Larry Craig, senator from Idaho, arrested and charged with lewd behavior ......

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"Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) was arrested in June at a Minnesota airport by a plainclothes police officer investigating lewd conduct complaints in a men’s public restroom, according to an arrest report obtained by Roll Call Monday afternoon. Craig’s arrest occurred just after noon on June 11 at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport. On Aug. 8, he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor disorderly conduct in the Hennepin County District Court. He paid more than $500 in fines and fees, and a 10-day jail sentence was stayed. He also was given one year of probation with the court that began on Aug. 8. A spokesman for Craig described the incident as a “he said/he said misunderstanding,” and said the office would release a fuller statement later Monday afternoon. After he was arrested, Craig, who is married, was taken to the Airport Police Operations Center to be interviewed about the lewd conduct incident, according to the police report. At one point during the interview, Craig handed the plainclothes sergeant who arrested him a business card that identified him as a U.S. Senator and said, “What do you think about that?” the report states. Craig was detained for approximately 45 minutes, interviewed, photographed, fingerprinted and released, and police prepared a formal complaint for interference with privacy and disorderly conduct. According to the incident report, Sgt. Dave Karsnia was working as a plainclothes officer on June 11 investigating civilian complaints regarding sexual activity in the men’s public restroom in which Craig was arrested. Airport police previously had made numerous arrests in the men’s restroom of the Northstar Crossing in the Lindbergh Terminal in connection with sexual activity. Karsnia entered the bathroom at noon that day and about 13 minutes after taking a seat in a stall, he stated he could see “an older white male with grey hair standing outside my stall.” The man, who lingered in front of the stall for two minutes, was later identified as Craig. “I could see Craig look through the crack in the door from his position. Craig would look down at his hands, ‘fidget’ with his fingers, and then look through the crack into my stall again. Craig would repeat this cycle for about two minutes,” the report states. Craig then entered the stall next to Karsnia’s and placed his roller bag against the front of the stall door. “My experience has shown that individuals engaging in lewd conduct use their bags to block the view from the front of their stall,” Karsnia stated in his report. “From my seated position, I could observe the shoes and ankles of Craig seated to the left of me.” Craig was wearing dress pants with black dress shoes. “At 1216 hours, Craig tapped his right foot. I recognized this as a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct. Craig tapped his toes several times and moves his foot closer to my foot. I moved my foot up and down slowly. While this was occurring, the male in the stall to my right was still present. I could hear several unknown persons in the restroom that appeared to use the restroom for its intended use. The presence of others did not seem to deter Craig as he moved his right foot so that it touched the side of my left foot which was within my stall area,” the report states. Craig then proceeded to swipe his hand under the stall divider several times, and Karsnia noted in his report that “I could ... see Craig had a gold ring on his ring finger as his hand was on my side of the stall divider.” Karsnia then held his police identification down by the floor so that Craig could see it. “With my left hand near the floor, I pointed towards the exit. Craig responded, ‘No!’ I again pointed towards the exit. Craig exited the stall with his roller bags without flushing the toilet. ... Craig said he would not go. I told Craig that he was under arrest, he had to go, and that I didn’t want to make a scene. Craig then left the restroom.” In a recorded interview after his arrest, Craig “either disagreed with me or ‘didn’t recall’ the events as they happened,” the report states. Craig stated “that he has a wide stance when going to the bathroom and that his foot may have touched mine,” the report states. Craig also told the arresting officer that he reached down with his right hand to pick up a piece of paper that was on the floor. “It should be noted that there was not a piece of paper on the bathroom floor, nor did Craig pick up a piece of paper,” the arresting officer said in the report. On Aug. 8, the day he pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct in the Minnesota court, Craig appeared via satellite at a ceremony that took place in Idaho in which former Idaho federal Judge Randy Smith was invested into his new position as a judge on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. In October 2006, Craig’s office publicly denied allegations that he was a homosexual made on a gay activist Web site — blogactive.com. Craig’s office told the Spokane Spokesman-Review that the charge was “completely ridiculous,” saying that the allegations had “no basis in fact.”"

Ah, the party of traditional values strikes again.

8/27/2007 9:46:27 PM

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"Craig stated “that he has a wide stance when going to the bathroom and that his foot may have touched mine,” the report states. Craig also told the arresting officer that he reached down with his right hand to pick up a piece of paper that was on the floor. “It should be noted that there was not a piece of paper on the bathroom floor, nor did Craig pick up a piece of paper,” the arresting officer said in the report."

BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.....A WIDE STANCE!!


CLASSIC DEFENSE

8/27/2007 9:48:03 PM

i'm surprised that this surprised me.

8/27/2007 10:01:34 PM

*cough*entrapment*cough*

8/27/2007 10:11:14 PM

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"Craig tapped his right foot. I recognized this as a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct. "

Good to know. I'm sorry this seems pretty retarded. OMG he tapped his foot and his foot touched mine, Imma arrest him now for lewd conduct.

8/27/2007 10:39:19 PM

did you read the entire article. there was a little bit more going on than that.

plus he fuckin' pled guilty!

OH WAIT, THAT WAS A MISTAKE. lemme get a mulligan!

[Edited on August 27, 2007 at 10:41 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2007 10:41:43 PM

MORE SEX LESS NEWS

8/27/2007 10:46:10 PM

OMG LETS TALK IN CAPS

Did you read the article where he said he should have listen to his lawyer(duh) and not pleaded guilty? He probably just wanted it to go away, and it's a 500 buck fine.

And he didn't do much more than that. He never verbally solicited anything, and it is a big stretch to call his actions lewd. If this happened to a regular joe, people would be like what the fuck that is retarded.

8/27/2007 10:59:47 PM

I'm not going to say I've never tapped my feet while on the shitter.

8/27/2007 11:02:06 PM

Time to lock this, right? Like the thread about the Democrat?

PS:

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"plus he fuckin' pled guilty!"

jwb9984

This is an informal environment, but you should use pleaded. FYI.

8/27/2007 11:07:59 PM

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"I'm not going to say I've never tapped my feet while on the shitter."

ya i no rite?

and i'm not going to say i've never stuck my foot into the next stall, rubbed the other man's foot, then stuck my hand under the partition a few times and waved at him.

oh, wait... no, i guess i've never done that.

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"At the time of this incident, I complained to the police that they were misconstruing my actions," [Sen. Craig] said. "I should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter. In hindsight, I should not have pled guilty. I was trying to handle this matter myself quickly and expeditiously."

yeah, funny how those podunk minnesota county prosecutors can just totally confuse a three-term US Senator (a lawyer whose been in Congress for 27 years) as to what his legal options are and get him to plead guilty to some fabricated charges!

8/27/2007 11:37:50 PM

^^

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"I should not have pled guilty."

THE HUMANITY.

FYI: fuck off, old man


[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 12:04 AM. Reason : for hooksaw]

8/28/2007 12:02:57 AM

^ Oh, hell's bells, fuck you, too. (For foamies only.)

8/28/2007 12:05:42 AM

What the fuck is a foamie?

And I don't understand how we can be arguing about this. Dude masturbated while peering through the crack of a stall and watching another man...and then he tried to engage him in some sort of contact. Given that the other dude stayed in the bathroom from 13 minutes, it kinda looks like entrapment, but the acts still took place.

I'm actually totally cool with dudes doin all sorts of weird shit with each other, but this public bathroom thrill shit has got to go...there are appropriate venues for that sort of behavior (none that a conservative Republican would want to be seen at, but that's his problem). Seriously, quit engaging in unprotected sex in public venues where unsuspecting folks could stumble upon it...it's not fucking cool, man.

8/28/2007 12:28:15 AM

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"“I could see Craig look through the crack in the door from his position. Craig would look down at his hands, ‘fidget’ with his fingers, and then look through the crack into my stall again. Craig would repeat this cycle for about two minutes,” the report states."

I didn't take this to mean that Craig was masturbating, but yeah, I agree ^



[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 12:47 AM. Reason : 2]

8/28/2007 12:40:02 AM

^Yeah, I couldn't really tell what they were trying to describe.

My bad.

Even with the officer's description, I still don't quite get how these kinds of things go down.

8/28/2007 1:36:22 AM

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"And he didn't do much more than that. He never verbally solicited anything, and it is a big stretch to call his actions lewd. If this happened to a regular joe, people would be like what the fuck that is retarded."

You're (and some other here too) completely missing the point.

The sad/hilarious aspect of this is that a historically and practically viciously anti-gay SENATOR was in a bathroom soliciting for gay sex.

This has actually been an odd trend with the sex-related scandals recently. What's with all these anti-gay politicians being secretly gay?

