http://www.2snaps.tv/981680

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"In celebration of Michael Moore’s much anticipated documentary Sicko, the animal rights group PETA told him he was “fat.” PETA sent a letter to Moore slamming his documentary on the U.S.’s poor healthcare system because they feel he is in poor health himself according to MSN. “There’s an elephant in the room, and it is you,” says Ingrid Newkirk, President of PETA in a letter to Moore that also called him a hypocrite."

6/27/2007 3:58:21 PM

PETA is a bunch of assholes.

Michael Moore is an asshole.

and thats all that I have to say about that.

6/27/2007 4:02:26 PM

PETA > Micheal Moore

6/27/2007 4:05:34 PM

peta is really fucking crazy.

6/27/2007 4:07:20 PM

it is kind of ironic that someone who i'll say is not in peak physical condition is doing a movie about health care

its kind of like a really skinny guy being the chef at a nice restaurant

6/27/2007 4:09:29 PM

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6/27/2007 4:09:36 PM

^^^true,

and yet,

PETA > Michael Moore



[Edited on June 27, 2007 at 4:10 PM. Reason : []

6/27/2007 4:09:58 PM

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"it is kind of ironic that someone who i'll say is not in peak physical condition is doing a movie about health care"

no, it's not

6/27/2007 4:16:03 PM

well i'm guessing in this movie that he comes across as being informed about health care

and if so, yes it is quite ironic

because he doesnt look like he's informed about healthcare

6/27/2007 4:18:49 PM

Fatties like Michael Moore are a huge drain on the health care system.

I would call it more hypocritical than ironic.

6/27/2007 4:19:48 PM

It's really only ironic or hypocritical if Moore himself requires a lot of healthcare services due to his obesity

[Edited on June 27, 2007 at 4:23 PM. Reason : s]

6/27/2007 4:23:32 PM

What I dont understand is why PETA has a beef with him about this movie. How does this affect their agenda in any way?

6/27/2007 4:26:04 PM

they probably just figure that in his process of becoming a fatso, he probably ate some meat...and if you've ever eaten meat i'm sure PETA has a problem with you

6/27/2007 4:26:56 PM

PETA needs the publicity.

I'm sure that they've scared off a lot of the celebrities who jumped on their bandwagon years ago.

6/27/2007 4:35:57 PM

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"PETA is a bunch of assholes. Michael Moore is an asshole. and thats all that I have to say about that."

6/27/2007 4:39:41 PM

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"they probably just figure that in his process of becoming a fatso, he probably ate some meat...and if you've ever eaten meat i'm sure PETA has a problem with you "

I saw that they also urged him to become a vegetarian in the letter too, so you're probably right.

6/27/2007 4:41:21 PM

if PETA wanted publicity they should convince some more hot vegan/vegetarian chicks to pose in some of those "I'd rather wear nothing at all than wear fur" ads or whatever

6/27/2007 4:47:47 PM

they need to just strike up an ad deal/extended contract for some photo shoots/ads in playboy or something, but any amount of publicity won't help b/c thier views are so wacked out.

6/27/2007 4:55:37 PM

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"its kind of like a really skinny guy being the chef at a nice restaurant"

huh?

i don't see what's ironic/contradictory/hypocritical in that scenario, unlike in the michael moore doing a healthcare documentary scenario.


[Edited on June 27, 2007 at 5:13 PM. Reason : ]

6/27/2007 5:11:19 PM

^its just the idea that if he's really a great cook, he should be fat, cause he makes good enough food that he wants to eat it

if a great cook is skinny, they dont seem like a great cook at first glance...but if you see a fat cook, you're like "thats a good cook" because he eats...im rambling but thats the basic idea

6/27/2007 5:14:32 PM

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"What I dont understand is why PETA has a beef with him about this movie. How does this affect their agenda in any way? "

PETA doesn't have beef with Michael Moore, it has tofu with him... or something like that. Anyway, PETA are just a bunch of loud fanatical pricks who are willing to do anything to draw attention to themselves, and, by extension, their insane cause.

