Im a noob when it comes to guns, so hlep a brotha out.

Also, where would I go to attain a permit and how long does it usually take?
And what kind of gun would you recommend thats reliable, economical, and packs a punch.


Also, where are the shooting rangers around here.


Thx.

7/11/2007 3:33:45 PM

OLD

7/11/2007 3:34:11 PM

sherriff's office
few minutes to fill out the paperwork
week or so to get the permit

depends a lot on personal preference (revolver vs auto, caliber, size, brand)

http://www.PDHSC.com

7/11/2007 3:40:22 PM

reliable, econimical, packs a punch = shotgun at walmart. no permit required.

7/11/2007 3:42:41 PM

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=shooting+ranges+in+raleigh+nc&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

there are a few of the shooting ranges. Permits take a couple of days for the background check and you have to go to your counties sheriff's office.

As far as what to buy....

Handgun or rifle?

Price range?

7/11/2007 3:45:54 PM

no price range


hand gun... something not over the top.


But a nice gun thats easy to handle and packs a punch

7/11/2007 3:58:05 PM

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&content=40302


or I am actually looking to sell a sig p226 in .357 sig. PM me if interested for details

7/11/2007 4:02:26 PM

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"would I go to attain a permit and how long does it usually take?"

http://www.rtpnet.org/~wcso/pistol.html

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"no price range"

Heckler & Koch P7M13

7/11/2007 4:14:50 PM

my god...did you use the freaking search?:

7/11/2007 4:34:43 PM

Onenighter you really need to be more descriptive in what you want the gun for.

A Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan in 480Ruger is easy for me to handle and would pack a big punch...I don't think that's what you want though...

You want a range gun, a house gun, a concealed carry gun, a woods gun to go along with your rifle when hunting, a gun to bust caps in thugs?

7/11/2007 7:38:32 PM

You really need to go to a place like Davi's where you can handle all sorts of guns, shoot the ones you think you like, and then get one that suits you. I'm not saying buy from Davi's, but it'll give you a chance to see what you like, and what you don't like.

^^^^ I like the M&Ps, but I've heard issues with their 9mms having FTE problems and I'm not sure how I feel about the jointed trigger. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if someone made a solid metal replacement. I'm still seriously considering getting one.

I've got a J-frame .38 SPC Smith & Wesson revolver that I LOVE. Best $ / satisfaction ratio of any firearm I've ever purchased.

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 8:05 PM. Reason : .]

7/11/2007 8:01:24 PM

M&P mmmmmm
I've never wanted a useless duty pistol so much (I have a Sig already).
All of the problems have been fixed in the current production M&Ps. The biggest problem was defective frames didn't allow the mag catch to work properly resulting in mags that popped out when you didn't want them to pop out.

The triggers are the best of any striker fired semi.
Extremely short reset, nice and crisp (about like a well used P99). They're around the same pull weight of Glocks but they definately aren't mushy like a Glock.

7/12/2007 12:01:16 AM

I want a gun i could use for recreational shooting and one that can also be used to defend yourself from a home intruder/theft

7/12/2007 12:45:59 AM

If the M&P has indeed been fixed, and you're looking for a gun that you can comfortably plink with / defend yourself in the home, then the M&P, XD, Glock and Wilson Combat's ADP are good places to start looking.

7/12/2007 6:34:12 AM

get lives

7/12/2007 8:59:10 AM

I'd say the M&P is a good choice - all the ones I've held feel good in the hand and have a pretty natural feel. I think some of the new ones have interchangeable grips, so you can get one that fits you best.

As far as chambering, I'm completely partial to the .40 S&W - it's got easily manageable recoil and can fit nicely in a double-stack mag, but still packs a hell of a punch for a compact cartridge. It's not too expensive either, and a damn good round for the money, IMO.

http://tinyurl.com/ey877 - S&W M&P .40

[Edited on July 12, 2007 at 2:38 PM. Reason : linky]

7/12/2007 2:33:44 PM

i agree that one of the best ways to decide is to go to a gunshop and personally handle some of the firearms...just cause i'm partial to Taurus PT145s and Springfield XDs doesnt mean somebody else isnt partial to Sigs or Glocks

and then as far as caliber you want to find your own personal happy medium between stopping power, recoil and mag capacity (assuming semi auto)...I am partial to .45 but if you are "recoil sensitive" you might consider something smaller like a 9mm

7/12/2007 2:41:07 PM

^^ Big issue with the .40 S&W is that it is loaded to about the max for its casing pressure. A bullet setback during feeding can cause a catastrophic malfunction. Also, muzzle flip / impulse can be a bit for a beginner. No doubt it is an effective round though.