8/28/2007 1:37:54 AM

I dunno. These senator guys are older. Coming out may not have been an option for them so they're stuck in the closet, confined to anonymous stuff like this. And they happen to be Republicans who vote anti-gay because that's what is expected in the party, not because they actually are anti-gay.

8/28/2007 2:03:39 AM

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"What's with all these anti-gay politicians being secretly gay?"

Just a thought:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040202035152/www.apa.org/releases/homophob.html

Although I'm not sure how much stock I put in the theory that homophobes are just compensating for their love of cock.

8/28/2007 2:29:13 AM

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"I dunno. These senator guys are older. Coming out may not have been an option for them so they're stuck in the closet, confined to anonymous stuff like this. And they happen to be Republicans who vote anti-gay because that's what is expected in the party, not because they actually are anti-gay."

I fail to see how that makes him less of a cowardly hypocrite.

8/28/2007 3:05:22 AM

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"I dunno. These senator guys are older. Coming out may not have been an option for them so they're stuck in the closet, confined to anonymous stuff like this. And they happen to be Republicans who vote anti-gay because that's what is expected in the party, not because they actually are anti-gay."

I don't really think he has an excuse, personally. Senators and congresspeople by their nature spend a lot of time in a very gay-friendly place -- DC. I am sure over the years Senator Craig has had many outlets for his homosexuality while he's away from home by tapping into the gay culture at large there.

In fact, blogactive (which attempts to out such people) reports just that:

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"I have also met with a man here in Washington, D.C., who says the same -- and that these incidents occurred in the bathrooms of Union Station. None of these men know each other, or knew that I was talking to others. They all reported similar personal characteristics about the Senator, which lead me to believe, beyond any doubt, that their stories are valid."

(http://www.blogactive.com/2006/10/senator-larry-craig-whats-with-gay.html)

Given what I've read there and on other news sites, it sounds like his sexual activity is basically just an open secret inside the beltway.

The simple fact of the matter is that Senators live in an environment that is conducive to this kind of behavior. If you're an anti-gay, conservative politician with homosexual proclivities, it is very easy to act out for a long time without it being an issue. You're always away from your home and your family, in an extremely gay-friendly environment, and working in a relatively closed, collegial culture.

So -- he's a coward and a hypocrite. He just wants to have his cake and eat it, too (so to speak).

And I suspect that the Republican party tolerates this nonsense because, frankly, many of their straight members are in the same boat. Look at what happened with David Vitter and the DC Madam.

A party that stands for Values should toss its members overboard when they show a psychotic lack of self-control. And members of that party should either behave consistently with the values they espouse, or present the voters with who they really are.

8/28/2007 4:32:46 AM

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" And he didn't do much more than that. He never verbally solicited anything, and it is a big stretch to call his actions lewd."

Well, let's review the sequence of events. He:

1. Went into a men's restroom, and peered into an occupied stall for two minutes (!).
2. Entered the stall next to it, and started rubbing the foot of the man in the occupied stall.
3. Put his hand under the stall divider repeatedly.

Any of these behaviors by themselves are fucking weird. Put together, pretty damning, I'd say.

And let's couple all that with:

4. The officer who arrested him clearly had experience investigating these crimes and knew the signals. Hence his use of phrases like "my experience."
5. He plead guilty.

How many reasonable, God-fearing, conservative people would actually go to court and plead guilty to perving on men in the airport restroom? Would you?

As to the entrapment comment above -- uh, no. I don't see how it's entrapment when the Senator goes into a restroom and peers into an occupied stall for two minutes. Not to mention everything else. It definitely looks to me like he started this business.

Pretty open and shut case, I'd say. Whether he should be arrested and tried -- well, yes. I think he should. It's just a decency law; airport restrooms are dirty enough as it is without this kind of behavior. Frankly I think it's a pretty low bar for public conduct, and someone who can't meet and thoroughly exceed it, doesn't belong in a public office.

And for the record -- any idiot who's ever had a speeding ticket knows you don't just "pay the fine."

