this is just disgusting
http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w10.html

3/29/2007 7:23:58 PM

if what the link says is completely true...

the police state is here.

and it is here to stay.

3/29/2007 7:45:04 PM

i just read that again, and went through the graphic...

and i am completely shocked, disgusted, baffled, and sickened.

don't know what to say anymore.

3/29/2007 7:58:38 PM

and i for one welcome our new overlords.

3/29/2007 7:59:33 PM

everyone involved in that cover-up should rot or be executed


and some of you people think only the police should have firearms

3/29/2007 8:11:21 PM

please tell me how exactly a firearm would have helped him

3/29/2007 8:15:14 PM

It couldn't have hurt considering the outcome


That article is pretty 1-sided. I have a hard time taking everything he says at face value. There must be some parts of the story in dispute.

nevertheless I hate police coverups.

3/29/2007 8:24:20 PM

Well, e30ncsu, if all the bystanders had been armed they could have interceeded on the mans behalf against the police. The phrase "Leave that man alone" comes to mind.

An armed citizenry implies more than just armed victims, it also implies armed bystandards capable of banding with and upholding the rights of potential victims.

3/29/2007 8:56:27 PM

that would have just led to a lot more victims and lots of people charged with crimes

3/29/2007 9:11:41 PM

NO WAY MAN, ITS THE NEW REVOLUTION

3/29/2007 9:20:27 PM

surprised salisburyboy hasnt jumped all over this yet

3/29/2007 9:23:10 PM

I don't understand Republican18's response.

3/29/2007 9:28:20 PM

^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwyjibo#Our_new_._._._Overlords
http://catb.org/esr/jargon/html/I/I-for-one-welcome-our-new-X-overlords.html

3/29/2007 9:36:16 PM

my response was a joke taken from a line in a simpsons episode

3/29/2007 9:37:04 PM

This is absolutely atrocious, but jumping to the "OMFG PARAMILITARY POLICE STATE!!!" line strikes me, as anything, just another insult on top of the whole thing.

3/29/2007 9:37:12 PM

Its a perfectly cromulent response.

3/29/2007 9:38:03 PM

If this were a black guy we wouldn't hear about it (that about covers all the bases, i think).

3/29/2007 9:38:05 PM

that website jumps to all sorts of conclusions.

not to say what happened wasn't wrong


but damn, talk about using a tragedy to promote ones own agenda.

3/29/2007 9:49:34 PM

^ It's on Lew Rockwell what do you expect?

3/29/2007 9:54:07 PM

thats got some obvious bias, but they include their sources

3/29/2007 10:08:34 PM

it is pretty much over the top


but sucks either way you slice it

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 10:08 PM. Reason : dsfgdfgzdfgf]

3/29/2007 10:08:34 PM

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"If this were a black guy we wouldn't hear about it"

ahahahahaha yeah right.


I have to assume this was a joke.

3/29/2007 10:26:33 PM

^If it was a black guy, they could plant a gun on him, and everybody'd be like, "Oh, of course! He had a gun. Well, good thing the police took care of him."

3/29/2007 11:01:07 PM

'cause you know, planting a gun on a white guy is just beyond the imagination of your average cop.

3/29/2007 11:15:42 PM

not that the cops were in the right, but the blog really glossed over the details of the biker gang

they also failed to mention that he was housesitting for another gang member who had been arrested the previous day on weapon and drug charges

3/29/2007 11:18:44 PM

^^I imagine there would be more raised eyebrows under those circumstances.

It's a lot easier to plant a weapon on a black man than it is a white man and get away with it. Do you disagree with that?

3/30/2007 6:52:34 AM

I disagree with that.

3/30/2007 6:54:44 AM

Rusty disagrees.

3/30/2007 7:05:15 AM

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"if what the link says is completely true... the police state is here. and it is here to stay. "

I love idiots like this guy....he is downright amusing

3/30/2007 7:37:12 AM

I think it's more likely to happen to a black guy... But I don't think that's because it'd be easier to get away with.

I think the issue of the notion of planting a gun is hurting the conversation though, it's not a reasonable amount of force to exert on a man who is guilty or innocent. (Having reason to believe he was preparing to flee does not constitute justification for lethal force)

3/30/2007 7:38:43 AM

IF THE CITIZENS HAD GUNS THEY COULD HAVE TOTALLY ATTACKED THE POLICE!!!!!!

YAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!

AND THE CRIMINAL CHARGES AFTER THE FACT!!!!!!

YAAAAAARRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!

3/30/2007 8:46:19 AM

if this writer claims he was killed as part of a conspiracy or for the wrong reasons, I want to hear his reasoning for why they did. I dont doubt the possibility that he was killed unjustly, but 2 squads of police certainly did not rally together to kill a random person.

3/30/2007 9:13:12 AM

for real...that article reads like a tom clancy novel...give me a freakin break...

3/30/2007 9:14:30 AM

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"It's a lot easier to plant a weapon on a black man than it is a white man and get away with it. Do you disagree with that?"

I disagree. Can you imagine the shitstorm it would cause if the cops were found to have planted a gun on an unarmed black man who they shot to death? As it is, these cops supposedly planted pepper spray and a switchblade, but that's barely a footnote in this story.

