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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=grant/070427&sportCat=ncf

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...As February turned to March and there was no improvement, Glasper feared it was something else. The pain had begun to affect his non-football life. While seated in the classroom, Glasper felt a burning down the left side of his body, so intense he had to shift his weight to his right side. He finally made a doctor's appointment. On March 12, 2006, he had an MRI, which revealed a torn acetabular labrum, a ligament that surrounds the socket of the hip joint. On April 11, 2006, after orthopedic surgeon Dr. Mininder Kocher operated on him, he gave Glasper counsel.

"I think you have a big problem," he said. "It's a long-term problem. I suggest you sit out next year." After digesting these words, Glasper requested a medical redshirt. So he told the coaches and they agreed this was best. As they prepared to start the season, O'Brien told Glasper that at less than 100 percent, he was of no use to him. He told Glasper to go home, and told the media that Glasper would be out "indefinitely."

In its fourth game, Boston College played North Carolina State and gave up 320 yards to the Wolfpack. That was by no means an alarming amount, except 72 of those yards had come in the final 46 seconds. On the final play, North Carolina State quarterback Daniel Evans threw a dart to receiver John Dunlap for a 34-yard touchdown. It happened in the spot where Glasper would have been. The Eagles lost 17-15. All of this may have proven too much for O'Brien, because the following day, after the team had watched film of the debacle, O'Brien sought out Glasper.

"How's your hip?" he asked.

"It's coming along," Glasper replied.

"You'd better hurry your ass up," O'Brien said. "Because you only have eight games left in your college career."

The coach could have forgotten. Once the season starts, coaches are busy and distracted and often lose sight of details that don't pertain to next week's game. Maybe the coach needed to be reminded of the details. So the player reminded him.

"I'm redshirting," Glasper said.

"No, you've been cleared by the doctor to play," O'Brien said. "You're choosing not to play."

Glasper was shocked into silence. But O'Brien continued.

"I hold the keys to what you do," the coach said. "We don't have to grant you a fifth year. Besides, I can't count on you."

Glasper seethes at the retelling of the story.

"I respect all people and I've always been a team player," Glasper says. "But when he said all that, I just wanted to punch that dude.""


Cool maybe he'll kill all our players too

5/4/2007 7:52:25 AM

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5/4/2007 7:59:13 AM

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never thought of TOB as a "dude"

5/4/2007 8:00:47 AM

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[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 8:04 AM. Reason : x]

5/4/2007 8:04:33 AM

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fucking awful

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""Looking back I think he already knew he was going somewhere else," Glasper says. "So I guess he needed the defense to be intact that season. I won't dwell on it, but I trusted him. And he could have f----- up my career.""


[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 8:07 AM. Reason : s]

5/4/2007 8:05:01 AM

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dude

5/4/2007 8:07:20 AM

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i saw this on statefansnation yesterday

http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2007/05/03/glasper-vs-tob-much-ado-about-nothing/

5/4/2007 8:09:34 AM

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its more of a case of bad reporting by ESPN ....again. Not looking up facts. This kid just sounds bitter because he didnt get drafted. His comments during the season seem to contradict everything that ESPN article said.

http://blog.news-record.com/staff/sportsextra/

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"May 2, 2007
What's Eating Ryan Glasper
Glasper, if you didn't know, was a safety last season on N.C. State football coach Tom O'Brien's last Boston College squad. Despite being an anchor for the Eagles' defense, he didn't get drafted. In this piece on ESPN.com, Glasper has an explanation why, and some pretty pointed criticism of O'Brien.

According to Glasper, O'Brien changed course after BC had played four games in 2006 forcing Glasper to play with an injured hip rather than allowing the safety to take a medical redshirt for the season. Playing hurt, Glasper reasoned, made him damaged goods in the eyes of NFL scouts.

First impression? This is a very damaging story for O'Brien and N.C. State. If a coach gets a reputation as being untrustworthy and willing to treat players as expendable commodities - which this story certainly suggests - then it's going to be very, very hard for him to sell himself and his school on the recruiting trail. And we all know what happens with recruiting goes badly.