8/28/2007 5:03:02 AM

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"As to the entrapment comment above -- uh, no. I don't see how it's entrapment when the Senator goes into a restroom and peers into an occupied stall for two minutes. Not to mention everything else."

not exactly. there's no crime against signaling that you want sex. The officer knew the signals and then responded to them in a way that could naturally be construed as an affirmative to the other person. Not to mention that the officer went in there and sat in a fucking stall for 13 minutes, waiting to do just such a thing. it's shady, at best.

the only leg I would say that the officer could stand on would be the "peering" into the stall.

you won't hear me suggest such a thing all that often, but we have to accept the fact that anti-gay legislation and public sentiment over the years has pushed gays to this kind of behavior, keeping it in the shadows. Certain bathrooms and other places have become known as "gay havens," where gays can go to solicit sex. Meanwhile, where does a straight person go to get laid? A bar, out in the open, out in public. The "rituals," if you will, are totally different, but they are ultimately the same act. While it may be a more open and accepting environment for homosexuals today, it's still not perfect, and many homosexuals just haven't adjusted to it yet. Old habits die hard...

Then again, the only reason this topic made it to TWW is because it was a Republican official caught doing something bad, and we all know that JerryDumbcia has a hard-on for all things anti-Republican.

8/28/2007 6:50:24 AM

saw this on the news last night and this morning

but it was the liberal media!!!1 so why should i be surprised right?? Senators charged with crimes like this shouldnt be such a big deal guyz

[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 7:00 AM. Reason : j]

8/28/2007 7:00:02 AM

moreover, I think one could make the case that the officer sitting in the stall for such a long time could also be construed as an "invitation." What do people looking to hook up at this bathroom do? they go into the bathroom and sit for a while, waiting for someone to come up to the next stall. certainly reeks of entrapment to me...

8/28/2007 7:07:38 AM

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"not exactly. there's no crime against signaling that you want sex. The officer knew the signals and then responded to them in a way that could naturally be construed as an affirmative to the other person. Not to mention that the officer went in there and sat in a fucking stall for 13 minutes, waiting to do just such a thing. it's shady, at best. "

you seriously need to brush up on entrapment. if the suspect initiated the contact/illegal behavior, its ok for the cop to play along ambiguously.

what would have made it entrapment, is if the cop had nudged the other guys foot, or waved under the stall to him

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"I think one could make the case that the officer sitting in the stall for such a long time could also be construed as an "invitation." What do people looking to hook up at this bathroom do?"

that is seriously weak... i suppose you would also think that leaving a car unlocked with the keys in the ignition is "invitation" to steal... practically, it may be, but legally its not entrapment

Passive behavior is not entrapment

[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 7:52 AM. Reason : s]

8/28/2007 7:50:24 AM

^ Pretty much. I see this as being very similar to a "Dress a cop up like a hooker and put her on the corner in a shady part of town" prostitution sting.

The only significant difference I can see is that for a prostitution sting to be successful, it requires that the john verbally ask for a specific sex act at a specific price. In this case there was no verbal communication--there was only non-verbal communication between two people who could not see each other clearly. A quick look at the Puget Sound Ferry 'terrorists' should be enough to illustrate the myriad of ways that non-verbal behavior can be interpreted.

But the guy already pled guilty, so it doesn't really matter.

8/28/2007 8:35:26 AM

pretty sure that peeking through a stall constitutes lewd behavior

8/28/2007 9:13:44 AM

Nobody here's mentioned yet that he was a member of Romney's presidential campaign as the Senate liason.

8/28/2007 11:24:56 AM

he takes liason to a whole new level

8/28/2007 11:35:10 AM

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"A party that stands for Values should toss its members overboard when they show a psychotic lack of self-control. "

Does this mean the democratic party doesn't stand for any values?

8/28/2007 11:40:59 AM

No, it means they don't try to come across as the 'moral majority' and legislate their morals to everyone else in the country.

What happens in your bedroom (consensually) should stay in your bedroom without government cockblocking.

8/28/2007 11:45:22 AM

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"I dunno. These senator guys are older. Coming out may not have been an option for them so they're stuck in the closet, confined to anonymous stuff like this. And they happen to be Republicans who vote anti-gay because that's what is expected in the party, not because they actually are anti-gay."

that should speak to the shittiness of this man and of the republican party.

8/28/2007 12:26:55 PM

I heard the guy in the other stall was a stocky black guy and Senator Craig didn't want to become another statistic.

8/28/2007 12:39:37 PM

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"Nobody here's mentioned yet that he was a member of Romney's presidential campaign as the Senate liason."