7/12/2007 10:08:39 PM

pm Stiletto

[Edited on July 12, 2007 at 10:26 PM. Reason : .]

7/12/2007 10:26:27 PM

fuck that guy...he killed himself

7/12/2007 10:30:52 PM

you are so dense

you have GOT to be an alias

7/12/2007 10:44:52 PM

Ruger .22 pistol--it's all you need. The ammo is cheap, it's fun to plink with, and you don't have to be concerned about a big kick. In addition, you should be able to become quite accurate with it, which should offset any concern about lack of knockdown power.

7/13/2007 1:39:03 AM

don't forget that you can go to ranges and usually they will have handguns that you can rent out for a few bucks. just have to use their ammo. this is a good way to get a feel for how a gun fires without making any commitment. never buy anything online unless you have held it first or are experienced and are well aware of what you are buying.

7/13/2007 8:18:42 AM

^^can't go wrong with a Ruger .22....I've got a MKII myself....but you CAN go BIGGER

7/13/2007 11:41:12 AM

steyr m9; that is all

7/13/2007 11:46:57 AM

^they still have the triangular/pointed sights? i personally didnt really care for those sights

7/13/2007 12:14:20 PM

yeah, they take some getting used to, but the tritium sights are 3-dot if you like that better and i'm sure you can get aftermarket sights that will fit

7/13/2007 12:26:31 PM

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"Ruger .22 pistol--it's all you need."

Not if you're looking for home defense. I mean, don't get me wrong, it is an outstanding firearm, but the .22LR is not a personal defense round. It'd probably be the best first pistol though, you'll do better learning your basics on a .22 than you would on a centerfire cartridge, and you'd find out if you really wanted a gun or not. If you don't find yourself going to the range at least once a month, you probably don't want it as much as you thought you would.

7/13/2007 12:38:58 PM

I finally got my hands on one of these babys.

7/13/2007 1:05:00 PM

thats just fucking bizzare. what is the $$ on those?

The first thing I thought of when I saw that was a LeMat, which is a cap & ball pistol with a 9 shot cylinder over a ~16 ga shotgun.

7/13/2007 4:05:12 PM

^that bottom barrel might have a bit of recoil

7/13/2007 4:06:27 PM

I saw that thing on the History Channel and I was unaccountably excited, and wondered why none of these companies that make artillery handguns have brought this back.

7/13/2007 7:35:35 PM

Uberti makes (made?) a LeMat reproduction.

7/13/2007 7:42:43 PM

^^ closest thing is a pepper box oh and i love sigs and HK's. if you don't know guns, revolvers are best because if it's loaded and u pull the trigger it's gonna fire.

7/13/2007 7:48:59 PM

^^^they wouldnt be legal in the US i'd imagine as it would essentially be a sawed off shotgun

7/13/2007 7:58:55 PM

Quote :

"thats just fucking bizzare. what is the $$ on those?"

about $800 then, ~1400 now.

i love it. mateba auto revolver. far less recoil than your standard .357mag. plus it's beautiful.

i need to get the other barrels and accessories for it.

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 9:06 PM. Reason : ooo]

7/13/2007 9:05:28 PM

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"^^^they wouldnt be legal in the US i'd imagine as it would essentially be a sawed off shotgun"

A black powder reproduction is legal because it is technically not a firearm. A smokeless version would be different.

^ Yeah, I hunted down what that was. For all this crap about 9mm v .45 v .40S&W, the .357 Mag is the man-stopper.

7/14/2007 9:21:04 AM

On another note, for anyone with a S&W J-frame or similar revolver, I highly recommend the DeSantis Nemesis. I've been looking for a good pocket holster for a while now and this is the first I've found that I like.


http://www.desantisholster.com/n38.html

7/14/2007 2:12:40 PM

7/14/2007 3:10:43 PM

Quote :

"Not if you're looking for home defense. I mean, don't get me wrong, it is an outstanding firearm, but the .22LR is not a personal defense round. It'd probably be the best first pistol though, you'll do better learning your basics on a .22 than you would on a centerfire cartridge, and you'd find out if you really wanted a gun or not. If you don't find yourself going to the range at least once a month, you probably don't want it as much as you thought you would."

