http://www.shoutmouth.com/index.php/news/12829

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"40. Built to Spill – Keep It Like a Secret - 3.5 Stars; Changed to 4 in AG 39. De La Soul – 3 Feet High and Rising – 3 Stars; Changed to 5 in AG 38. Panda Bear – Person Pitch – 3.5 Stars 37. Mogwai – Happy Songs for Happy People – 3 Stars; 4 in AG 36. Pink Floyd – Animals – No initial rating; 2 in AG 35. Jay-Z - The Blueprint - 3.5 Stars; 5 in AG 34. The Grateful Dead – Europe '72 – No initial rating; 3 Stars in AG 33. Joanna Newsom – Ys - 2 Stars 32. Dire Straits – Brothers in Arms – No initial rating; 4.5 in AG 31. Black Flag – Damaged - Not initially reviewed; 4.5 Stars in AG 30. The Strokes – Is This It? – 4 Stars, 5 in AG 29. Pavement – Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain – 4 Stars; Changed to 5 in AG 28. Bob Marley – Exodus – No initial rating; 4 in AG 27. Arcade Fire - Funeral - 4 Stars 26. GZA – Liquid Swords – No initial review; 4 Stars in AG 25. Elliott Smith – Either/Or – Not initially reviewed, 3.5 in AG 24. Echo & The Bunnymen – Songs to Learn and Sing – Not initially reviewed; 4 Stars in AG 23. Gang Starr – Daily Operation – 4 Stars; Changed to 5 in AG 22. Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young – Déjà Vu – 4 Stars in both 21. Beck – Odelay - 4 Stars; Changed to 5 in AG 20. Cocteau Twins – Treasure - Not initially reviewed; 3.5 in AG 19. John Coltrane – Giant Steps – Not initially reviewed; 4.5 in AG 18. Notorious B.I.G. – Ready to Die – 4 Stars, 5 in AG, 5 in 2005 issue 17. Sigur Ros – ( ) – 4 Stars, 3 in AG 16. Devo – Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo – Not initially reviewed; 4 Stars in AG 15. Guided by Voices – Bee Thousand – 4 Stars in both 14. White Stripes – Get Behind Me Satan – 4.5 Stars 13. The Cure – Disintegration – 4 Stars; Changed to 5 in AG 12. The Replacements – Tim – Not initially reviewed, 4.5 in AG 11. Lou Reed – Transformer – No initial rating, 4 in AG, 4.5 in 2002 issue 10. Nirvana – Catalog 9. Wu-Tang Clan – Enter the Wu-Tang – 4 Stars, 5 in AG 8. Flaming Lips – Soft Bulletin – 3 Stars, Changed to 5 in AG- Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots – 4 Stars in both 7. Pixies – Doolittle – 3.5 Stars, 4.5 in AG, 5 in 2002 issue 6. Led Zeppelin - Houses of the Holy – Not initially rated, 4.5 in AG, 5 in 2003 issue 5. Neutral Milk Hotel – In the Aeroplane Over the Sea – 3 Stars, 4 in AG 4. Pearl Jam – Ten – 4 in both 3. Talking Heads - Catalog 2. Wilco – Yankee Hotel Foxtrot – 4 Stars, 5 in AG 1. Radiohead - Catalog "

I've been listening to 25 non-stop for the past few weeks. All in all, not a bad list.

5/23/2007 2:19:06 PM

pablo honey shouldn't be on there, and there are some clunker talking heads albums too.

5/23/2007 2:31:38 PM

i want to see a list that DID get 5 stars

5/23/2007 7:05:22 PM

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"1. Radiohead - Catalog"

Damn right---- although, even as my favorite band, I'm not sure I would give Pablo Honey a 5. It's better than people give it credit for, and definitely worth a 4 compared to most shit that comes out, but that's the only record they have made that's not deserving of a 5.

