That a large segment of the Mexican population believes that the southwest US is rightfully theirs and therefore that they are entitled to it. I heard this is true, and if you look at the protests last year where half of them were flying the Mexican flag, id say it is true. Also, it is a common known fact that La Raza holds this belief.

Discuss

6/2/2007 2:35:15 AM

Haha.

Who cares?

6/2/2007 2:40:39 AM

Polls have shown this to be the case, but I don't think the mexicans seriously believe it.

I would think it's kind of like the native americans who probably think the same way, but it's not like they would or could do anything about it.

America is probably the largest country on the planet though that has a predominantly non-aborginal population.

6/2/2007 2:52:34 AM

yes, but you get enough of them in the population and boom, a separatist movement begins

6/2/2007 2:53:19 AM

What would this movement fight for? The main difference between mexicans and americans is language, culturally and religiously, we're pretty similar. It's like Quebec. There's people who want to separate, but there's no good reason to, and they don't really gain any traction.

6/2/2007 3:09:02 AM

The existence of a so-called "separatist movement," in and of itself, is unimportant. Hell, the Scots have something along those lines to this day, but even the ringleaders of that movement have been known to say that they never actually want to acheive real independence.

Bitching about it brings them unity, and brings us very little negative impact. I say, let them have it.

If nothing else, this whole "Mexican flag" nonsense is irrelevant; it is a banner under which many of them can claim a heritage, nothing more. Rednecks waving Confederate flags (of whatever type) are not actually, seriously requesting the re-establishment of the Confederate States. They merely want recognition for a common heritage. The same goes for Hispanics -- they just want to be one cohesive unity, for a number of reasons.

Besides, all else aside, you can't reasonably expect that a transfer of formerly Mexican states to Mexico will ever occur in the next millennia. Believe it or not, Hispanics know this as well.

6/2/2007 4:13:55 AM

^^I think we're culturally and religiously quite different.

6/2/2007 4:16:57 AM

Mexican Military v. US Military. We'll be in the mood for en ego boost after Iraq.

6/2/2007 7:27:26 AM

Remember the Alamo!

6/2/2007 8:10:06 AM

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"culturally and religiously, we're pretty similar"

damn, what a moronic thing to say.

you saying "white" culture and mexican culture is pretty similar?

6/2/2007 9:13:18 AM

Mexicans and Irish are pretty much the same people.

6/2/2007 10:13:22 AM

mexicans and italians are arguably quite similar, but i do believe germany has the most people here from that nifty chart someone had. mexic-anz and germans might not mesh to neatly.

[Edited on June 2, 2007 at 10:22 AM. Reason : though italians get pissed when you say so.]

6/2/2007 10:22:17 AM

well, how do you define ownership of a country? Technically, they DO own it, since their ancestors were here first. We colonized it.

6/2/2007 10:36:20 AM

guess who wins that round DG

6/2/2007 11:02:31 AM

The statute of limitations has expired in relation to the South West.

6/2/2007 12:00:21 PM

Here's one difference between Mexico and the US...

Mexico is culturally a lot more homogeneous than the US is.

6/2/2007 3:48:53 PM

They will do to us what Albanians did to Serbia with Kosovo.

6/2/2007 4:39:12 PM

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"Technically, they DO own it, since their ancestors were here first. We colonized it"

too bad they rightfully sold it to us

6/2/2007 4:41:33 PM

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"Also, it is a common known fact that La Raza holds this belief."

who do you think "La Raza" is? Do you think it's an institution with a clear policy and mission statement, and a homogeneous membership that follows in lockstep with whichever boogeyman statements you imagine its administration proclaims?

do you even know what the fuck you're talking about?

yeah, i didn't think so






[Edited on June 2, 2007 at 6:31 PM. Reason : ]

6/2/2007 6:27:39 PM

How come no one is talking about the Hawaiians trying to regain sovernty. Oh yeah, because, like this, it's never actually going to happen. Like Grumpy said, it just gives them a cause to congregate to.

6/2/2007 10:03:38 PM

^
The Hawaiians actually have a better case than the Mexicans.

But I doubt we'll give it back. We already have the design ready for the Hawaii State Quarter.

6/2/2007 10:18:38 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram

6/3/2007 7:49:03 PM

i have a large italian flag hangin in my apartment and an american flag uniform patch in my wallet. just because they fly the flag of their homeland doesn't mean they underappreciate america. they are staying mindful of their roots. for fucks sake the mere fact that they come here the way they do PROVES how much they love this country.

6/3/2007 8:55:15 PM

^ yes, because they are doing so much FOR it

who was that one guy who said...ask not...what was his name again...?

6/4/2007 8:49:52 PM

he was irish fuckhead

6/4/2007 9:02:54 PM

>.<

6/4/2007 9:07:31 PM

HEEEEEYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

italians are worthless on so many levels

6/4/2007 9:08:04 PM

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"yes, because they are doing so much FOR it"

anymore so than any of the other ignorant fucks who live here. i mean hell less than half of our country even votes. so don't pull bullshit about who does what for who

6/4/2007 9:50:30 PM

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"i mean hell less than half of our country even votes. so don't pull bullshit about who does what for who"

at least they pay taxes

6/5/2007 4:16:40 PM

and if they were REQUIRED by law to vote then you could say "at least they vote"

6/5/2007 10:00:08 PM

They should be required to vote; and yes, I would say that. I must be too thick to see your point. We aren't talking about the people in this country (legal citizens) who are lazy sacks of pooh who don't do anything. The issue we are discussing is illegal immigration and the illegal invasion of another country into our own.