As far as the rest of you are concerned, the fact that Michael Moore, a morbidly obese person, is criticizing our healthcare system doesn't make his points any less valid. Skinny people have just as much trouble getting healthcare without paying out the ass and dealing with other issues as fat people in the U.S.

6/27/2007 5:32:21 PM

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"ts kind of like a really skinny guy being the chef at a nice restaurant"

Dumbest analogy I've ever read on the internet.

...I frequent car forums as well.

6/27/2007 5:44:32 PM

Celebrity Deathmatch:

PETA v. Michael Moore with Morgan Spurlock as referee and Charlton Heston as announcer.

6/27/2007 5:50:12 PM

its like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife

6/27/2007 5:55:17 PM

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"PETA doesn't have beef with Michael Moore, it has tofu with him... "

aha

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"skinny guy being the chef"

I've never thought that analogy was any good, either….

I'm 6 foot, and have never weighed over 200 lbs., and I'm one of the best chefs I've ever met.

btw,
a chef isn't a someone who loves to cook (and gorge on) every kind of butter and cream covered meat...
....a chef is someone who knows how to cook virtually everything, and be able to do it quickly and safely, under a variety of stressful conditions, for one person or for a banquet, and know that it tastes right.
I don't see how fatties could keep up….

6/27/2007 6:04:15 PM

its just an expression

in the simplest terms it means someone doesnt necessarily appear to be the most suited person to do/discuss a particular topic

ie a fat guy talking about health care

or a skinny guy talking about lots of food...even though chefs cook food and patrons of restaurants eat food

but anyways

6/27/2007 7:15:35 PM

what does michael moore's lack of fitness have to do with fucked up insurance system?

6/27/2007 8:43:59 PM

i guess nothing since he is rich enough to afford whatever but he's still a fatass

6/27/2007 9:20:41 PM

exaaaaaactly

6/27/2007 9:52:02 PM

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"PETA doesn't have beef with Michael Moore, it has tofu with him"

LMAO

6/27/2007 10:09:04 PM

holy shit this thread is filled with dumb

6/28/2007 12:07:56 AM

well there are two pretty dumb entities in the thread title

6/28/2007 12:09:48 AM

you may not agree with micheal moore, but i'd wager he's a pretty intelligent fellow

as for PETA, well, fuck them

6/28/2007 12:11:10 AM

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"PETA is a bunch of assholes. Michael Moore is an asshole. and thats all that I have to say about that."

6/28/2007 12:50:15 AM

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"if PETA wanted publicity they should convince some more hot vegan/vegetarian chicks to pose in some of those "I'd rather wear nothing at all than wear fur" ads or whatever"

True, but one of Hef's girlfriends wasn't hot enough for you?

And what are peoples' problems with PETA? Just curious. I am rather indifferent.

6/28/2007 1:41:16 AM

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"And what are peoples' problems with PETA? Just curious. I am rather indifferent."

they're like the mafia.

man i got on their list, and now they send me a shit ton of email. and call me occasionally to "remind" me of events. im afraid of PETA hitmen coming to get me if cancel, so i just use thunderbird to filter it all to another folder which i never read.

but when i log into gmail away from home, and someone is watching, they see like every third or fourth email in my web inbox from PETA and they think im some sort of activist. my dad about shit kittens when he watched me log into gmail from his house over Xmas.

he's a Rush/Hannity/O'Reilly guy, so i was feeling kind of //

6/28/2007 2:23:37 AM

Well there is no denying the guy's a fat-ass.

And PETA takes a generally good idea (treating animals humanely) and take it to a bat-shit crazy degree that I can't support.

6/28/2007 4:10:55 PM

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"I would call it more hypocritical than ironic."

Why? It makes perfect sense for someone like him to want universal health coverage.

By the way, I just saw the movie. It was excellent. The best film of his I've seen.

6/29/2007 1:44:43 AM

It is neither ironic nor hypocritical for a fat person to be interested in health care, nor is it a valid assumption to say that they're ill-informed because of their weight.