If the victim had been a black guy, major media would be all over this story like flies on dogshit.

3/30/2007 9:27:28 AM

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"that would have just led to a lot more victims and lots of people charged with crimes"

but there would have also been some pork for dinner which is what really counts.

3/30/2007 10:32:00 AM

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"if this writer claims he was killed as part of a conspiracy or for the wrong reasons, I want to hear his reasoning for why they did. I dont doubt the possibility that he was killed unjustly, but 2 squads of police certainly did not rally together to kill a random person."

Not as a conscious action, but as the result of bad factors: 1) Cops are typically paranoid and 2) Overarmed and 3) have legal invulnerability - "I swear I feared for my life, we all did, that's why we tazed him three times, then shot him dead while still seizing" - they don't have to justify the fear, just claim they had it. And there ya have it - a man dead for the crime of being affected by a taser gun.

3/30/2007 11:52:27 AM

^ I can personally attest to 1) and 2). I had a cop flip out, draw his gun on me and start screaming once because my window was stuck and I had to crack my car door to talk to him.

3/30/2007 12:21:33 PM

^ Traffic stop? If you were the cop and the guy you just pulled over opened his door without you asking him, would the first thought in your mind be "His window must be stuck"?

3/30/2007 12:29:15 PM

Nobody is gonna argue that they were in the ballpark of being in the right. They were in a different town playing a different sport.

But I'm sorry, that article had to have left out a lot.

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"2 squads of police certainly did not rally together to kill a random person."

Exactly. I agree that paranoia or even old-fashioned sadism led them to taze and cap the guy, but I have a feeling that somewhere out there we could find some information that would at least partly explain why they came in such force.

Maybe they had been fed inaccurate information regarding who the guy was, or what was going on at the house that might have led to the reasonable expectation that so many guys would be necessary. Hell, maybe those cops are all dirty as hell and this guy was presenting a problem to them. I can accept that the police were incompetent, misinformed, overly paranoid, or just as dirty as dirt based on what this story presented. What I have a little more trouble with is that there is some sort of shadowy government effort to establish a police state.

And the "death squad" line -- please. Even death squads don't just assassinate random people and at the very least they don't start with the most minor "enemies of the state." The dead guy might have been a man of sterling character, but either he was into something or they really, really thought he did, and I'm willing to bet they had at least some reason to (even if it proved false).

3/30/2007 12:43:16 PM

^^ I wouldn't be a cop, and I wouldn't harass random motorists over bullshit infractions because I'm not a sadistic, power-drunk bully.

Yes, I know you meant the question rhetorically.


[Edited on March 30, 2007 at 12:44 PM. Reason : ^^]

3/30/2007 12:43:41 PM

This explains a lot...Megaloman is the way he is because he got a traffic ticket.

3/30/2007 12:46:34 PM

well someone has to be a cop and someone has to make routine traffic stops...get used to it

3/30/2007 12:47:47 PM

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"^ Traffic stop? If you were the cop and the guy you just pulled over opened his door without you asking him, would the first thought in your mind be "His window must be stuck"?"

If you're a cop and you pull someone over for a traffic violation, you're an idiot to assume that they are going to try and hurt you. If you pull them over for a stolen car, that's when you have to worry.

3/30/2007 12:47:49 PM

your right...this guy was a moron....what was he thinking about??

http://www.policeone.com/officer-down/1215096/

[Edited on March 30, 2007 at 12:50 PM. Reason : asdf]

3/30/2007 12:50:05 PM

sucks when toolbag criminals want to shoot someone because they got pulled over and are afraid of going to jail

3/30/2007 12:53:07 PM

^^ Did you even read the article? He wasn't spontaneously shot making a routine traffic stop.

[Edited on March 30, 2007 at 1:10 PM. Reason : e]

3/30/2007 1:09:59 PM

moron...theres countless stories about cops being killed in routine stops....stop being an idiot

3/30/2007 1:11:30 PM

Are you saying that Megaloman's treatment was justified?

I would be willing to bet that the VAST majority of routine traffic stops results in absolutely nothing bad happening to the cops, making what happened to Megaloman the result of some idiotic power-hungry pig, rather than reasonable caution.

And how am I being an idiot when you posted an article that when against your assertions?

[Edited on March 30, 2007 at 1:17 PM. Reason : ]

3/30/2007 1:17:01 PM

so what if most of them do end well...does that mean that cops arent justified in being as careful as they possibly can??

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"If you're a cop and you pull someone over for a traffic violation, you're an idiot to assume that they are going to try and hurt you."

this is one of the dumbest comments i have ever seen...cops arent allowed to be careful?

your still being an idiot

[Edited on March 30, 2007 at 1:19 PM. Reason : asfd]

3/30/2007 1:19:17 PM

^

Quote :

" your still being an idiot"

I'm not saying they shouldn't be careful, i'm saying it's idiotic for them to freak out and pull their gun on someone for opening their door. Do you walk around in a state of fear all the time? How do you get out of bed?

[Edited on March 30, 2007 at 1:22 PM. Reason : ]

3/30/2007 1:21:45 PM