I mean really. Why is there such a huge fuss over these guys fighting tomorrow? They both are like 5'8" and 150lbs. Who the fuck cares?!?! This is why UFC is way more popular these days. UFC is more real, and as far as "fighting goes" its as real as it gets in the terms of paid fighting. I really can't believe people care so pumped about this fight. Sure Mayweather is undefeated, but who the fuck cares, he is 5'8" 150lbs and Oscar is too. I really don't think most of America realizes just how small these guys are. They just see it as some big promoted fight and get all excited and think this is the next coming of Mike Tyson. Boxing hasn't been cool in a long long time, and all of a sudden TV and Vegas are trying to make it big. Sure it will be a good fight, but it is nowhere near as big as everyone is making it out to be. Anyone else agree? Perhaps I am totally wrong, and maybe I am.....

[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 10:19 PM. Reason : .]

5/4/2007 10:18:58 PM

suspend

5/4/2007 10:26:32 PM

Please do tell me what I posted was so bad. Nobody wants to see skinny guys fighting.

5/4/2007 10:36:03 PM

lock, suspend, throw away the keys

5/4/2007 11:01:34 PM

Nobody wants to see skinny guys fighting dumbass threads.

5/4/2007 11:02:12 PM

funny seeing that i would put my bank on either of those "small guys" against you in the ring any day of the week

but i still do say that UFC will take over everything eventually

[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 11:17 PM. Reason : ...]

5/4/2007 11:16:31 PM

i am a huge UFC and mixed martial arts fan


but dude, shut the fuck up

i dont know if u are aware but in the ufc they have a lightweight division of 155 pounds, and other orgs go 145 and below

and the lightweights are the most exciting fights often times, how about showing respect for combat sports boxing and MMA can coexist

[Edited on May 5, 2007 at 12:03 AM. Reason : e]

5/5/2007 12:01:29 AM

Boxing and MMA are different sports.

UFC guys would win in an MMA fight, but De La Hoya or Mayweather would destroy any UFC guy in a close weight-class in a boxing match.

I don't know why people have to compare them all the time.

Besides, heavyweight boxing is usually much more boring, they get tired and start to latch onto each other much sooner.

[Edited on May 5, 2007 at 12:22 AM. Reason : 2 ppl]

5/5/2007 12:21:39 AM

UFC IS GAY

AS ARE THE PEOPLE THAT DROOL OVER THE FIGHTERS PRANCING AROUND IN THEIR SPEEDOS

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5/5/2007 2:47:36 AM

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"UFC is more real, and as far as "fighting goes" its as real as it gets in the terms of paid fighting."

stopped reading right there. what you clearly don't understand is that people don't watch boxing to watch fighting. people watch boxing to watch boxing. i know, that's tough.

5/5/2007 2:56:34 AM

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"This is why UFC is way more popular these days."

I'm not going to lie, I no very little about UFC, but there is no way thats true. De La Hoya has the potential to make $30 million tonight, the fight will be seen in 176 countries and could become one of the highest-grossing fights in history, worth more than $100 million. Tickets to the 17,000-seat MGM Grand Garden Arena sold out in three hours, generating a Nevada-record live gate of $19 million and surpassing the $16.8 million for the second Lennox Lewis-Evander Holyfield heavyweight title fight in 1999 at Las Vegas' Thomas & Mack Center. Let me know next time UFC match's that.

5/5/2007 8:53:45 AM

One of the main reasons boxing is down right now is because there are no big name heavyweights. RoyalFlush, you are right that given most cases, no one would care about two 5'8" guys fighting. But, this is like the all-time matchup for small guys. The UFC has totally dominated boxing for the last few years. Boxing has Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, and numerous bad decisions out there to thank for this. Most people think Lewis was a pansy for fighting who he wanted to, when he wanted to, rather than taking on all comers like he said he would. And, he retired, rather than rematching Klitchko. Klitchko had him beat the first time, but the cut he suffered cost him the fight. Tyson's numerous storylines basically disgraced the sport. And, it just seems that over the course of the late 90's, and into this decade, there were a lot of decisions that were questionable to say the least. It is bad when you are at home paying to watch a fight and even the commentators drop a WTF? (Not really, but they did say that the judges must have been watching a fight on TV, not the one in the ring)

If Americans had someone to rally for in the heavyweight division, boxing would come back. The only problem is, there isn't anyone with the kind of killer Tyson persona or Holyfield grit. But, getting back to the little guys fighting, this is like EA's Fight Night: dream lightweight fight-- Mayweather vs. De La Hoya. I just don't think De La Hoya has enough left in him for Mayweather. Floyd is peaking in terms of his career. De La Hoya is on the slippery slopr of a has been. While I do hope De La Hoya can gather enough magic to return to the past and be the "Golden Boy", I am unsure if this will happen. If it does, this will be a truly memorable fight.

