel like calling it. A blatent charge may be let go as a no call, where later somehow a lesser one is called. It seems lots of the time officials are trying to make it an even amount of calls so no one can complain about unfair officials.

that and players have to spend ~5-10 minutes of the game learning how much a ref is gonna call/let them get away with

3/21/2007 2:24:53 PM

^I agree but the game is so fast, athletes are so well maintained, that it is almost impossible to pick up everything that happens. I had a guy tell me once that, technically, a foul could be called on any contact. I don't agree with that if you want consistency...it would totally change the game though.

3/21/2007 2:32:55 PM

yeah, refs are human. Sometimes something might look worse than it was, other times it may be the opposite. Kinda like the whole Duke Vs Hansbeak. Some ppl thought it was blatant, others thought it was obviously an accident.

3/21/2007 2:38:23 PM

Pretty sure hand-checking is legal only if 1) its only one hand and 2) it doesn't impede the players movement. Atleast on the perimeter this is what I've heard...

On a sorta related note, it seems whenever a team presses us and gets a turnover its because our player gets double teamed and gang raped in the backcourt or around the perimeter. Just because a player picks up his dribble doesn't mean you can stand right beside him and then lean over him effectively push over. I remember numerous times when two players would chest one of our guys to the ground and then get a traveling call....

/rantoff

3/21/2007 2:46:28 PM

[insert pic of Night at the Roxbury dancing]

3/21/2007 2:47:26 PM

^^thats a good point. That actually happened a bunch yesterday. Nothing wrong with a strong double team but you cant bump the fuck out of them, especially when...this...

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"i want them to stop calling fouls when an offensive player initiates contact with a defender posting with his arms straight up.""

I completely agree with this. When they call fouls like that they're basically saying you cant play defense so back the fuck up and let the guy score whenever he touches it. Contact INITIATED by the offensive player should never be called as a defensive foul. I dont care if they call something on the offensive player or not though. McCauley was the worst victim of this all season, especially against UNC.



And about the hand checking....that shit has really gotten out of hand. Miller from UNC wouldnt be able to guard anyone in the ACC without doing it. Paulus is the same way. You cant let some slow ass white dudes get out and play ball like that because they're on good teams. you dont see Atsur out there hand checking his man and he still manages to force his share of turnovers...and against quicker players a lot also.

It IS in the rulebook, they shold call it.

3/21/2007 3:27:04 PM

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"^^thats a good point. That actually happened a bunch yesterday. Nothing wrong with a strong double team but you cant bump the fuck out of them, especially when...this..."

I've noticed it for a couple years now, that whenever a player is getting double teamed, they let go a shit ton more contact than they would if it were just normal defense.

It really fucked us up yesterday that they weren't being fair when the double teams were applied.

3/21/2007 3:33:13 PM

Moving screens,
people shouldnt be allowed to set football blocks in basketball, feet should be set

3/21/2007 10:24:58 PM

Calling a travel, or foul on UNC.

3/21/2007 11:04:08 PM

they don't call fouls on carolina?

ever?

not once?

that is ridiculious

3/22/2007 12:15:12 AM

^I'm glad you at least didn't include travel in your statement.

But to be serious, I would like the 3 second lane violation to be monitored more often, as well as the illegal picks.

[Edited on March 22, 2007 at 12:53 AM. Reason : .]

3/22/2007 12:50:04 AM

oh, and they need to be more aware of people carrying the ball. i thought the refs did better this year about it, but honestly a lot of college and especially pro seems to be "handles" where the player carries the ball several times on one drive

3/22/2007 12:57:58 AM

stop calling traveling when it doesnt give and advantage. everytime somebody catches and fakes its a travel

3/22/2007 1:00:58 AM

I agree with the offensive player initiating contact with the defense. Either don't call it or call it on the guy who initiated contact. I'm sick of seeing offensive players throw themselves into the defender, no intention whatsoever on making a shot or even a "basketball move," just doing it to get a foul call knowing the pansy-ass ref is gonna call it.

3/22/2007 1:02:55 AM

o, they NEVER call 3 seconds

watch carefully, it happens a lot

3/22/2007 1:29:20 AM

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"Hand-checking: It is illegal. It really hurts the game. PLEASE call it."

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"they NEVER call 3 seconds"

Two things they called in highschool that I hated, slowed the game down. However, duke does #1 to the point it impedes the offensive players progress; hence, it should be a foul.


What i think needs to be looked at is intentional/flagarent fouls. Sometimes there called for a typical foul, but sometimes there not called for a more serious foul (like when oden just shoved/tackled the guy because he realized he didn't get the rebound and had to foul).

Also, a review of charges is needed, I've seen a lot where the defenders feet are moving or the contact is under the baseket. I've also seen a lot where the offensive player used his arm to throw the defender off and a block has been called.

PS. officiating is fucking hard, I use to do it. If you call everything people/fans/players get pissed, if you don't call things enough the team losing gets pissed. From what I've seen fouls occur almost every play the hard part is deciding which ones are worthy of a call. Refs are silent at the end because they know if a call changes the game people are bitter, not calling anything seems more fair.

[Edited on March 22, 2007 at 2:19 AM. Reason : .]

3/22/2007 2:10:21 AM

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"Moving screens, people shouldnt be allowed to set football blocks in basketball, feet should be set"

Excellent addition. It wasn't as bad this year as in the Redick years, but Dook's entire offense is built around the moving screen. Many other teams are using them a good bit as well, but none to the extent of Dook.

3/22/2007 7:51:58 AM