thegoodlife3 All American 39305 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/05/13/faked.attack.ap/index.html
Quote : | " Teachers stage fake gunman attack on sixth graders
MURFREESBORO, Tennessee (AP) -- Staff members of an elementary school staged a fictitious gun attack on students during a class trip, telling them it was not a drill as the children cried and hid under tables.
The mock attack Thursday night was intended as a learning experience and lasted five minutes during the weeklong trip to a state park, said Scales Elementary School Assistant Principal Don Bartch, who led the trip.
"We got together and discussed what we would have done in a real situation," he said.
But parents of the sixth-grade students were outraged.
"The children were in that room in the dark, begging for their lives, because they thought there was someone with a gun after them," said Brandy Cole, whose son went on the trip.
Some parents said they were upset by the staff's poor judgment in light of the April 16 shootings at Virginia Tech that left 33 students and professors dead, including the gunman.
During the last night of the trip, staff members convinced the 69 students that there was a gunman on the loose. They were told to lie on the floor or hide underneath tables and stay quiet. A teacher, disguised in a hooded sweat shirt, even pulled on a locked door.
After the lights went out, about 20 kids started to cry, 11-year-old Shay Naylor said.
"I was like, 'Oh My God,' " she said. "At first I thought I was going to die. We flipped out."
Principal Catherine Stephens declined to say whether the staff members involved would face disciplinary action, but said the situation "involved poor judgment."" |
fucking ridiculous
if i had a kid who was on that trip, i would be going absolutely insane right now5/13/2007 11:51:12 PM |
umbrellaman All American 10892 Posts user info edit post |
Why did they decide that this would be a good idea? 5/13/2007 11:53:10 PM |
drunknloaded Suspended 147487 Posts user info edit post |
stuff like this makes me want kids to carry guns so like when adults pull some shit like this the kids can blow their fucking heads off 5/13/2007 11:54:24 PM |
AndyMac All American 31922 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah, kids with guns would be a fantastic idea.
I don't know how the teachers can pull some stuff like this, but if a kid has a Nerf gun he gets expelled. 5/13/2007 11:57:15 PM |
AxlBonBach All American 45550 Posts user info edit post |
i'm sorry
but i'm laughing my ass off over here 5/14/2007 12:08:03 AM |
firmbuttgntl Suspended 11931 Posts user info edit post |
Kids should know their life hangs on a thread! 5/14/2007 12:15:49 AM |
LiusClues New Recruit 13824 Posts user info edit post |
I'm in Franklin, TN. It's a pretty big deal down here.
I think it's just harmless pranking. Coincidence? Yes. Eternal mental scars? No. 5/14/2007 12:19:01 AM |
Fry The Stubby 7784 Posts user info edit post |
but is it "crying wolf"? absolutely. be great when a real threat occurs and the kids hesitate wondering if it's more bull crap like this. that little stunt was stupid, end of story. 5/14/2007 1:36:37 AM |
JLCayton All American 2715 Posts user info edit post |
I wouldnt call it pranking...despite it being a little over the edge, it did serve a purpose 5/14/2007 5:43:34 AM |
Lutra All American 12588 Posts user info edit post |
You can bet I'd be pretty pissed if I were a parent. 5/14/2007 6:17:44 AM |
Smath74 All American 93278 Posts user info edit post |
we have gunman drills all the time at our school. 5/14/2007 6:32:59 AM |
Golovko All American 27023 Posts user info edit post |
pretty soon instead of gym class there will be self-defence, advanced weapons training, and mortal hand-to-hand combat training for all middle school grade lvls through high school. 5/14/2007 7:12:05 AM |
waffleninja Suspended 11394 Posts user info edit post |
administration gets away with this, but if you draw a picture of a gun on your notebook as a student, you get permanently expelled. 5/14/2007 8:16:42 AM |
Patman All American 5873 Posts user info edit post |
That was definitely bad judgment. Having a gunman drill could be a good idea, but there is no reason to pretend it's not a drill. 5/14/2007 8:31:08 AM |
sNuwPack All American 6519 Posts user info edit post |
whoa.
