http://www.redandwhitefromstate.com/article.php?story=2007071600134767

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"Tom Stafford (Vice Chancellor of Student Affairs): "The Chancellor and I think that five hours is about the limit to which we would extend tailgating time...if the WITH program is not effective, that five-hour limit could be cut back to four, or even less.""

Will this guy retire already? He's done more damage to the NCSU community over the last decade than any other individual. I thought I'd escape his shenanigans when I graduated, but the Vice Chancellor of Student Affairs has managed to consolidate a disturbing amount of power and influence over alumni issues.


[Edited on July 16, 2007 at 10:04 AM. Reason : .]

7/16/2007 9:58:04 AM

I, for one, would like to see what statistics he is using to base his assumption that tailgating is a problem.

7/16/2007 10:07:22 AM

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"crusade"

7/16/2007 10:12:49 AM

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"ludicrosity"

I had no idea that was a a word

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"When folks from the opposing schools are in the area, they shouldn't be harassed or exposed to anything inappropriate"

Translation= Students, stop cussing out women over 40 wearing opposing team's colors, seriously

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"Stafford is driven by the loss of a loved one due to alcohol."

I didn't know about this, does someone care to explain?

7/16/2007 10:20:52 AM

tom stafford is an egregious stroke

7/16/2007 10:27:34 AM

As long as the rich donors can still park their Winnies with impunity to any stinking time limits, nothing is ever going to change.

LTR folks aren't going to forfeit the money they paid into the system in some sort of protest.

Isn't it great to be powerless?

7/16/2007 10:33:08 AM

Stafford is a million times better than Brian Koehler. That guy is one of the most condescending individuals I have ever met. He reminds me of Tony Robbins or Shooter McGavin from Happy Gilmore.

If you think about the tailgating situation it is a lot like "don't post in ST until you have 1000 posts" before you get to 1000 you complain and complain that everyone who agrees with this is an idiot. After 1000 you are like "eh whatever". Same will go here for me. As a senior the tailgating restrictions irritate me. I know though that as soon as I have LTR I will be indifferent to it all.

7/16/2007 10:36:38 AM

I don't understand why Stafford stciks with tailgating hour limits on everyone, when it is clearly the students causing the problems. Move the damn students to the VET fields, let the opposing fans have the fairgrounds, problem solved. Stafford is a raging idiot. Anyone have his email or anyone in his staff?

7/16/2007 10:40:57 AM

they really shouldn't make it "visiting lots" but they should just use the VET lots for students and charge $10 to park in the fairgrounds, use that money towards security, and part of the problem is solved

7/16/2007 10:49:15 AM

But, when you already have your mind made up, why would you consider ideas that aren't your own?

7/16/2007 10:51:25 AM

^I agree with what you're saying... and ^^sounds like a reasonable compromise, but:

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"let the opposing fans have the fairgrounds"

is just rigoddamndiculous!

7/16/2007 11:03:53 AM

Honestly, I think permitting the Fairgrounds lot (or at least requiring a ticket to park there) and an increased uniformed presence has had a positive effect on behavior/atmosphere. The time limit has not. If the target is drunkenness, people can get hammered in an hour or two (or offsite, for that matter) just as easily as they can in 4, 5, 6, or 10. It isn't the people getting there at 6 AM to cook a pig that are causing problems. In my experience, people out there for longer tailgates tend to pace themselves...

7/16/2007 11:06:04 AM

Why? The students can still act the fool and get drunk and retarded in the VET fields, only the opposing fans with children won't have to walk through them to get to the stadium, and Stafford won't have to read about "F Bomb Alley" in the blogs and get email complains from opposing fans and ADs about how shitty our fans are.

Ya'll go to parties to ice grill
I go to parties to party with nice girls
Young boys gotta chill
30's the new 20 nigga,

7/16/2007 11:09:12 AM

I thought this thread was about Matthew Stafford

7/16/2007 11:12:49 AM

I am an LTR alumnus and I hate these tailgate restrictions. I ask to park in the Trinity lot or faculty lot because I like to get rowdy at tailgates and I don't like being bunched up with the older folks who may not take kindly to throwing the football or kegstands, etc.

What Stafford fails to realize is that if he kills tailgating, he will be killing alot of the fanbase support for our footbal program. Yes, the bigtime LTR donors will still pony up the funds but they will be alienating the younger LTR donors of the future (like myself) who wont pay unless we are allowed to tailgate like we want to.

You don't see FSU or any of the other big football schools trying to squash tailgating because they realize this. Stafford obviously has something wedged very far up his ass and needs to be dealt with by the populace before he does permanent damage.