6/29/2007 1:28:55 PM

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"There’s an elephant in the room, and it is you"

6/29/2007 1:40:29 PM

^^ Right, misuse of both of those words.

For example it would be ironic if one of those kooky Christian fundamentalists that refuse medical care at hospitals was to do a documentary about how we should have universal health care.

The fact that he's a fatass would be ironic if he did a documentary on obesity.

[Edited on June 29, 2007 at 1:41 PM. Reason : ^]

6/29/2007 1:41:11 PM

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"And what are peoples' problems with PETA? Just curious. I am rather indifferent."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY



[Edited on June 29, 2007 at 3:02 PM. Reason : ]

6/29/2007 2:52:23 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/06/28/sicko.fact.check/index.html

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"By A. Chris Gajilan CNN Adjust font size: Decrease fontDecrease font Enlarge fontEnlarge font (CNN) -- Michael Moore's "Sicko," which opened nationwide Friday, is filled with horror stories of people who are deprived of medical service because they can't afford it or haven't been able to navigate the murky waters of managed care in the United States. It compares American health care with the universal coverage systems in Canada, France, the United Kingdom and Cuba. Moore covers a lot of ground. Our team investigated some of the claims put forth in his film. We found that his numbers were mostly right, but his arguments could use a little more context. As we dug deep to uncover the numbers, we found surprisingly few inaccuracies in the film. In fact, most pundits or health-care experts we spoke to spent more time on errors of omission rather than disputing the actual claims in the film. Whether it's dollars spent, group coverage or Medicaid income cutoffs, health care goes hand in hand with numbers. Moore opens his film by giving these statistics, "Fifty million uninsured Americans ... 18,000 people die because they are uninsured." (Review: "Sicko" a tonic despite flaws) For the most part, that's true. The latest numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Preventionexternal link say 46.3 million, or about 16 percent of Americans, were uninsured in 2006. For the past five years, the overall count has fluctuated between 41 million and 44 million people. According to the Institute of Medicineexternal link, 18,000 people do die each year mainly because they are less likely to receive screening and preventive care for chronic diseases. Moore says that the U.S. spends more of its gross domestic product on health care than any other country. Again, that's true. The United States spends more than 15 percent of its GDP on health care -- no other nation even comes close to that number. France spends about 11 percent, and Canadians spend 10 percent. Like Moore, we also found that more money does not equal better care. Both the French and Canadian systems rank in the Top 10 of the world's best health-care systems, according to the World Health Organizationexternal link. The United States comes in at No. 37. The rankings are based on general health of the population, access, patient satisfaction and how the care's paid for. So, if Americans are paying so much and they're not getting as good or as much care, where is all the money going? "Overhead for most private health insurance plans range between 10 percent to 30 percent," says health-care analyst Paul Keckley. Overhead includes profit and administrative costs. "Compare that to Medicare, which only has an overhead rate of 1 percent. Medicare is an extremely efficient health-care delivery system," says Mark Meaney, a health-care ethicist for the National Institute for Patient Rightsexternal link. Moore spends about half his film detailing the wonders and the benefits of the government-funded universal health-care systems in Canada, France, Cuba and the United Kingdom. He shows calm, content people in waiting rooms and people getting care in hospitals hassle free. People laugh and smile as he asks about billing departments and cost of stay. Not surprisingly, it's not that simple. In most other countries, there are quotas and planned waiting times. Everyone does have access to basic levels of care. That care plan is formulated by teams of government physicians and officials who determine what's to be included in the universal basic coverage and how a specific condition is treated. If you want treatment outside of that standard plan, then you have to pay for it yourself. "In most developed health systems in the world, 15 percent to 20 percent of the population buys medical services outside of the system of care run by the government. They do it through supplemental insurance, or they buy services out of pocket," Keckley says. The people who pay more tend to be in the upper income or have special, more complicated conditions. Moore focuses on the private insurance companies and makes no mention of the U.S. government-funded health-care systems such as Medicare, Medicaid, the State Children's Health Insurance Program and the Veterans Affairs health-care systems. About 50 percent of all health-care dollars spent in the United States flows through these government systems. "Sicko" also ignores a handful of good things about the American system. Believe it or not, the United States does rank highest in the patient satisfaction category. Americans do have shorter wait times than everyone but Germans when it comes to nonemergency elective surgery such as hip replacements, cataract removal or knee repair. That's no surprise given the number of U.S. specialists. In U.S. medical schools, students training to become primary-care physicians have dwindled to 10 percent. The overwhelming majority choose far more profitable specialties in the medical field. In other countries, more than one out of three aspiring doctors chooses primary care in part because there's less of an income gap with specialists. In those nations, becoming a specialist means making 30 percent more than a primary-care physician. In the United States, the gap is around 300 percent, according to Keckley. As Americans continue to spend $2 trillion a year on health care, everyone agrees on one point: Things need to change, and it will take more than a movie to figure out how to get there. "