In three years though, if a dominant American heavyweight doesn't emerge, boxing is dead in America.

5/5/2007 10:33:19 AM

You are wrong. I don't see boxing becoming that popular as long as any fight worth watching is on PPV. No major sport has their championship on PPV, and boxing will never be a major sport to the casual fan as long as that is the case.

5/5/2007 10:42:10 AM

Sorry markgoal, I totally blanked out the PPV costs, etc. That is yet another problem with the boxing system today. $39.99 to $59.99 for a boxing match? WTF? Boxing is cutting its own throat with prices like that.

5/5/2007 10:53:35 AM

UFC is more popular as a whole. Their PPVs retain high numbers of viewership month in and month out.


one high grossing boxing match does not equal more popularity. It equals people wanting a chance to see what boxing used to be. These two boxers may have more popularity, but boxing as a whole is in no way more popular than UFC as a whole.

[Edited on May 5, 2007 at 11:36 AM. Reason : edit]

5/5/2007 11:36:00 AM

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"but boxing as a whole is in no way more popular than UFC as a whole."

I'm sure UFC is more popular among American 18-30 year old males. But boxing is much more popular worldwide. A boxing match just set the attendance record for an indoor sporting event in Europe and only one of the fighters was any good. If Jermaine Taylor actually does fight Calzaghe in Wales that record will be broken once again. Boxing might be limited to a niche sport in this country, but thanks to all the Hispanics it is a very secure niche and is not going anywhere.

5/5/2007 12:36:10 PM

I'm not sure why the sports bar/restaurant near me isn't ordering the fight. It is the only option close by, and while $55 is ridiculous for someone to order the fight on their own it is chump change compared to the customers they could bring into the bar.

5/5/2007 1:49:45 PM

For boxing to become popular again it needs to have one champion per division, cut down the number of weight divisions, get rid of bribes for title fights, stop having champions duck contenders, and for some of the WBA, WBC, WBO, IBF, etc. to disappear.

And that will never happen.

[Edited on May 5, 2007 at 1:55 PM. Reason : .]

5/5/2007 1:54:44 PM

users with less than 1000 posts....


I know the rules

5/5/2007 3:07:24 PM

Dude, I only read the first line. You are a moron. You obviously know none of the backstory of these two.

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"Perhaps I am totally wrong, and maybe I am....."

You got this part right. You are in fact totally wrong.

This guy proves once again that people with < 1000 posts shouldn't be able to make threads.

[Edited on May 5, 2007 at 3:09 PM. Reason : ]

5/5/2007 3:08:00 PM

i dono if boxing is as popular worldwide as one would think

in japan, the love their MMA and professional wrestling, places like india and china and shit love their muay thai

a lot of south america loves vale tudo

im not saying youre wrong, but you know

5/5/2007 5:36:12 PM

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"Boxing has Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, and numerous bad decisions out there to thank for this. Most people think Lewis was a pansy for fighting who he wanted to, when he wanted to, rather than taking on all comers like he said he would. And, he retired, rather than rematching Klitchko. Klitchko had him beat the first time, but the cut he suffered cost him the fight."

So let me get this straight - Klitchko had the fight won, even though Lewis managed to rip half his face off before the end of the fifth round with those vicious left jabs? Lewis walked into that match in terrible shape due to the contender rescheduling, and once he started taking things seriously in the 3rd round he started punishing Klitchko. As far as Lewis being a pansy for fighting who he wanted to, that's total revisionist bullshit. Most other boxers avoided Lewis, and Lewis didn't get a choice in who he beat to get his gold medal. Reddick Bowe handed over the title to Lewis because he didn't want to get his ass beat again in a repeat of Seoul, and Mike Tyson refused to fight against Lewis after unifying the title.

the only problem with Lewis is that he was such a great fighter that he didn't take his fight preparations as seriously as he should have. Both of his title losses stemmed from him not taking opponents seriously, and he avenged them both viciously.

5/5/2007 6:09:15 PM

I'm surprised no one has posted the link to the "posters with less than 1000 posts" thread

5/5/2007 8:47:12 PM

his post was just that infuriating.

5/5/2007 8:50:03 PM

^^They can post it all they want, but its not going to stop me from making threads.

5/5/2007 9:52:07 PM

lewis never faced the kind of contenders at their peak to make him great. unfortunately, he retired before definitively beating Klitschko, and that will be part of his legacy forever.

