So i found a "mint" 01 LS (originally v8), pearl white sport package- absolutely beautifull car with perfect interior... Despite recent threads on the ls I still adore the looks and comfort of it.

The car has 45k on the odometer but needs an engine.... it would be silly (so it seems) to drop another 3.9L in it-


Any suggestions on beafing it up a bit???

7/11/2007 10:22:15 AM

4.6 mustang motor

7/11/2007 10:24:09 AM

5.0 son

7/11/2007 10:47:59 AM

^ [no]

7/11/2007 10:51:55 AM

why not?

i dont really know anything about it other than it is a 5.0 son

oh and if you do this, you should convert it to a manual

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 11:09 AM. Reason : 

7/11/2007 11:08:20 AM

^ its a pushrod engine as opposed to an overhead cam, not to mention the other 300 differences that would make it hard to swap and run in a fuel injected car, everything is different, as opposed to the 4.6 which is basically just plugging everything in, and it can meet emmisions standards for that car

7/11/2007 11:22:03 AM

durr... any ls* motor.

7/11/2007 12:40:04 PM

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"its a pushrod engine as opposed to an overhead cam, not to mention the other 300 differences that would make it hard to swap and run in a fuel injected car, everything is different, as opposed to the 4.6 which is basically just plugging everything in, and it can meet emmisions standards for that car"

makes sense

7/11/2007 1:21:07 PM

i would normally agree, but the 4.6 2v motor is JUNK. weak, and doesn't respond to any mods well at all. it's a turd. if i were comparing the two for a swap, i'd have to go with a 5.0 (assuming i didn't have to worry about passing obdII). the fi is dead simple and easy to wire on one.

4.6 4v cobra/lincoln motor is a different story as is the the most recent 4.6 3v in the 05+ stang.

who are we kidding though, this is never going to actually happen.

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 2:01 PM. Reason : .]

7/11/2007 2:00:31 PM

yeah- in all honesty this is certainly not something i would be attempting to do myself- I would need to hire someone to do the work and preferably an independant versus some over priced garage.... Either way- I am looking at spending $2500 for the ls and would like to keep the new motor under $3k..... Is that a realistic figure?

7/11/2007 2:32:40 PM

[no]

7/11/2007 2:39:04 PM

3k is realistic for another 3.9.

7/11/2007 2:42:13 PM

didnt jeepman, 69 and I just have this conversation last night??

LS is same powertrain as v8 jaguar S-type (and the jag is much much nicer i might add), or i should say very VERY similar... see if you can get a 4.6 mod motor in it but any which way but stock is gonna cost you a lot.

7/11/2007 5:02:12 PM

see if you can find a wrecked s-type R?

7/11/2007 6:01:52 PM

just sell the lincoln ls and buy an actual bmw

7/11/2007 6:34:45 PM

s-type R is a good idea but would be more like $-type R even wrecked, methinks.

Could you shoehorn a DOHC 4.6 in there? It's a wide engine, but they managed to stuff it under the mustang's hood...~290 HP if it's coming out of a Mark VIII, ~300 from a Marauder, ~320 from a Mach 1 or a '99-'01 Cobra...(don't bother with one out of a Continental, only 255 HP and some other weirdness since the Conti was FWD) It would be fun if it fit...

Also, the 3.9 gained something like 30 HP for the '03 model year. So an '03-up 3.9 would be an upgrade, albeit a small one. Anyone know if the vital stats on the 3.9 when put in a Thunderbird were any different (though I imagine there aren't many wrecked T-birds sitting around as potential donors)

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 6:59 PM. Reason : d]

7/11/2007 6:56:13 PM

The 4.6 is not a direct swap, and would require extensive modification to work correctly. It's also not a turd IMO. I have it in my GT and love it.

I would go with another 3.9. Anything else just isn't worth it.

7/11/2007 11:32:47 PM

love it all you want, but the fact remains that a 2v is weak sauce in stock form. it takes a lot of work to get any kind of respectable power from one. the 4v/3v mod. motors are leaps and bounds ahead.

7/11/2007 11:52:47 PM

guy at work with a 96-97 mustang gt or somewhere around those years....he kept bothering me how he wants to race. finally i gave up and ran him he mentioned he has cams, intake, exhaust, and larger intake manifold. second gear roll from 40mph vs stock m3. by end of third i was 2 cars ahead. considering stock m3 is low 14s car, id call a 4.6 a slow turd. add to effect my ass weighs 240lb

7/11/2007 11:59:36 PM

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"2v is weak sauce "

And wont put up with too much abuse in my experience

7/11/2007 11:59:45 PM

s/c 5.4

7/12/2007 12:53:46 AM

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"The 4.6 is not a direct swap, and would require extensive modification to work correctly."

it's a piece of cake if you know anything whatsever about efi, hell i just swapped a 96 5.7 into a 98 4.3 k1500 and made a damn wiring harness for the entire thing

7/12/2007 1:54:48 PM

i don't know that the 4.6/3.9 share a common bellhousing. you're also looking at motor mount differences, etc. definitely a more involved swap than a 4.3-5.7. the wiring wouldn't be a major issue though.

7/12/2007 7:16:40 PM

^ exact same

7/12/2007 10:00:08 PM

as much as i hate to admit it.

the sct live wire tuner can flash the ecus of both motors so they have to be somewhat similar
i mean i'm sure some fab work for motor mounts (since the block architecture is different) and probably the bell housing (you may just want to swap transmissions too).

another thought would be the jag supercharged v8 and just snag its ecu too.