JCASHFAN

Not so concerning home defense. I can load the pistol with hollow points and put every round on the intruder's nose if I choose. Short-range shots are more difficult than people often think--especially when you're half asleep, in low light, and the adrenaline is suddenly flowing hard. In addition, the sound of a .22 blast will not be nearly as loud as larger calibers--I mean, you will more than likely be indoors in such a situation, right?

Concerning the overall suitability of the Ruger .22 pistol, many beginners are just too ready to flinch at the sound and recoil of a larger caliber--this won't happen with the Ruger. And I'm telling you: If you want to shoot well, you have to shoot often. And the cheap ammo really pays off after a while.

^^ Hmm. Interesting holsters.

[Edited on July 16, 2007 at 12:04 AM. Reason : .]

7/16/2007 12:01:24 AM

First off, does anyone recommend any particular grip tapes for an XD compact?

That being said . . .

Quote :

"Not so concerning home defense. I can load the pistol with hollow points and put every round on the intruder's nose if I choose. Short-range shots are more difficult than people often think--especially when you're half asleep, in low light, and the adrenaline is suddenly flowing hard."

I'm not sure where you're going with this. You're saying that you can put all you're shots on the nose of a moving intruder, when your adrenaline is pumping? It sounds like you're contradicting yourself, not to mention the fact that the nose isn't a great place to shoot since .22 rounds have been known to be deflected by the skull and travel the length of the scalp under the skin.

In low light and close quarters you want something that can reliably incapacitate someone when you hit center mass. A .22 simply cannot do this. Period. I don't know of any reasonably responsible self-defense authority who would recommend this. I mean, granted a skilled man with a .22 will beat a panicky man with a .45 any day, and maybe you can, but I wouldn't count on the fine motor skills of 95% of the population under life and death conditions.

Flash and recoil are bigger issues than noise. Flash will destroy your night vision and recoil will delay follow-up shots, but anyone who has hunted will know that your adrenaline causes you to barely notice the crack or the kick of the rifle, and that is when your life isn't on the line.

If you want to carry a .22, so be it, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

[Edited on July 16, 2007 at 9:27 PM. Reason : .]

7/16/2007 9:26:37 PM

it wouldnt be fine motor skills, but nice try. fine skills typically involve finger and hand movement, not arm movement

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"Fine motor control is the coordination of muscular, skeletal, and neurological functions to produce small, precise movements. The opposite of fine motor control is gross (large, general) motor control. An example of fine motor control is picking up a small item with index finger and thumb. An example of gross motor control would be waving an arm in greeting."

7/17/2007 3:27:51 PM

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"Fine motor control is the coordination of muscular, skeletal, and neurological functions to produce small, precise movements."

The ability to place a .22 caliber bullet in an incapacitating zone under stress would require fine motor skills ie. trigger squeeze, properly applied grip, and precision sight picture. The ability to place a 9mm or larger in to an incapacitating zone under stress could be accomplished with gross motor skills. I meant what I said.

[Edited on July 17, 2007 at 3:53 PM. Reason : .]

7/17/2007 3:50:57 PM

Does anyone have a site with data or anything to back these things up? I'm interested in the ".357 is the best" argument, and also how the 5.7mm round performs as far as damage.

7/17/2007 3:59:38 PM

http://www.google.com

[Edited on July 17, 2007 at 4:04 PM. Reason : .]

7/17/2007 4:02:45 PM

Gosh, why didn't I think about this?

I just haven't been able to find anything with quite the information I was looking for, I was wondering if someone knows of something more specific than "the entire internet"

7/17/2007 4:03:50 PM

http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htm

golly that was hard

7/17/2007 4:08:27 PM

Thanks, big guy.

7/17/2007 4:09:21 PM

If you have to ask, you don't want 5.7mm

7/17/2007 4:09:31 PM

The 5.7 is a stupid handgun round. It does about as much damage as you can expect from a 22 mag...because that's what it essentially is.

Handgun caliber arguments are stupid too.
Get a 380ACP, 9x19mm, 40S&W, 45ACP, 38 Special, or 357 mag and learn to shoot it well.
That's all you need to know.

[Edited on July 17, 2007 at 4:17 PM. Reason : Oh, and load it with Gold Dots, XTPs, Golden Sabers, or SXTs]

7/17/2007 4:14:23 PM