http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/10/outsourcing.news.ap/index.html

So now they've gone as far as outsourcing local news reporters positions to India. First we couldn't understand WTF they were saying on the phone for tech support, now we won't have any idea WTF they're writing about in the news.

5/11/2007 7:03:22 AM

capitalism FTW

common sense FTL

5/11/2007 7:42:27 AM

So are Indians now the Mexicans of non-manual labor jobs?

5/11/2007 8:28:26 AM

for the US yeah, but in other countries, particularly in the middle-east, they ARE the Mexican slave labor....along with the paki's

5/11/2007 9:08:13 AM

From what I heard even a daft indian is going to do a better job than the 14 year old American he is replacing.

5/11/2007 9:52:41 AM

I think outsourcing local news coverage is going to be limited at best. In the end, you just have to be there, to be able to meet people in person to develop sources and investigate, in order to report an issue effectively.

5/11/2007 10:07:52 AM

So the "local" news is going to be all about the latest relationships in Bollywood instead of Hollywood now.

5/11/2007 10:53:21 AM

^^ You're assuming that's being done in the first place.

5/11/2007 11:09:28 AM

5/11/2007 1:42:00 PM

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"From what I heard even a daft indian is going to do a better job than the 14 year old American he is replacing."

14 year olds write the news here?

5/11/2007 2:20:34 PM

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"for the US yeah, but in other countries, particularly in the middle-east, they ARE the Mexican slave labor....along with the paki's"

Funny coming from an Arab whose country has a population growth equal to the economic growth rate (read abysmal). Aren't Muslim women treated like shit?

5/11/2007 2:26:44 PM

^^^ that chicka is HAWTTTTTTTTT

^^ i think he meant someone who has been writing fro 14 years

^ what does any of that have to do with the facts he said? it is a fact that more than 90% of all taxi drivers, construction laborers, and street cleaners in the ME are from 3 countries (india, pakistan, and bangladesh).

if you think that fact somehow cheapens the your image, well that's silly.

a fact is a fact.

5/11/2007 3:32:27 PM

How is that "slave" labor?

I take offense to the word "slave". Those might not be high-paying jobs, but they're earning comparable to someone else of their level of education. Not to mention that there is a FUCKING OBSCENE number of Egyptians in Saudi Arabia, who are not educated and do the same amount of labor intensive work. India's population is in billions, Egypt is like 100 million. Still, the difference in the number of "slaves" isn't much, which gives us another reason as to why those Arabs have to move to other countries to get work.

Also, you're a fucking dumbass if you're trying to rationalize any statement that includes the word "Paki" in it. As much as I would love to see a Pakistan-less world, those are the same Muslims who haven't directly attacked the US.

Not to mention that 98% of females in EGYPT were circumcised under pressure up until the late 90s. That figure is probably a shit ton higher for your Saudi Arabia.

5/11/2007 3:52:02 PM

Did anyone notice something odd about this picture?

I think they walked in on this guy at a bad time

5/11/2007 4:04:50 PM

^^

1) It is obvious to BLOODY EVERYBODY he didn't mean "slave" in the dictionary sense. There are barely any more real slaves left in the word. And he said "Mexican slave labor", so tell me, are the Mexicans really slaves in the US? Of course not, but some people may call it slave labour because they are paid peanuts, their rights are trampled on, and they have very little recourse to justice. The South Asian manual workers in the Gulf countries are in similar horrible conditions. The are paid very little, their wages are sometimes held for months, and they can't get justice, even though under the local laws, they do have rights.

2) I don't care if people say Paki. I don't associate myself with any country, and anybody who wants to be racist can go ahead. And BTW, he probably doesn't know that Paki is a derogatory term, otherwise he wouldn't have said it, I believe. And if you want a Pakistan-less world, why don't you go ahead and pray to Kali, and maybe your wish will come true.... BTW, how are the staged fake-encounter killings by the police coming along in Gujarat? So how many officers have been indicted, like 7 so far? For all your talk of human rights, fascism, and terrorism, you sure do seem to ingore it when it happens in your beloved motherland. Anyway, that's a separate topic, and I will not respond to it in this thread anymore. Feel free to make another thread if you desire.

3) Again, what does that have to do with outsourcing of jobs? And again, you conveniently ignore the massive human rights abuses that take place in your country, whether by individuals, or by the government. Again, this is a totally separate issue, and I will not engage in this here. Make a separate thread for bashing Arab/Muslim countries and their dismal human rights records, and for glorifying your country's glowing exemplary record.