7/16/2007 11:21:25 AM

How do you propose he be 'dealt with'?

7/16/2007 11:27:23 AM

http://www.technicianonline.com/poll/index.cfm?event=displayPollResults&poll_question_id=21375

82% disapproval rating

8% approve

^Fire his ass.


Stafford is a joke. I really want to see his 5 year review, which should be public IMO. If the taxpayers and students are paying his salary, we have a right to at least see some kind of report on what he's done/ is doing.

Hire Mr Belding

7/16/2007 11:44:30 AM

he can be reached at tom_stafford@ncsu.edu

and just so no one can say i'm giving out private info this is where i got it http://tinyurl.com/3awqyz

7/16/2007 11:45:42 AM

He would never be fired, sorry.

7/16/2007 11:48:39 AM

your amazing insight has wowed us all

but you're right, he won't be fired, not unless the alumni with money saw that their gameday experiences were bring diminished... and since that's not likely to happen anytime soon then he can do whatever he wants to the rest of the fanbase

7/16/2007 12:22:56 PM

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"Stafford is a million times better than Brian Koehler. That guy is one of the most condescending individuals I have ever met. He reminds me of Tony Robbins or Shooter McGavin from Happy Gilmore."

/shrug, he was always helpful to me the 4 years i was at state

7/16/2007 12:28:55 PM

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"does someone care?"

FIXED IT FOR YOU

7/16/2007 12:47:42 PM

agree^^Koehler helped me when I was at state....even set me up with his friend to help coach a kids basketball league (I was taking Coaching Basketball,taught by Coach Wall who was and will forever be my favorite professor/teacher at NCSU).

And as far as tailgating and Stafford he's an idiot. Ive never been more mad than when he made remarks about using poisonous ink for stamping students....he doesnt give a shit about students. I've graduated since, but I still dispise him. I've written him emails and submitted opinions to the Technician, but that doesnt do anything. And unless you got $ it seems nobody will listen to you anyway

7/16/2007 1:04:53 PM

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"Honestly, I think permitting the Fairgrounds lot (or at least requiring a ticket to park there) and an increased uniformed presence has had a positive effect on behavior/atmosphere. The time limit has not. If the target is drunkenness, people can get hammered in an hour or two (or offsite, for that matter) just as easily as they can in 4, 5, 6, or 10. It isn't the people getting there at 6 AM to cook a pig that are causing problems. In my experience, people out there for longer tailgates tend to pace themselves..."

7/16/2007 1:17:54 PM

can someone post his email address please
i tried to look him up on ncsu.edu and couldnt find a listing for him

7/16/2007 1:34:55 PM

i did, its a few posts up

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"he can be reached at tom_stafford@ncsu.edu"

7/16/2007 1:38:49 PM

Good grief, it's not that hard to find his email. Seriously, do some research on how the university works before you blame him. He's the most visible administrator to students, so of course he takes the fall.

7/16/2007 1:38:57 PM

Since you already know, why don't you clue us in instead of coming off as a snarky worthless asshole.

7/16/2007 1:48:54 PM

Never mind, not worth it.

[Edited on July 16, 2007 at 1:55 PM. Reason : sss]

7/16/2007 1:54:10 PM

well, either you have some kind of unique knowledge that he's merely a puppet with his strings being pulled by someone else...

or you think you see the bigger picture when no bigger picture really exists, and this guy's just jerking the fanbase and students around...

so sorry that nobody's just assuming that you're all-knowing

7/16/2007 2:00:15 PM

Stafford fails to bridge the generational gap. He uses fear-based tactics in an attempt to stifle younger wolfpack fans who wont listen to anyone anyways (c'mon we were all that age at one point in time). It's phucked up because the kids that are actually causing problems are certainly not going to hear (or care) about any edicts he attempts to impose upon our fanbase and the rest of us will suffer through his tyrannical reign because of it....

I do agree with SSS in that he is the frontman of a bigger movement against tailgating and his primary role is to take any heat that their agenda generates. If he goes down, then another will probably take his place to try and squelch tailgating at this school...

[Edited on July 16, 2007 at 2:45 PM. Reason : sp]

7/16/2007 2:43:05 PM

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"Never mind, not worth it. "

Then get the fuck out bitch.

7/16/2007 3:09:05 PM

Typical answer.

7/16/2007 3:10:58 PM

Durr, You came in here acting like you are all knowing, then backed away.

WHAT ELSE DO YOU EXPECT ME TO POST YOU MORON.