6/29/2007 5:12:26 PM

I have not seen Mr. Moore's movie so I will not comment on it. I would like to point out that the 37 ranking is a bit misleading. The list takes the population's general health into consideration. When your in a country that has a population that is 64 percent overweight and 30 percent obese (Department of Health and Human Resources), your rank will slip a bit. This is not a problem that the Healthcare System can solve because by the time a persons obesity requires healthcare, it's too late. No matter how many times our doctors tell us to eat better and get more exercise we leave the office and do whatever the hell we feel like and to hell with the consequences. That is not a reflection on the quality of our healthcare.

[Edited on June 30, 2007 at 1:39 PM. Reason : As for PETA, they're fucking crazy]

6/30/2007 1:32:30 PM

^that's a good point about the overweight stuff and all

however, health care can't prevent it but can treat it. ie gastric bypass, etc. things that i'm sure a lot more fat people would have if they didn't cost so much. now you can make the argument that they don't deserve a break if they knew what they were doing themselves. however i recently saw a special about people who exercise a lot having to have multiple surgeries on knees and ankles. same premise here.

6/30/2007 2:30:15 PM

^ moderation is the word we're looking for here.

and i care little about what PETA and/or Michael Moore have to say

6/30/2007 4:27:43 PM

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"And what are peoples' problems with PETA? Just curious. I am rather indifferent"

Let's see, where to begin? For one thing, most people don't like it when other people tell them what to do. High school kids don't like it when authority figures tell them not to smoke, college kids don't like it when authority figures tell them not to drink, post-college adults don't like it when cops pull them over for speeding or when their bosses chew them out for not following some bullshit corporate policy, etc, etc. Similarly, people like me who eat meat and wear leather (which, by the way constitutes the majority of western population) don't like it when some animal rights freaks tell us not to do those things. There's also the fact that the members of PETA are hypocrits. They claim to want equal treatment for humans and animals, but the break into medical labs where drugs that could potentially alleviate the suffering of millions of humans are tested on animals to save a handful of animals. Also, they eat grains and vegetables and conveniently forget to mention all the animals killed by agricultural machinery during the harvesting of these plant foods.

Oh, and then there's the fact that their ideology is stupid. They argue that we should stop eating all the cows, pigs, chickens, etc, but what they never consider is what will hapen to those animals if we don't eat them. Businesses that raise them now won't raise them any more because they'll no longer be making a profit, and we can't release them back into the wild either because they've lost all their survival skills. Even if they were capable of living in the wild, look what happens to all the wild animals we don't eat -- other predators eat them. Whether humans eat cows/pigs/chickens whatever or not, they'll get eaten anyway. Well, these are my problems with that organization.

6/30/2007 5:17:18 PM

Ive been curious what would happen if I dumped a jar of spiders on a PETA member, and see if they take the time to delicately save the lives of the spiders, even it it means getting bit... or squishing them all in a mass genocide?

6/30/2007 11:05:38 PM

^They only care about cute mammals.

6/30/2007 11:32:11 PM

I'd certainly try to avoid injuring the spiders. I love spiders.

7/1/2007 2:25:39 AM