^ nah dude, he is just "researching" wedding dresses

5/11/2007 4:38:08 PM

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"they are paid peanuts"

They earn more than someone of their qualification would in their homeland. Hence, the concepts of labor supply and demand, and remittance.

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"their rights are trampled on"

That's true for just about anyone in the Middle East. Most of those countries are classified "Not Free" according to independent measures/scales. No freedom of religion is common in your homeland, too. Heck, you could be penalized for speaking against the Govt. in Egypt.

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"they have very little recourse to justice"

Basically, human rights are more like religious rights in the Middle East.

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"though under the local laws, they do have rights."

Local laws written by the same people who "exploit" these workers? ok

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"he probably doesn't know that Paki is a derogatory term"

What an ignorant dumbass.

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"why don't you go ahead and pray to Kali, and maybe your wish will come true"

Praying to Allah has more fruitful results when it comes to killing civilians/innocent people, though.

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"how are the staged fake-encounter killings by the police coming along in Gujarat?"

Thanks to democracy and freedom of press, you ACTUALLY get to hear the bad news...unlike, let's say, the MIDDLE FUCKING EAST. Hey wait, aren't non-muslims barred from entering Makkah? Or didn't about 2 dozen Christians get torched alive in Egypt a couple years ago?

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"what does that have to do with outsourcing of jobs?"

Just like the very first post, nothing.

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"for glorifying your country's glowing exemplary record."

My country has a middle class bigger than America's entire population, and is growing at more than 9% a year. Sorry, you lose.

5/11/2007 4:54:24 PM

i donno about CNN, but WRAL jobs are about to be outsourced to TWW

5/11/2007 10:07:20 PM

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"Funny coming from an Arab whose country has a population growth equal to the economic growth rate (read abysmal). Aren't Muslim women treated like shit?"

first. not that i have anything against arabs. I like arabs. However, I am not an arab. Second, Muslim women are not treated like shit in Egypt, and neither are our Christian women. But as always, you are always implying I'm Muslim which I'm not...but some how you think thats insulting me.

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"No freedom of religion is common in your homeland, too. Heck, you could be penalized for speaking against the Govt. in Egypt."

My whole family is Christian, we do everything Christians do. Most of our churches are older then the US. But if by no freedom of religion you mean no one other then Christians and Muslims then perfect, cause that works for me.

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"Not to mention that 98% of females in EGYPT were circumcised under pressure up until the late 90s. That figure is probably a shit ton higher for your Saudi Arabia."

I'm dying to know where you get any information at all.

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"Not to mention that there is a FUCKING OBSCENE number of Egyptians in Saudi Arabia, who are not educated and do the same amount of labor intensive work."

we have plenty of uneducated people. So does the US, hell the president of the US would be considered uneducated by worldly standards. Again, what point are you trying to make?

You are weak charactered if by me stating a fact about Indians in the Middle East insulted you so deeply.

[Edited on May 11, 2007 at 11:18 PM. Reason : fda]

5/11/2007 11:16:55 PM

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"hell the president of the US would be considered uneducated by worldly standards"

What? Damn if getting a BA from Yale and a MBA from Harvard is considered "uneducated," then I think we are all screwed.

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"But if by no freedom of religion you mean no one other then Christians and Muslims then perfect, cause that works for me."

Wow... anything else you could say in this already shitty thread can't top that.

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"Not to mention that 98% of females in EGYPT were circumcised under pressure up until the late 90s. That figure is probably a shit ton higher for your Saudi Arabia."

Are you nuts?

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"Outsourcing" is awesome and is great for the global economy on so many levels. Of course, news won't ever be outsourced, but the concept is pretty funny.

5/12/2007 10:25:48 AM

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"that chicka is HAWTTTTTTTTT "

She looks kind of annoyed in that picture, like she's thinking "why am I doing this again?"

5/12/2007 11:40:00 AM

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"What? Damn if getting a BA from Yale and a MBA from Harvard is considered "uneducated," then I think we are all screwed."

I don't care what school he went to or who he bought his degrees from. the man is by no means intelligent.

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"Wow... anything else you could say in this already shitty thread can't top that."

it is my country, i don't want all these ridiculous freedoms fucking it up. You can't even mention God in schools in the US without getting suspended or expelled. Sure sounds like freedom.