Either put your post back, and clue the rest of us in, or go back to riding the bench in this thread.

7/16/2007 3:15:20 PM

There's no reasoning with you people, that's why I "backed away."

7/16/2007 3:18:38 PM

My freshman year I simply thought Stafford was doing his job. I believed it was a necessary job for someone to be the asshole that tells people how things need to work.

Then as I gradually heard about all the crap he pulled before I arrived, I began to think he was being a little extreme in trying to tone down the party atmosphere at State.

After I heard him address a small group of 20 people and do a Q & A session, I realized he liked being the asshole and doesn't give a shit about the student population. He is out to screw students any way he possibly can. It was at that point I realized the students will never be able to compromise w/ him. It is HIS way or nobody's way. He may put on a show where he pretends he cares and talks w/ students, but he really is just a dickhead that will do what he wants to.

SSS - I'm not sure why you back this guy up. He has done nothing but screw students over. If you can think of one instance that he was not a complete asshole, please enlighten me.

7/16/2007 3:19:37 PM

pm me if you're that curious, but I'm not feeding this thread anymore.

[Edited on July 16, 2007 at 3:23 PM. Reason : sss]

7/16/2007 3:22:18 PM

We all defer to your reason, oh omniscient and rational one. How could a diverse intergenerational group of alumni and college students ever expect to see the issue as fully and wisely as you do? All bow down to SSS, TWW's self-appointed expert on double-secret tailgating policy.

7/16/2007 3:36:23 PM

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"There's no reasoning with you people, that's why I "backed away.""

Christ, how lame do you get Suzanna? Of course there is reasoning with us. I'm curiously interested to know some inner workings that you apparently know that the rest of us don't, but how the hell can I not be pissed at the "face of the machine" Stafford when that is all I see.

How can I not be pissed at Stafford when 7 well thought out and cordial emails over the past three years to his office have never been replied to? Two additional ones were so short that even a curt reply would have been possible, and nothing.

7/16/2007 3:36:55 PM

you should send the same email every single day until it is responded to in some way.

7/16/2007 3:40:44 PM

http://tinyurl.com/3ypps8

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"Student Body President Will Quick, a primary proponent of the new proposal, noted a concern about using ink stamps. "With some stamps, I have heard that you can lick the back of your hand and then put it on your friend's hand," he said. Jokingly, Tom Stafford, vice chancellor for student affairs, offered a solution to students licking hand stamps. "We can use poisonous ink," he said."

7/16/2007 3:51:24 PM

when my family was up here for my girlfriend's graduation in May, my mom asked me after the large RBC ceremony "who was that awful old man who sounded like he wanted to be any place in the world but speaking at this graduation?"

my answer: Tom Stafford, the guy in charge of STUDENT affairs

7/16/2007 5:00:52 PM

bttt

No love from Stafford

7/17/2007 1:49:07 PM

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"you should send the same email every single day until it is responded to in some way. "

because, you know, pretty much every email clients doesn't have a block sender feature

7/17/2007 7:26:27 PM

This past year our student voice Will Quick did nothing to stand up for us during the debate over tailgate I blame him as much as I blame Stafford

7/17/2007 8:26:03 PM

^nah, actually quick did try to talk to him about it several times. stafford told him to gtfo. it's not like i know quick either to know about this. it was in the technician several times.


(gtfo was my own paraphrasing in case some people cant tell)

7/17/2007 8:31:18 PM

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"Move the damn students to the VET fields, let the opposing fans have the fairgrounds, problem solved. "

hell no...the fairgrounds are the best..close to stadium, big tress with shade, and a shit load of drunk students.

the VET lot has no shade and a far ass walk

[Edited on July 18, 2007 at 1:04 AM. Reason : :]

7/18/2007 1:04:10 AM

^boo hoo . . . a walk isn't gonna kill ya, and there are ways to make shade. But I wouldn't worry about it since it will never happen. Having all the drunk students walking through the fairgrounds and disrupting all the other people's tailgates would be a worse problem than now.

7/18/2007 6:45:01 AM

i have yet to understand

IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BE EXPOSED TO "F-BOMB ALLEY"

WHY DO THEY WALK DIRECTLY THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT

GO DOWN THE SIDE OF THE FUCKING ROAD LIKE THE OTHER THOUSANDS OF VISITING FANS

AND SAVE US ALL THE TROUBLE

7/18/2007 7:50:39 AM

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"HEY GUYS, I'M HERE TO FUCK YOU! ISNT MY MUG IRONIC, DUR HUR"

7/18/2007 8:46:25 AM