Hold on though, because there are several different impressions to be formed here, if you go back in time and do a little more research.

First, check out this story that ran on Glasper in the New Haven Register just before the draft. Glasper's still ticked, but not nearly as overt in his criticism. And while the ESPN.com piece states that Glasper didn't find out until after the fourth game of the season that he wouldn't be allowed to redshirt, the New Haven piece doesn't specify the time. Here's how that issues is handled in that piece ...

But he was surprised to find out that the BC coaching staff wouldn't allow him to red-shirt. Although the doctor that performed his surgery hadn't cleared him to play, BC's team doctor had, apparently reasoning that, technically, nothing had to be repaired in his hip. If Glasper elected to sit out this past season, he would not have been offered a scholarship for next year.

"It was either I played, or my career at BC was over," he said.

So he played, though not until the fifth game of the season.

That may not seem like a big difference, but it's actually huge. In the ESPN piece, O'Brien comes off as downright unethical - withdrawing the promise of a redshirt when his team's defense starts to struggle. In the New Haven piece, while it's still not clear when O'Brien informed Glasper he couldn't redshirt, O'Brien comes across as merely an old-school coach, essentially telling Glasper that he won't give him a medical redshirt because the team doc has cleared the safety to play. That doesn't make O'Brien seem like the most loveable guy, but it's much better than being seen as a liar.

One side note: Kevin Lempa, the defensive backs coach mentioned frequently in the ESPN.com article, did not join O'Brien at State. Instead, he now works at Maryland. Some have suggested he has an axe to grind with O'Brien. Others wondered whether he wasn't brought down to Raleigh because he butted heads with O'Brien over how Glasper was handled. Of course, it's also possible that Lempa just took another job at another school and it has nothing to do with Glasper.

It should also be noted that Glasper was one of the players that BC brought to the preseason ACC football media gatherings. That's a strange thing to do if the team had already agreed to redshirt the player, as the ESPN.com piece says BC had elected to do with Glasper.

In two earlier stories, from during the season, Glasper doesn't appear nearly as bitter about the decision to play, rather than sit out the 2006 season. Here's what he said in a Boston Globe article a few days before he played in his first game.

`` Sitting out is probably one of the worst experiences I've ever had to deal with, especially considering the fact that in 14 years of playing I've never sat out a season of football," Glasper said. ``Watching the first home game against Clemson, I was nearly in tears watching the guys come out because for the first time I felt like I wasn't a part of something. I mean, they were going out there and I'd been with them for three years."

Asked to gauge where he was in his recovery, Glasper said, ``I think it just comes right down to heart. You can't put a percentage or anything on it, on how I feel or anything. I just know deep down in my heart I'm meant to play football and, ultimately, that's going to happen."

Certainly it can be argued that Glasper was merely saying all the right things because he knew that the coaches held all the power in determining his future with the team. Maybe at that time he was inwardly ticked at being forced to come back while outwardly declaring his burning desire to get back on the field. But then there's this article in the BC student paper that ran before Glasper played in his final home game for BC. Look at what Glasper says about returning from injury:

"Coaches want their players back on the field and contributing as soon as possible," said Glasper. "And that should be the idea of players. I don't think the idea should be to place your future ambitions ahead of what you're trying to attain as a team."

This isn't an attempt to run down Glasper's reputation. Nor is it an attempt to polish up O'Brien's reputation. Just view it as additional information that you can use to make up your own mind.

One more thing, though. It looks like Glasper is taking a softer line than the one he took in the ESPN.com piece. Here's what he said to the N&O last night.

“I have no animosity toward Coach O’Brien,” he said. “I'm not bitter about anything or have any hatred.

