Were storm troopers clones?

And is there always only one sith lord and the apprentice? Because I thought the sith and the jedi fought a more thousands of years before the events in the movies take place. You cant have a war with only 2 people against many

7/27/2007 1:08:03 AM

hehe, ima check back in a couple days and this thread will be nerd heaven

7/27/2007 1:40:32 AM

I meant to say "war" not "more"

wtf

7/27/2007 2:04:58 AM

the storm troopers are clones

7/27/2007 2:18:44 AM

*Thinks back*

Yes, the storm troopers were clones, like they show in the movie.

From wiki:

Like the Jedi Order, which has a clearly defined hierarchy of titles (Jedi Initiate, or "youngling," to Jedi Padawan to Jedi Knight to Jedi Master to Jedi Council Member), the Sith Order has a ranking system to divide the strong from the stronger, though it should be noted that, due to the great number of successive incarnations of the order, Sith hierarchy didn't maintain a single continuous ranking system throughout its history. Like the Jedi and the Old Republic, the Sith underwent a great reformation after the apocalyptic Battle of Ruusan, and the ranks of the Sith Order were among the things changed. Prior to that, however, Sith hierarchy remained much the same for almost 6,000 years: Sith Minion to Sith Acolyte to Sith Warrior to Sith Lord to Dark Lord of the Sith. For the most part this ranking system remained the same, through the ancient Sith Empire, Exar Kun's Brotherhood of the Sith, and Darth Revan's Sith Empire, until Lord Kaan declared that all of his highest ranking followers in the Sith Brotherhood of Darkness were Dark Lords of the Sith. Following the Sith Order's destruction at the Seventh Battle of Ruusan, Darth Bane reformed the order and decreed that there would only be two Sith at a time from that point onward: a Master and an apprentice. Both would bear the title "Dark Lord of the Sith," which at that point in time became interchangeable with the term "Sith Lord."

So basically, I think there were Sith Masters who had their own students, then a whole load of minions and jedi turned evil in the old wars. Once they started the whole 'one master one apprentice' thing they acted more like in the movies, as far as manipulating politics and the universe goes.

7/27/2007 2:27:21 AM

Sith can refer to a number of things.

There's the Sith as a species, which numbered in the millions

There's the Sith Empire, which was who the Jedi fought against in the war you're thinking of. These were genuine Dark Jedi.

After the Sith Empire was pwnt, the last remaining Sith Lord established the rule of two thing. After the reformation, Dark-side characters who aren't a Sith Master or Apprentice are merely "force-adept," but not Dark Jedi.


[Edited on July 27, 2007 at 7:53 AM. Reason : .]

7/27/2007 7:43:16 AM

I always thought that up until the prequels, the OT and the expanded universe at the time supported the idea that storm troopers were not clones. I seem to remember that Timothy Zahn made a big deal out of what were considered rare cloning tubes in some sort of "Emperor's secret stash."

They also mentioned that clones had a strange force signature. I don't remember them ever claiming that storm troopers had a strange force signature.

7/27/2007 8:38:01 AM

Yeah, that was George Lucas being a dick.

7/27/2007 9:00:48 AM

Yeah in the expanded universe Han Solo trilogy, Han was an officer in the Imperial Navy for a while until he broke out and rescued Chewbacca from slavery, in the books and games stormtroopers were definitely not clones...

7/27/2007 9:09:34 AM

I read somewhere that the stormtroopers originally started out as clones but at some point they moved to cyborgs or something. It was probably some stupid random thing I read on the internet though.

7/27/2007 9:09:45 AM

They were clones at first, but I think eventually they moved to just normal people who were recruited and/or drafted. Because cloning is probably extremely expensive compared to just drafting people.

I mean, there are like a hundred trillion people in your empire, might as well make use of them.

7/27/2007 9:17:42 AM

^that was basically always my personal theory (not based on anything of merit tho just my thoughts). when they were trying to take over, they had to create these clones to even have an army. once they took over and they were the empire..they didnt need to sorta, they just made use of their subjects

if that makes any sense at all.

7/27/2007 9:36:32 AM

tell em Steve Dave!

7/27/2007 9:41:08 AM

I'm fine with that explanation, but it still doesn't really jive with the Thrawn series.

When Thrawn was going after the cloning cylinders, it was treated as a super-secret long-forgotten technology; not the stuff that created the Republic Army 50 year prior.

7/27/2007 10:25:59 AM

It was obviously not the same kind of cloning.

The clones that made the republic army took 10 years each to create, the clone tubes took like a couple of months, or 48 hours if you had those lizards nearby.

7/27/2007 10:32:02 AM

thx guys

I wish someone would make a movie detailing the Jedi before the events of Phantom Menace

7/27/2007 11:50:55 AM

If they were clones how could Luke steal a Stormtroopers suit and use it to help break Lea out?

7/27/2007 12:18:03 PM

visiting this thread makes me want to scream out


GLAVEN!!!!

7/27/2007 12:23:20 PM

^^The same way he would have done it if they weren't?

^^^I'd just settle for them burning every copy of the PT and redoing it after Lucas dies.

[Edited on July 27, 2007 at 12:30 PM. Reason : y]

7/27/2007 12:24:11 PM

7/27/2007 12:24:53 PM

? i dont think they were clones at that point but i think youre confusing clones with droids or something.

to my knowledge they cloned humans and they just wore stormtrooper armor.

7/27/2007 12:25:52 PM

^

ok yeah.. I didn't think of that.. Was just thinking of how they cloned the droids in the prequels. Yeah in the original SW movies there were bodies in the stormtrooper suits, they weren't droids.

7/27/2007 12:36:29 PM

They cloned people. They built droids. The storm troopers in the prequels were human clones in armor.

I wish I couldn't remember the prequels as much as you seem to not be able to remember them.

7/27/2007 12:43:29 PM

Quote :

"While potentially inspired by the faceless Sith troopers of Darth Revan's Sith Empire, the first stormtroopers were clone troopers that survived the Clone Wars. Renamed by Palpatine's Declaration of a New Order, these clones of Jango Fett were immediately supplemented by three new stormtrooper clone batches grown in the Outer Rim Territories. Lacking the guidance of the Jedi Generals, stormtroopers were "cut loose" to brutally enforce the new Imperial doctrine, quickly building a reputation as merciless, destructive, and endless in number. By the time the Galactic Civil War began in earnest, Fett's progeny were heavily supplemented with clones from new DNA sources and troopers recruited in the traditional manner; non-clone stormtrooper recruits had first been introduced in 9 BBY. Despite this influx of new trooper sources, the ranks remained exclusively Human: an obvious sign of the New Order's High Human Culture. "

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Storm_trooper

I couldn't find where it said it but by the time of the Battle of Yavin the only Stormtroopers that were Fett Clones were the 501st which was Vader's legion. The rest of them were mainly clones but of different folks. Most of the officers and other troopers and pilots were not clones (which is what Han Solo was).

Quote :

"If they were clones how could Luke steal a Stormtroopers suit and use it to help break Lea out?"

Leia when first seeing Luke:

Quote :

"Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper?"

7/27/2007 2:10:20 PM