6/5/2007 10:21:19 PM

but then who is going to work at all the chinese resturants?

6/5/2007 11:29:34 PM

I really do love this argument people have that boils down to, "It's wrong because it's illegal."

Sixty years ago you people would have been saying, "We're not talking about people who are just lazy, the issue we're discussing is illegal bathroom using and the illegal invasion of another race into bathrooms of our own."

And taxes? Please. THEY WOULD PAY TAXES IF WE LET THEM. An illegal worker can't pay income taxes without risking almost certain deportation. The xenophobic policy we currently follow punishes illegal immigrants FOR paying taxes and punishes the legal population for NOT paying taxes.

6/5/2007 11:48:39 PM

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"And taxes? Please. THEY WOULD PAY TAXES IF WE LET THEM. An illegal worker can't pay income taxes without risking almost certain deportation. The xenophobic policy we currently follow punishes illegal immigrants FOR paying taxes and punishes the legal population for NOT paying taxes."

i'm pretty certain they actually can do something like paying for taxes. there's some program for illegals to pay income taxes so as to build a case to support becoming legal residents. i don't know the details, but it exists, and some illegal immigrants do it. it certainly isn't a large portion of immigrants but it's unclear how much of that is due to fear of deportation, ignorance of the program or what.

[Edited on June 6, 2007 at 12:00 AM. Reason : .]

6/5/2007 11:59:53 PM

Well immigration is one of my pet issues and this is the first I've ever heard of it, so I should think awareness is a problem. Besides, there's a difference between having the option to pay taxes and being punished for not doing so.

6/6/2007 12:05:49 AM

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"Besides, there's a difference between having the option to pay taxes and being punished for not doing so."

certainly. i heard about this program on npr at some point, someone from the irs was talking about it. how it was hard to get across the message that the irs won't turn the people in.

6/6/2007 12:24:56 AM

sarijoul is right on with this one. The IRS has been pushing Individual Tax Identification Numbers for several years now. Here is the link:

http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96287,00.html

6/6/2007 12:35:11 AM

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"how it was hard to get across the message that the irs won't turn the people in."

It's hard to blame the illegals for not buying this. Half of the problems associated with them are in equal measure the fault of an American government who has given them every incentive to avoid interaction with its own agencies and necessary private institutions, and no incentive whatsoever to behave in the normal fashion.

The same thing happens when efforts are made to convince Hispanics that they can, say, go to doctors without fear of getting turned in. They say, "Oh yeah right, ese, suuuuuure they won't," and then won't go to a doctor until it's life threatening. Then they go to the ER, can't pay because the thing's gotten out of hand, and cost us money.

The only way to stop these things is to remove the constant threat of deportation for every illegal that shows his face.

6/6/2007 1:24:43 PM

Spain lost the fucking wars. Get over it.

6/6/2007 5:45:02 PM

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"The IRS has been pushing Individual Tax Identification Numbers for several years now."

ooh..we should try that, because the IRS is such a good way for the government to collect revenue.

here we go talking about taxes now...

http://www.fairtax.org

6/6/2007 7:36:02 PM

^^Mexico was independent of Spain when we won the Southwest from them.

6/6/2007 8:07:11 PM

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"Also, it is a common known fact that La Raza holds this belief."

i love how Republican18 left this worthless turd of a statement and then disappeared.

"its a common known fact"

o really? common to who? you? your crazy uncle? who commonly knows this?

do you even know who the fuck "La Raza" is?

i dont think you do.

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"I heard this is true"

another completely worthless flamebait thread from Republican18. posting this sort of made up shit just to start a race battle without any supporting evidence should be an automatic 3-day suspension.

6/6/2007 9:32:08 PM

I only read the initial post in this thread, so forgive me if this has been said:

Ok, let's say they were entitled to it and we just decided to give the southwest back to Mexico. How long would it take before all the Mexican flag waving protesters started moving north? My guess is that they would be moved and settled before the bill that would make it official even got to the House.

6/7/2007 8:34:54 AM

Gadsden Purchase

6/7/2007 9:57:43 AM

Incidentally, while there is an "organization" that is separatist, it is not the National Council of La Raza, whose goals include such horrendous crimes against the state as lobbying for better healthcare and education for the poor.

The people Republican was too stupid to be able to differentiate from the NCLR is the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, which consists of some students who have all of the political influence and relevance as you would expect a bunch of students to have.

6/7/2007 12:10:03 PM

they're basically and outdoor centralized hispanic version of tww

6/7/2007 4:05:34 PM

^^^ That was only south NM and AZ.

We got the rest of the southwest after picking a fight with Mexico, then "buying" it after we creamed them.

6/7/2007 4:11:05 PM