7/12/2007 10:47:57 PM

^^are you sure? like primer said, the 3.9 just an ajv8 jag motor from the 3.9/4.0/4.2 family. 4.6 is in the ford modular family, which shares a common ford bell with the 5.4 and 6.8 v10.

^uh, an sct tuner will work with a lot of things. just because you can use the same piece of hardware to load different software on two different vehicles doesn't make them similar.

[Edited on July 12, 2007 at 11:19 PM. Reason : .]

7/12/2007 11:13:36 PM

top half is the same, it just doesnt bolt all the way around to the pan, but it is still structurally sound

7/12/2007 11:16:57 PM

so by that matter the t-56 w/ mustang bellhousing could bolt to an aston v12?


[Edited on July 12, 2007 at 11:20 PM. Reason : ?]

7/12/2007 11:19:06 PM

^^what about flywheel, etc.?

^it might bolt to it, but that's the easy part. you've still got the nightmare of matching a clutch disc, flywheel, pressure plate, starter, etc.

[Edited on July 12, 2007 at 11:21 PM. Reason : .]

7/12/2007 11:20:31 PM

if the bell housing fits usually you can rig up some combo of flywheel and clutch to work.
and its not like a custom flywheel can't be made for slightly less than arm+leg.
but a bell housing is a diff story.

i thought typically you went with the pressure plate and disk from the transmission and tried to make a flywheel work.

[Edited on July 12, 2007 at 11:25 PM. Reason : .]

7/12/2007 11:23:29 PM

you've obviously never done any sort of custom swap like that. a bellhousing is the easy part.

yeah, you try to work with the transmission disc and pressure plate, but you've still got flywheel, starter, and input shaft length issues.

[Edited on July 12, 2007 at 11:27 PM. Reason : .]

7/12/2007 11:25:47 PM

i've done a couple but most weren't this weird and have been done before.
thus it was nearly plug and play (one was an auto though admittedly)

7/12/2007 11:30:24 PM

yeah, there are some swaps that are pretty custom, yet they've been done a few times so you know what list of bastard parts to get. i'm talking about swaps like this, where very few people if anyone has done it.

the toyota transmission we put behind Tuite's 3.5 isuzu would be another good example. one other person had done it with a mini truck transmission, but no one had done it with a tacoma transmission. it required hours of headache, looking in parts books, a gm clutch disc/throwout of all things, custom machined input shaft, etc.

an oddball swap to an auto can be a lot easier, but not neccessarily a breeze.

[Edited on July 12, 2007 at 11:38 PM. Reason : .]

7/12/2007 11:37:02 PM

1/4" plate and a plasma cutter + drill press will mate any engine to any tranny

7/12/2007 11:49:52 PM

^ Truer words have never been said.

7/13/2007 12:35:04 AM

does merchants even have a drill press??


in other words, NIGGA PLEASE



have you been introduced to Luis Nutts? he is your discount tire counterpart...

7/13/2007 12:39:21 AM

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"Luis Nutts"

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha



^ nigga, whats the deal with Igor's party, i aint driving tomorrow night, but ill drive your hungover ass the lake sat morning

7/13/2007 12:47:08 AM

ill allow it

7/13/2007 12:53:27 AM

no custom swap will ever be done to the vehicle in question.

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7/13/2007 12:09:48 PM

^winnAr

7/13/2007 7:26:06 PM

lol- well... I bought the car today and had to flat bed it back; so something is going to have to go in it

7/13/2007 9:16:36 PM

why would merchant's have a drill press?

Do you have a drill press of your own?

7/13/2007 11:16:56 PM

Supercharged 4.6L LS with 430 HP

http://media.ford.com/newsroom/feature_display.cfm?release=17691

7/13/2007 11:30:18 PM

^^yeah, i do. it's not that uncommon of a tool. pretty basic neccessity actually if you do any amount of fabrication.

7/14/2007 1:13:42 AM

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"lol- well... I bought the car today and had to flat bed it back; so something is going to have to go in it "

As I see it, these are your options:
-Simple and reasonably priced: '03+ 3.9 from another LS (newer to get the higher-hp version)
-Simple and not-so-reasonably priced: supercharged Jag V8 from an S-type R or XJR

-Less simple, still reasonably priced: 4.6 2V with bolt-ons (though I don't really know why you'd want to go this route)
-Less simple yet, but also still reasonable pricing: 4.6 3V or DOHC (should bolt up to the tranny if it's the same pattern as the 2V). You also might have clearance issues with the DOHC since it is a physically large engine, mainly in width, and possibly in height.

-Quite Difficult: Anything else.

7/14/2007 8:52:27 AM

just put the stock engine in it, it'll take you a day since its plug and play. Clean it up sell it, $$profit and buy something you really want.

I've done this a couple time now, going from
1993 toyota 4runner to - 1994 Land Cruiser - 1997 Wrangler to - 1999 Tacoma

made money on every one of them and moved up the ladder

[Edited on July 14, 2007 at 9:50 AM. Reason : ..]

7/14/2007 9:49:09 AM

this will never happen.

7/14/2007 9:59:33 AM

I love my LS

but if I wanted a car like that with monster power, it'd be a CTS-V in a few years.

"mint" /= "needs an engine"

7/17/2007 10:56:02 PM

Put a Honduhhhhh engine in it so you don't have to worry about it shitting out on you again.

7/17/2007 11:18:19 PM

Quote :

"this will never happen. "

7/18/2007 8:24:34 PM