[Edited on May 12, 2007 at 12:08 PM. Reason : fda]

5/12/2007 12:03:11 PM

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"Female genital mutilation in Egypt changed from an accepted if seldom talked about custom to a political hot topic after the news network CNN aired a story in September 1994 featuring the circumcision of a 9 year old girl from Cairo. The footage, showing the girl held down by a barber, screaming in protest while he performed the operation with a razor, embarrassed Egyptians and fuelled an outcry by women's groups and non-governmental organisations. Statistics compiled in 1994 by Egypt's former ministry of population (now a subdivision of the ministry of health) estimated that between 70% and 90% of Egyptian women were circumcised. But a more recent survey conducted by the international group Marco puts the figure even higher, with 97% of women in both rural and urban areas reporting that they have been circumcised. Circumcisions range from clitoridectomies to almost total removal of the outside genitalia. The practice seems to be rooted in both African tradition and Islamic beliefs"

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/313/7052/249

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"I don't care what school he went to or who he bought his degrees from. the man is by no means intelligent."

Yeah, I am sure some religious fanatic in Cairo who encourages forces female circumcision is much more intelligent.

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"You can't even mention God in schools in the US without getting suspended or expelled. Sure sounds like freedom."

You can't drink water on the streets of Middle East, especially Saudi Arabia during the month of Ramazan, even if you're dying, and are not a Muslim. Sure sounds like freedom and equality.

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"Muslim women are not treated like shit in Egypt, and neither are our Christian women."

Really?

5/12/2007 2:37:53 PM

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" So now they've gone as far as outsourcing local news reporters positions to India."

Well, local news is so bad, why not? They could outsource it to dogs and it'd probably be higher quality.

Outsourcing is hardly an issue where this particular dying institution is concerned. Local news -- especially in California -- is for fogies and gawkers. It's faux earnestness over small matters, usually irrelevant, and endlessly repetitive.

5/12/2007 3:20:20 PM

For esgargs

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2007/india0207/

5/12/2007 3:39:38 PM

haha

Why am I amused? Oh yeah, a report by an NGO that seeks to make money through similar sensationalism, even though they AGREE that the official Human Rights reports for India aren't bleak looking at all.

Also, funny, the kind of reading material you get when you search the same site for "Egypt", "Saudi Arabia", and "Pakistan". Wait, wasn't Pakistan the country where rape is a KIND OF PUNISHMENT for a woman?

5/12/2007 3:56:32 PM

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"You can't drink water on the streets of Middle East, especially Saudi Arabia during the month of Ramazan, even if you're dying, and are not a Muslim. Sure sounds like freedom and equality."

ummm...I'm not Saudi Arabian? We can eat and drink outside in Egypt during Ramadan just fine. hell when i lived in the UAE for 11 years we could also, but out of respect for Muslims we did not. Its not polite to eat in front of someone that can't eat too.

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"Really?"

lol?

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"Yeah, I am sure some religious fanatic in Cairo who encourages forces female circumcision is much more intelligent. "

A) he's not the leader of a country
B) he probably is more intelligent anyway

[Edited on May 12, 2007 at 4:11 PM. Reason : fda]

5/12/2007 4:09:59 PM

UAE is not even 1/10th as Islamic/fundamentalist as Saudi Arabia or Egypt.

5/12/2007 4:10:57 PM

why do all these threads devolve into rash-bashing so often by people from other countries?

5/12/2007 4:11:36 PM

^^LOL you are an idiot.

5/12/2007 4:12:25 PM

I just found some irony in the OPs comments, brought them to light, and he and his Islamic friends are insulted.

5/12/2007 4:12:26 PM

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"LOL you are an idiot. "

Yeah I am sure UAE Govt. forces all women to wear veils.

5/12/2007 4:12:53 PM

^Egyptian government doesnt. you are comparing a country I have never lived in and have no ties to to all Middle Eastern countries. UAE local women ARE forced to wear veils just like any other Arab Muslim woman.

[Edited on May 12, 2007 at 4:16 PM. Reason : e]

5/12/2007 4:14:16 PM

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"UAE local women ARE forced to wear vails just like any other Arab Muslim woman."

PLease stop talking.

5/12/2007 4:15:03 PM

you are just another Indian who is trying to leech off of this countries student VISA program so you can stay out of your own shit whole of a country. Then you claim all these sensationalist facts about other countries that you have never even been to. You are really becoming quite the American!

^yeah because I am right, you are wrong.

[Edited on May 12, 2007 at 4:16 PM. Reason : fda]

5/12/2007 4:15:59 PM

You're the one whose immediate family IMMIGRATED to the US, not me.

5/12/2007 4:16:51 PM

LEGALLY and because the company moved us here. We contribute to this country just like any other average citizen. You just leech off its system so you can stay here a few more months longer.

5/12/2007 4:19:25 PM

What's so illegal about Student "VISA"? Do you even know the taxation requirements?

In fact, there's NO FUCKING way an immigrant could contribute MORE to the economy than a legal non-immigrant. I am not the one paying in-state tuition so that I could go back to a turrist country and train brothers in arms.