To be remembered as one of the greats, you have to take fights that you may lose. It's one of the major reasons that DLH is so respected, because he has so many superfights on his record. I just really don't think Lewis was better than Klitschko, and most people agree. It would be as if Holyfield never rematched Lewis for the title after that gift decision in the first fight. No one would respect Holyfield.

5/5/2007 10:12:50 PM

who won?.

[Edited on May 5, 2007 at 10:43 PM. Reason : forgot]

5/5/2007 10:41:58 PM

to say he didn't beat klitchko is beyond retarded. klitchko may have landed more punches, but judges score by the blood. klitchko was stopped because he was about 2 rounds past needing major reconstructive surgery on his ripped open face. a couple more rounds and he could have ripped open a major artery and been in serious trouble. if you think the first three rounds are indicative of who won the fight, then de la hoya would have lost half of the big fights he was in. just look at the Vargas fight for an example.

why don't you name the big name fighters that he dodged if you think Lewis was scared of people. he gave up the title to Tyson for millions of dollars because it was a good business move on his part, and he stayed an amateur because he wanted an Olympic medal. how are you going to fault him for that? it's not his fault that Don King didn't see a dollar to be made in letting Tyson and Lewis match up.

5/5/2007 10:45:21 PM

after watching the fight this weekend i am more reminded than ever that mayweather is lennox lewis. they both have the same unwatchable style that is very difficult to defeat, but unappealing to watch. both have knockouts but win their matches not by crushing their opponents, but by standing back and picking away at them until they can't survive any longer (although being nearly 250 most of the time, lewis' jab could lead to a quick stoppage if you were short or too slow).

neither one will ever truly be raised to the pantheon of the elite boxers for two main reasons, in my book.

first, they didn't fight the best fighters in their era WHEN THEY WERE AT THEIR BEST. (and getting your clock cleaned by oliver mccall and hasim rahman in one punch doesn't help your legacy either, nor does running away from the competition and retiring just when it starts to get good---both floyd and lennox)

secondly, and more importantly, neither has the killer instinct that makes them watchable and loved by fans. they don't have the predator mentality like tyson, ali, leonard, or even manny pacquiao.

lewis and mayweather are extremely talented fighters, but i will never consider either one great. they were the best in their era by far technically, but boxing is a production as much as anything else. leonard was MADE when he fought tommy hearns by the way they went at each other. frazier and ali were great because they had each other, not to mention ken norton, george foreman, and others. jack dempsey was amazing because he came back from getting knocked out of the ring by firpo to beat his ass in the next round. as much as tyson didn't have the lasting effect, he destroyed fighters in such an appealing way that the crowd loved him for it.

[Edited on May 7, 2007 at 10:07 AM. Reason : sd]

5/7/2007 10:05:13 AM

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"nor does running away from the competition and retiring just when it starts to get good---both floyd and lennox"

explain to me how lennox retired when the talent got good? there hasn't been a heavyweight worth watching since lewis. both of the klitchko brothers were nothing more than the great white hype. you could say that the talent hasn't been good since before Tyson went to prison.

Retiring once you get a couple hundred million in the bank is a smart move. Why on earth would anyone want to spend their latter years looking like Ali just so they could make a name for themselves?

5/7/2007 10:50:35 AM

Come on. Lewis at least knew he could avenge his losses to McCall and Rahman because they didn't have what was necessary to stop him when he was at his best. Neither was a technical genius and neither had the kind of skill needed to outbox Lewis if he truly trained and took them seriously, so he wanted to rematch them and prove himself.

Klitschko, on the other hand (either one really) had the frame, the length, the power, and the technical ability to pose a serious threat, and after he got lit up in the fight with Klitschko, he knew that he wouldn't be able to hold him off like he did with a lazy, out of shape Tyson or and overrated Tua. I'm not saying Lewis would have lost, just that it was a very likely possibility. The early rounds of that fight ROCKED Lewis, and no one can question Vitaly's heart after the Lewis fight, which would have made for a phenomenal rematch after going in as a 4 to 1 dog.

I would think a lot more of Lewis if he had rematched Klitschko. He wasn't afraid of McCall because he was a head case, and he wasn't afraid to rematch Rahman either. Say what you want about Oscar, but he is a fighter.

I mean, can Laila Ali ever really be considered the best woman when Anne Wolf is beating the shit out of people and challenging men? In my mind, it's the same kind of thing. Does Ali have anything to GAIN? No, of course not, unless she wants to test herself. The same was true of Lewis. Sometimes you have to risk losing everything to be the best ever.

5/7/2007 2:56:31 PM