5/23/2007 8:52:34 PM

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"1. Radiohead - Catalog Read 'em and weep: The Bends - 4 Stars, 5 in AG OK Computer - 4 Stars, 5 in AG Kid A - 4 Stars, 5 in AG Amnesiac - 3.5 Stars, 4.5 in AG Hail to the Thief - 4 Stars, 5 in AG The unwillingness to give Radiohead a 5 Star review upon initial listen is so wildly out-of-touch and insane, I can't even comprehend it. Get a grip, Rolling Stone, and give the artists their due, the first time around, when they deserve it. (By the way, Amnesiac kicks ass)."

they don't list pablo honey

5/23/2007 9:05:17 PM

Well, damn. I just assumed they would considering they listed "catalog". Weird. I mean, I didn't think they would list the Airbag: How am I Driving? EP, but thought for sure they included Pablo Honey.

5/23/2007 9:11:22 PM

the airbag ep is way better than pablo honey

so is the itch ep, for that matter

5/23/2007 9:12:34 PM

a big fucking wah to this writer. who the fuck cares what rolling stone rates the shit, particularly when they got 4's (or 4's changed to 5's).

5/23/2007 9:22:52 PM

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"The Grateful Dead – Europe '72"

Isn't that the one where the live recording quality was so bad that the band ended up re-dubbing the majority of it in the studio?

5/23/2007 9:26:52 PM

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"the airbag ep is way better than pablo honey"

Definitely. For "Pearly*" and "Polyethylene" alone.

5/23/2007 11:09:01 PM

Keep it Like a Secret is a perfect album to me.

[Edited on May 24, 2007 at 12:55 AM. Reason : .]

5/24/2007 12:55:11 AM

Who gives a shit what Rolling Stone thinks about an album?

5/24/2007 3:52:22 PM

i didn't know people still read RS

5/24/2007 3:54:10 PM

i agree with the majority of that list

the 2 star review for joanna newsom was even funnier after you read it, the guy called it an EP and it was obvious he hadn't even listened to it

5/24/2007 3:58:33 PM

radiohead sucks


0 out of 5

5/24/2007 4:10:54 PM

your trolling attempt sucked

0 out of 5

5/24/2007 4:17:48 PM

not trolling if its true.

5/24/2007 4:18:34 PM

shaggy sucks
1/5

5/24/2007 4:22:21 PM

I should go make a website so i can post how the shitty things i like are awesome.

5/24/2007 4:24:15 PM

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"shaggy sucks 1/5"

Damn, that's generous.

5/24/2007 5:20:46 PM

^^haha, yeah, I guess things receiving 4.5 stars from soem magazine are considered "shitty" ?

your logic is impeccable

5/24/2007 11:06:22 PM

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"13. The Cure – Disintegration – 4 Stars; Changed to 5 in AG"

5/24/2007 11:40:17 PM

^^ I guess those ratings have absolutely nothing to do with any human subjectivity

your logic is impeccable

5/25/2007 2:42:34 AM

amnesiac is my favorite radiohead album...5 stars in my book

5/25/2007 4:10:54 AM

this thread is beyond dumb.

5/25/2007 8:17:51 AM

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"i didn't know people still read RS"

I saw a slickdeal for $2.95 subscription to RS for a year, so I picked it up just to check it out. And I have to admit, whatever it was about RS that made it the magazine on the pulse of music and the culture back in the day is definitely gone. It feels like a slightly less annoying version of MTV with a lot of liberal propaganda sprinkled in for filler material.

5/25/2007 9:02:54 AM

The first stone roses album should no doubt be on there. I'll go out on a limb and say Sufer Rosa as well

5/25/2007 9:27:05 AM

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"^^ I guess those ratings have absolutely nothing to do with any human subjectivity your logic is impeccable"

um, that doesn't really apply here.

5/25/2007 12:55:30 PM

why not?

something one person finds shitty, another may love

this includes 4.5/5 reviews

he can think whatever he wants: some random rating is just as subjective

5/25/2007 12:59:37 PM

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"radiohead sucks 0 out of 5"

removed any credibility.


this site is posting mostly that things that received high ratings already(and are often fairly widely considered good/great) should have received 5's, they aren't taking the movie little man and saying it should have won an oscar.