5/12/2007 4:21:36 PM

you are no different then all the terrorists that come into this country. They all leech off the student VISA program also.

5/12/2007 4:22:35 PM

You're truly showing the worth of subsidizing your in-state education through your statements.

[Edited on May 12, 2007 at 4:24 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2007 4:24:40 PM

I am finished with you, you may go now.

5/12/2007 4:24:52 PM

You're finished because everything you have said in this thread, right from post #1, has been utter bullshit.

5/12/2007 4:25:49 PM

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"haha Why am I amused? Oh yeah, a report by an NGO that seeks to make money through similar sensationalism, even though they AGREE that the official Human Rights reports for India aren't bleak looking at all. Also, funny, the kind of reading material you get when you search the same site for "Egypt", "Saudi Arabia", and "Pakistan". Wait, wasn't Pakistan the country where rape is a KIND OF PUNISHMENT for a woman?"

I forgot to say, I knew that would be your answer.

50,000 female abortions/infanticides per year
6,000 dowry-burnings/year in one city (Delhi)
Rampant child labor (12,000,000 work instead of going to school, a big chunk of them in bonded slave labor)
Rapes of lower-caste women with impunity
Killings of lower-caste men with impunity
Discrimination of lower-caste members
Subjugation of religious/ethnic minorities by gov
Staged fake-encounter killings by police in name of terrorism
Countless minority groups fighting for freedom
etc

FTW!!!

And I also know what your answer is going to be to the above.

As regards your post, I have already said that yes, all those countries you mentioned, have horrible human rights records. I am not arguing that. I might be from one of those countries on the list, and I might live in another one from the same list, but that doesn't blind me from reality, and I am not afraid to call a spade a spade.

But you, whenever someone brings up human rights abuses in India, you always dismiss it and bring up irrelevant shit, like, oh a minority member is PM, an untouchable was an MP, blah blah blah. As if that proves that rampant discrimination and abuse of women and untouchables can't exist in India. I mean, Pakistan had a woman PM, but WTF does that prove? NOTHING. Women are generally treated unfavorably, and in a lot of cases, horribly, in Pakistan. And so are they in India. And religious and ethnic minorities as well. And a lot of times, the authorities are complicit in the abuses, in both countries.

And oh, the funniest thing (or the saddest), you always say something like "but I never saw any of that abuse/discrimination in India".

Yeah no shit. First of all, that's the same answer that most upper-class Indians such as yourself, insulated from the realities of the life of 100's of millions, give. Second, no shit buddy, most of those abuses don't take place on the streets, and if they do, they don't take place on the streets of your rich neighbourhoods.

So go educate yourself and don't be blindly patriotic.

I said I wasn't going to discuss this, but I am breaking my own promise.

But now, I am really done with this. If you can't see it because you are so blindly nationalistic, nothing will make you see it. Unless one of those things in the list above befalls you or your family (almost impossible), you won't see it. It is like trying to prove to a blindly patriotic American that America has an ugly past vis-a-vis propping up dictators who committed genocide, etc. Or like trying to prove to some fanatic Muslim (who thinks America did 9/11) that Bin Laden really did do 9/11.

Ain't gonna work.


[Edited on May 12, 2007 at 4:29 PM. Reason : ]

5/12/2007 4:28:18 PM

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"you always say something like "but I never saw any of that abuse/discrimination in India"."

I have never said that....I was just pointing out the irony in this thread. Sorry to have offended you. BTW, when can I meet you up in Makkah/Medinah?

5/12/2007 4:29:54 PM

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"shit whole"

5/12/2007 4:34:39 PM

And that ends today's lesson in why there will be no peace in the middle east. Coming up next on NBC, stay tuned for the newest episode of Big Brother: Middle East, hosted by Pat Robertson and Al Sharpton.

5/12/2007 5:39:11 PM

Best thread ever!

5/12/2007 6:32:39 PM

my first successful thread in the Soap Box. /dance

I need to start making more of these.

on a more serious note.

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"And that ends today's lesson in why there will be no peace in the middle east."

you do realize that India is not a part of the middle east?

[Edited on May 12, 2007 at 8:10 PM. Reason : fda]

5/12/2007 8:08:23 PM

Yeah, but I'm lazy.

5/12/2007 8:22:17 PM

I'm still waiting for links to books read the original poster mentioned in another thread. He is so educated and well read, that he didn't bother to hang around in a thread he got abused in to tell me his sources.

5/12/2007 10:46:56 PM

DEYZ ALL BROWN TO US HERR IN AMERIKAZ.

5/13/2007 12:53:13 AM