that's all i can say. 5/14/2007 8:33:44 AM |
Golovko All American 27023 Posts user info edit post |
they should have 'real' fire drills. because we all know no one is going to go outside in single file line. 5/14/2007 8:49:01 AM |
rjrumfel All American 23027 Posts user info edit post |
boo fuckin hoo
People need thicker skin these days
The outrage from this is why this country is full of pussies these days
I'm not trying to troll, I'm just trying to keep us from becoming like France 5/14/2007 8:56:42 AM |
drunknloaded Suspended 147487 Posts user info edit post |
they need to scare us to prepare us now a days
similar to 9/11 and the buildup to the iraq war
i think france won on that one... 5/14/2007 9:00:35 AM |
rjrumfel All American 23027 Posts user info edit post |
oh, I was just saying France is, and always has been, a country full of pussies 5/14/2007 9:07:31 AM |
Smath74 All American 93278 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "boo fuckin hoo
People need thicker skin these days
The outrage from this is why this country is full of pussies these days
I'm not trying to troll, I'm just trying to keep us from becoming like France" |
there is a difference between having thick skin and needlessly terrorizing 11 year old students in the aftermath of the recent Va Tech shootings.5/14/2007 9:14:03 AM |
BobbyDigital Thots and Prayers 41777 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Having a gunman drill could be a good idea, but there is no reason to pretend it's not a drill." |
5/14/2007 9:18:33 AM |
LiusClues New Recruit 13824 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "oh, I was just saying France is, and always has been, a country full of pussies" |
5/14/2007 9:44:35 AM |
Mr E Nigma All American 5450 Posts user info edit post |
Well, i'm sure parents will try and sue. 5/14/2007 9:46:48 AM |
treznor All American 5218 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "there is a difference between having thick skin and needlessly terrorizing 11 year old students in the aftermath of the recent Va Tech shootings." |
AGREED this was ridiculously stupid on the teachers' part!5/14/2007 10:54:12 AM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
there is nothing wrong with being prepared 5/14/2007 10:58:15 AM |
scm011 All American 2042 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "20 kids started to cry" |
6th graders? what a bunch of pussies. they didn't even hear or see a gun.5/14/2007 11:07:11 AM |
agentlion All American 13936 Posts user info edit post |
^^ sure, but what does this incident have to do with preparing for anything 5/14/2007 11:10:07 AM |
Golovko All American 27023 Posts user info edit post |
just stop fucking picking on your classmates and you won't have to worry about getting shot in the face. Kids these days are filled with hate. I have no sympathy for when this shit happens. (the shootings, not the drills) 5/14/2007 11:14:29 AM |
umbrellaman All American 10892 Posts user info edit post |
^Ya rly. Children can be so fucking cruel to one another. 5/14/2007 11:45:52 AM |
ShinAntonio Zinc Saucier 18947 Posts user info edit post |
I can't believe anyone could think something like this would be a good idea. 5/14/2007 11:54:48 AM |
sarijoul All American 14208 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "just stop fucking picking on your classmates and you won't have to worry about getting shot in the face. Kids these days are filled with hate. I have no sympathy for when this shit happens. (the shootings, not the drills)
" |
they obviously deserve to be shot for being brats.
[Edited on May 14, 2007 at 12:06 PM. Reason : grammar]5/14/2007 12:06:03 PM |
Golovko All American 27023 Posts user info edit post |
^they don't deserve my sympathy or to be put one the news with their lame boohoos. Suddenly they're all saints when the shit hits the fan. 5/14/2007 12:10:58 PM |
sarijoul All American 14208 Posts user info edit post |
what a douche you are. 5/14/2007 12:14:32 PM |
Byrn Stuff backpacker 19058 Posts user info edit post |
It was definitely stupid to go about it this way, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. We have lockdown drills, bomb threat drills, and the like pretty often, and the students never take them seriously. When we're hiding in the dark trying not to draw attention to ourselves, they don't shut up. I can see the same thing happening if there were ever a need for this. If the threat isn't in their faces, it isn't real.
[Edited on May 14, 2007 at 12:17 PM. Reason : .] 5/14/2007 12:16:36 PM |
Golovko All American 27023 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "what a douche you are." |
likewise.5/14/2007 12:33:27 PM |
BobbyDigital Thots and Prayers 41777 Posts user info edit post |
I guess we know how Golovko's high school experience went. 5/14/2007 12:43:06 PM |
rjrumfel All American 23027 Posts user info edit post |
I agree with golovko
Society says its ok for kids to pick on one another as it is "part of growing up"
I think thats bullshit 5/14/2007 1:55:33 PM |
BobbyDigital Thots and Prayers 41777 Posts user info edit post |
you can't stop it without watching every kid every second of every day.
All you can do is teach kids to stand up for themselves.
But most parents tend to pussify their kids. 5/14/2007 1:57:47 PM |
Golovko All American 27023 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I guess we know how Golovko's high school experience went." |
you would be wrong to assume so. My high school experience was quite awesome. But I still managed not to alienate other people because they were different or unpopular. No reason to pick on people because they are different then you, or have something wrong (from your point of view) with them that they can't change.
Quote : | "you can't stop it without watching every kid every second of every day.
All you can do is teach kids to stand up for themselves.
But most parents tend to pussify their kids." |
no need to stop it or watch the kids 24/7. It all boils down to how they are raised. Raise your kids right and they won't torment less fortunate kids in school.
[Edited on May 14, 2007 at 1:59 PM. Reason : fda]5/14/2007 1:57:52 PM |
BobbyDigital Thots and Prayers 41777 Posts user info edit post |
^^As much racist shit as you post about black people, I'm going to have to call bullshit.