5/25/2007 1:07:37 PM

well I hate The Grateful Dead, including the album listed that's apparently "so good"

and I therefore really don't care that a bunch of hippies think it needs a 5 from some magazine

if he hates Radiohead that much, so be it

5/25/2007 1:10:34 PM

that doesn't make them "shitty"

[Edited on May 25, 2007 at 1:11 PM. Reason : asdf]

5/25/2007 1:11:09 PM

well The Grateful Dead are shitty to me

if he says Radiohead sucks, then he thinks they do

it says nothing about the quality of the band, which will ALWAYS BE SUBJECTIVE

there are not certain bands that are always better than others, or always good to everyone

maybe when you figure that out, you'll stop using Rolling Stone ratings as some indicator of quality

5/25/2007 1:15:10 PM

soft bulletin - 5
yoshimi - no lolz

5/25/2007 1:16:16 PM

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"maybe when you figure that out, you'll stop using Rolling Stone ratings as some indicator of quality"

do you just make up random shit as you go along?

5/25/2007 1:16:28 PM

no

you said that a 4.5/5 album wasn't "shitty"

that's just your opinion

5/25/2007 1:16:52 PM

you're right, if houses of the holy didn't get a 4.5 from RS, i would say "fuck it, that album sucks"

my biggest problem was him stating his opinion as fact, but i guess i shouldn't pay attn to that, especially on the wolf web.
i guess his statement also seemed like a blanket one, deeming much of the list as shitty.

i'm done



[Edited on May 25, 2007 at 1:20 PM. Reason : asdf]

5/25/2007 1:18:50 PM

I didn't say you would. I just think it's stupid to argue that Radiohead is good based on a subjective rating, that's all.

5/25/2007 1:19:50 PM

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"I saw a slickdeal for $2.95 subscription to RS for a year, so I picked it up just to check it out. And I have to admit, whatever it was about RS that made it the magazine on the pulse of music and the culture back in the day is definitely gone. It feels like a slightly less annoying version of MTV with a lot of liberal propaganda sprinkled in for filler material."

You should check out Paste Magazine. You may like it better (or, maybe not).

And, while I agree with StillFuschia that music is subjective, I believe that he was questioning the disdain the poster had for Radiohead and whether that had any merit beyond personal belief or flame post.

For example--- I fucking hate U2. I am, however, aware of their vast influence on many bands so I'm willing to give them their due. When you make a blanket statement like "Radiohead sucks", you're just setting yourself up for ridicule (and deservingly so). It's just ignorant in so many ways. Look how many of their records have debuted at #1, received critical acclaim and done so without much commerical help (eg. virtually zero video play on major channels). To me, that's an objective standard that just can't be denied, despite a personal/subjective taste.

Of course, even with my personal hate of U2, perhaps I only view them in a favorable light since Bono called Thom Yorke the "John Lennon of this generation". To each their own I guess...





[Edited on May 26, 2007 at 2:36 AM. Reason : .]

5/26/2007 2:29:39 AM

sometimes Bono says proposterous things

that would be a good example of one

5/26/2007 8:59:17 AM

YOUR OPINION IS NOT THE SAME AS MY OWN!!1 RAAAAR!!

5/26/2007 9:04:38 AM

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"well I hate The Grateful Dead, including the album listed that's apparently "so good" and I therefore really don't care that a bunch of hippies think it needs a 5 from some magazine"

Ever listened to American Beauty or Workingman's Dead?

The Dead reinvented themselves so many times, from blues to acid rock to folk to a more contemporary "modern rock" style, that I think it'd be difficult to hate their entire body of work. Even if you dislike their live style, the studio albums are tighter and display some great songwriting and musicianship. Garcia also put together some great bluegrass albums on the side.

As for the album in the list, I already pointed out that it shouldn't be there anyway...considering that it made the list for being "the best recording that has ever been done on the road" despite the fact that it actually wasn't recorded on the road.

5/26/2007 11:01:44 AM