why cant we just invade/liberate and make northern mexico a few more states and the ones that want to stay mexican can have lets say the city on south? That way there will be more jobs and more space to develop and the economy will be stronger. we could then make it so anybody could legally immigrate to the us/amnesty for those already here. everybody wins.

by law can't people pledge allegiance and become part of another country anyway?

5/2/2007 8:25:48 PM

Many people in Mexico do not want to become US citizens.

5/2/2007 8:28:50 PM

exactly the opposite, many mexicans would like to reclaim several US states for mexico

5/2/2007 8:48:52 PM

If we had wanted to conquer all of Mexico, we'd have done it long ago.

5/2/2007 8:57:24 PM

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"exactly the opposite, many mexicans would like to reclaim several US states for mexico"

How long are you people going to be using this line? This is precisely the sort of baseless fearmongering that has made me turn my back on Republicans.

Now, you'll say, "Baseless? But here's this site that talks about this Mexican group that wants to reclaim the states. PWNT!"

And I'll say, "Well, here's a half-dozen sites by groups that want to kill all the Jews and send the black people back to Africa, that doesn't mean I have to take them fucking seriously."

We'll go back and forth, and ultimately you'll keep spewing this nonsense, in all likelihood because brown people scare you, but maybe not -- no matter what the reason is, though, it's pretty stupid.

I seem to recall reading about an Irish group that wanted to break off a piece of another country -- maybe the US, I can't recall -- so they could use it as a staging point to retake their homeland. That worked out well. This will work out just as well.

5/2/2007 11:19:15 PM

Grumpy, calm down. fear-mongering? He didn't say we should do anything about it, not even that the immigrants are the ones seeking to take back American land. But his statement is technically true; just as there are many Americans that would tell you we should "just invade/liberate and make northern mexico a few more states", the reverse is true. But I don't believe anyone here would find such an eventuality likely (either way).

I guess you must really hate Republicans, especially those bastards you have never met, since it takes so little to set you off nowadays.

5/3/2007 12:16:13 AM

seriously though

ANNEX MEXICO

5/3/2007 12:38:11 AM

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" Grumpy, calm down. fear-mongering? He didn't say we should do anything about it, not even that the immigrants are the ones seeking to take back American land. But his statement is technically true; just as there are many Americans that would tell you we should "just invade/liberate and make northern mexico a few more states", the reverse is true. But I don't believe anyone here would find such an eventuality likely (either way). "

The problem though is that there are people who are gaining traction on the basis of the fear mongering that the mexicans want to form their own country. They are using this to try and paint most of the immigrants as anti-American dissidents, when that's not the case.

5/3/2007 3:32:27 AM

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"He didn't say we should do anything about it, not even that the immigrants are the ones seeking to take back American land."

Does not matter. GWB didn't win the 2000 election by saying, "John McCain has an illigitimate black daughter," but having his affiliates ask "Did you know John McCain has a black daughter?" worked just as well.

He doesn't have to say, "Kick out all the beaners," for his message to be a fear-mongering message of wrong.

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"I guess you must really hate Republicans, especially those bastards you have never met, since it takes so little to set you off nowadays."

I like how you assume I haven't met these Republicans, espcicially with me living in North Carolina. That's classy, really. The primary reason I turned against the Republican party was its stance towards immigrants. Bush was ready to be fairly lenient on them, which was one of the big reasons I supported him as I did; but the party, especially in this state, opposed him on it; so you see me as I am today.

It doesn't take "so little to set me off" nowadays. It's just that the things that set me off have drifted, through either my efforts or that of the party, to be things that piss me off. Immigration has always been one of my "pet" issues. It's just that now, the Republicans have once and for all shown their true colors as xenophobes, and I will have none of it.

5/3/2007 3:51:58 AM

this is just history repeating itself.

at the time the U.S took Texas and California and other states from mexico the population in those states favored the whites. Now, as time and population ratios have changed, mexicans outnumber some people in those states.


oh.. and GiT R Dun

5/3/2007 3:51:59 AM

anyone of you ever been to miami? If you want to feel like your in a different country. Hell alot of businesses dont speak english. Its the weirdest damn thing ive seen.

5/3/2007 10:04:54 AM

this thread is pretty dumb

5/3/2007 11:57:30 AM

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"at the time the U.S took Texas and California and other states from mexico the population in those states favored the whites. Now, as time and population ratios have changed, mexicans outnumber some people in those states."

Weren't Hispanics counted as "White" by the census until recently?

As for the original question in this thread, I assume that theoretically, if the entire state of Baja California voted to join the United States, and the Congress decided to approve it, then they would become yet another state in the Union. The question of course is whether or not they'd want to leave, whether or not Congress would even approve such a thing, and whether or not the Mexican government would let them leave peacefully...

5/3/2007 3:57:23 PM