^ that only works on your own kids. Some parents just don't give a shit, and that element will always be present]] 5/14/2007 2:00:27 PM |
Golovko All American 27023 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^^As much racist shit as you post about black people, I'm going to have to call bullshit." |
lol. I'm not racist. I do post racist stuff, but thats just posting. Most of the stuff I say on TWW does not reflect my real life opinion. Most people on here are too immature to have a real discussion with, so i just join in on the shenanigans.
Quote : | "^ that only works on your own kids. Some parents just don't give a shit, and that element will always be present" |
Well if some parents just don't give a shit then thats their problem. Can't save them all.5/14/2007 2:32:48 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41754 Posts user info edit post |
5/14/2007 2:41:13 PM |
tracer All American 13876 Posts user info edit post |
what i saw on the news today said that the teachers every year pull a prank on the kids. this was just not a well timed prank, if there ever is a good time to fake a gunman on the loose that is. i'd think the better prank would be makin em think the buses left em on the morning they were supposed to leave. thats classic and nobody fears for their life. its win/win. 5/14/2007 7:16:53 PM |
God All American 28747 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "be great when a real threat occurs and the kids hesitate wondering if it's more bull crap like this." |
That's why I never believe tornados are actually coming...5/14/2007 9:01:15 PM |
drunknloaded Suspended 147487 Posts user info edit post |
north carolina isnt at the top of the list of tornado states anyways 5/14/2007 9:03:20 PM |
puppy All American 8888 Posts user info edit post |
that is awful, scaring kids like that. These parents have a right to be angry. 5/15/2007 5:48:16 PM |
Golovko All American 27023 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "what i saw on the news today said that the teachers every year pull a prank on the kids. this was just not a well timed prank, if there ever is a good time to fake a gunman on the loose that is. i'd think the better prank would be makin em think the buses left em on the morning they were supposed to leave. thats classic and nobody fears for their life. its win/win." |
OR tell them one day that they're getting a good education and that they will all grow up and fulfill their dreams.
it will be like a life long prank. many years later they will realize the prank part.
[Edited on May 15, 2007 at 8:47 PM. Reason : fda]5/15/2007 8:47:01 PM |
Kiwi All American 38546 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " Parents rally behind teachers who faked gunman attack on students
By TOSHEENA ROBINSON-BLAIR Gannett Tennessee
Parents are rallying behind the two Scales Elementary School educators who were suspended after pulling a prank during a field trip at a state park where they told 69 sixth-graders that a gunman was on the loose.
"(Monday) night I received at least 15 phone calls from parents wanting to know how they can help the educators out," said Cherry Ross, who heads the school's Parent Teacher Organization with her husband, David.
On Monday, Marilyn Mathis, director of Murfreesboro City Schools, suspended Assistant Principal Don Bartch and teacher Quentin Mastin for the part they played in the prank. They were suspended without pay until the school year ends June 1.
Although a PTO meeting is set for Thursday, Ross said the suspensions aren't on the agenda.
"There is nothing to discuss because we trust the administration to do what is right. We weren't there," Ross said.
The prank occurred last Thursday during a weeklong trip to Fall Creek Falls State Park, about 90 miles east of Murfreesboro. The students were told that there was a gunman on the loose and they had to take cover. Some got upset and started to cry.
"It was just an error in judgment. A lot of people feel that the suspension is tough. However, the suspension is not anything compared to the personal feelings and regret that these people have," said Cheryl Harris, the district's spokeswoman.
Although some parents were outraged that teachers would scare the students in such a manner, Harris said Tuesday that Nancy Burton, the school's guidance counselor, had only seen two students in the wake of the incident.
Harris said the educators were just staging a prank, not drilling the students for an emergency.
Bartch has been quoted in newspapers portraying the incident as a planned learning experience for the children.
Reached at his home Tuesday, Bartch said he agreed with Harris' version of events.
Two teachers and an Extended School Program employee, working as a chaperone, were also involved in the incident, according to Harris.
However, the school district ruled their part to be minor and declined to identify the employees.
Ross, the PTO head, said the incident "has been blown out of proportion."
"My child is in the safest environment, and we are picky parents. My heart just aches for Mr. Bartch and what he has been put through."
Jessica Giles, an assistant professor of psychology at Vanderbilt University who studies the consequences of violence and trauma on children, suggested that regardless of whether the incident was a drill or a prank, the effect on the children would probably be the same.
"If it was a prank or a learning experience, does it matter?" she said.
"Can you clean up later?"
It is reasonable to expect that at least some of those students might suffer from "increased amounts of fear about violence and school shootings and increased distrust for authority figures," she said." |
5/16/2007 12:15:37 PM |
JP All American 16807 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "sure, but what does this incident have to do with preparing for anything" |
5/16/2007 12:32:27 PM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
kids have been mean to other kids all along
this isn't anything new 5/16/2007 12:58:54 PM |