“He's a good coach, a phenomenal coach. I understand what he did. From a coach's perspective, he did what he thought was best for the team. Maybe he knew that it would be his last year at BC and wanted it to be the best year it could be.”
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[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 8:11 AM. Reason : ]

5/4/2007 8:10:47 AM

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"North Carolina State quarterback Daniel Evans threw a dart to receiver John Dunlap for a 34-yard touchdown"


anyone else find this funny? more like a rainbow

5/4/2007 10:32:15 AM

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"No, you've been cleared by the doctor to play," O'Brien said. "You're choosing not to play"


In that exact same situation, Amato would've said

"No, you've been cleared to play. But you don't committ enough penalties for Amato-ball. Hey-oh, uhhhhhhhhh!!"

5/4/2007 10:34:48 AM

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"North Carolina State quarterback Daniel Evans threw a lawn dart to receiver John Dunlap for a 34-yard touchdown"


Fixed it.

5/4/2007 10:48:06 AM

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who cares hes our coach now and this article just makes him sound more old school like we all thought he was. He is a tough guy and expects his players to be equally tough. if you are cleared to play your gonna play. And isnt their a rule where you cant be redshirted after so many games? even if it is a medical redshirt.

5/4/2007 12:23:44 PM

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The quotes are all Glasper's account while he was upset just after going undrafted. TOB did the class thing by not responding. Glasper's other versions of the story seem to soften it, and TOB just came across as a no nonsense guy that didn't want excuses.

5/4/2007 12:44:56 PM

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I love this. I think that things like this are exactly why we needed Amato to go and Red Tom to take the reigns in order to make these kind of tough decisions. Why?
IT IS ALL ABOUT WINNING football games no matter what it takes. No matter how hard the BC folks try to downplay the fact that TOB gave them a great season just about every year no matter how he went about doing it.

Also I hate fucks from Boston who think they're so much better than anyone from the south. Let the rivalry and hate begin, I will spit in the faces of all the Bahhh staahhn Cyaah laahdge fans...

5/4/2007 12:53:52 PM

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while i'm amazed it took so long to make tdub, this is basically a non-story. kid was medically cleared to play, coach wanted him to play.

did i mention he used to get in a fight per day at practice? maybe that has something to do w/ redtom not wanting to give him another year of scholarship.

5/4/2007 1:01:49 PM

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GLASPER IS A BIG WHINER.

I love how the article first describes him as this kid with a chip on his shoulder, talking about how he got into fights in school, how he was rebellious blah blah blah..... then the articles tries to paint a picture of some eloquent class-act..... then the kid says he wants to punch his coach in the face. Sounds more like the kid has a attitude problem and is trying to blame someone else. Give me a goddamn break!

Well, guess what Glasper? Any coach won't want you to play for them now with that kind of attitude. He's bitter and pissed about not getting drafted. Its quite obvious this article is one-sided and he's trying to earn pity points.

Sympathy can be found in the dictionary between "Shit" and "Syphilis."

5/4/2007 1:03:10 PM

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^LOL!

All of a sudden the

RED TOM nickname and angry face are starting to fit him very, very nicely

[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 2:39 PM. Reason : ]

5/4/2007 2:38:39 PM

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I like how the ESPN article puts the convo between TOB and Glasper in quotes...is that the proper method? Seems like unless you know for a fact it was said (heard it yourself or from a reliable source), it should be paraphrased and not quoted.

5/4/2007 2:41:00 PM

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GINGERBOT DEACTIVATE

5/4/2007 2:41:05 PM

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"heard it yourself or from a reliable source"


i'd consider someone who was one of the two people there a reliable source... technically. i think this kid probably did take some liberties with the dialog, though.

5/4/2007 2:46:12 PM

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^^^ nobody ever accused espn on stellar journalism...

^ eye witness accounts are the least reliable... especially when clouded with emotion... he remembers what he wants to remember about an incident like that, not what really happened.

5/4/2007 2:47:24 PM

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i'm sure that is the case, but in this situation that's the best story you're going to possibly get.

5/4/2007 2:48:29 PM

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either way the press will take the most intriguing version and run with it despite the fact that most of it is emotion driven shit talk

5/4/2007 4:02:44 PM

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