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"After guilty plea, Sen. Craig resigns spot in Romney campaign; his future unclear The news that Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, pleaded guilty earlier this month to a misdemeanor charge following an incident at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport during which an undercover police officer investigating lewd conduct arrested him, is having ripple effects on both national and local political races. • Craig on Monday resigned from his post as a co-chairman of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's Idaho Leadership Team. His name quickly started to disappear from Romney's website: A search for "Larry Craig" at mittromney.com this morning turned up links to five press releases where that name was supposed to appear. Clicks on each link showed that "Larry Craig" is no longer mentioned in those releases. One release previously stated that "U.S. Senator Larry Craig and Lt. Governor James E. Risch will serve as Chairs" of Romney's Idaho campaign. A click on the link now produces a release that says "Lt. Governor James E. Risch will serve as Chair of the effort." (May 2006 photo of Craig by Charles Dharapak of the AP.) • The Idaho Statesman, in a long story detailing what it reported were results of investigations it has done -- but not previously written about -- into questions about Craig's sexual preferences, reported that earlier this month: Craig told the Statesman he had yet to decide whether he would seek re-election in 2008. He served five terms in the House before he was elected to the Senate. His third Senate term expires in January 2009. Lt. Gov. Jim Risch has said he will likely run should Craig retire. Former Democratic Rep. Larry LaRocco announced in April that he will run for the Senate. Craig said that he would announce his re-election plans by mid-September. He said personal factors, including spending time with his nine grandchildren, were weighing on the side of retirement. But he also said he enjoyed his job and the benefits of seniority. During (an) interview in May, Craig said his re-election or retirement would not be influenced by accusations that he was gay. "If I'm going to run from these kinds of stupid, false allegations after 27 years in public life, having done a credible job, then I shouldn't have been there in the first place." Monday, Craig spokesman Sidney Smith told the Associated Press that "it's too early to talk" about Craig's re-election plans and whether the latest reports will affect them. But Jasper LiCalzi, a political science professor at Albertson College of Idaho in Caldwell, Idaho, told the AP that "there's a chance that he'll resign over this. With the pressure on the Republican Party, he could be pressured to resign. If they think this is going to be something that's the same as (Rep.) Mark Foley -- the sort of 'drip, drip, drip, there's more information that's going to come out' -- they may try to push him out." The departure of any senator could dramatically affect the balance of power in the Senate, where there are now 49 Democrats, 49 Republicans and two independents who usually -- but not always -- side with the Democrats. Craig, 62 and married, on Monday said of the incident at the airport that: "I complained to the police that they were misconstruing my actions. ... I was not involved in any inappropriate conduct. ... I should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter. In hindsight, I should not have pled guilty. I was trying to handle this matter myself quickly and expeditiously." The news about Craig's arrest was broken yesterday by Roll Call. Political bloggers are weighing in, of course: • Hugh Hewitt at the conservative Townhall.com::Blog says "Senator Craig should resign." • Ed Morrissey at the conservative Captain's Quarters says "at the least, he should confirm that he will not run again." • Mcjoan at the liberal Daily Kos writes that "my gut says he's going to resign." Memeorandum has many more links here. Update at 8:10 a.m. ET: The Politico's Jonathan Martin notes that a video of Craig speaking about Romney, which had been posted at the presidential candidate's YouTube webpage, has been turned into a "private video" that isn't readily available. Of course, it's been recovered and put it back in the public domain: Update at 11:25 a.m. ET: "This definitely makes the (Idaho Senate) race more competitive," Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee spokeswoman Hannah August told USA TODAY's Kathy Kiely this morning of the reports about Craig. Kathy reports that Craig's was thought to be one of the safest of 20 Republican-held Senate seats up in next year's election, if he did indeed seek another term. If he does, his most likely opponent is Democrat Larry LaRocco, a former member of Congress. Update at 11:55 a.m. ET: Kathy adds that LaRocco, in a telephone interview today, said he won't comment on the reports about Craig. He told her he believes he could defeat the senator on issues such as veterans' assistance, immigration and Iraq. "There are a lot of vulnerabilities regardless of what happened yesterday," he said from Coeur d'Alene, where he attended a huckleberry festival last night. LaRocco, who entered the race in April, said he has raised $100,000 so far and got a "blip" of internet fundraising activity overnight. "

8/28/2007 1:12:27 PM

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"I think one could make the case that the officer sitting in the stall for such a long time could also be construed as an "invitation." What do people looking to hook up at this bathroom do?"

fuck that.

Phad Thai (Four Star Spicy) plus Irritable Bowel Syndrome has my ass on the shitter for 13 minutes. I bring a damn book.

That doesnt give any old geezer moral-majority self-loathing republican closet homo an invitation to play footsie and wave at me under the stall doors.

8/28/2007 1:16:08 PM

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"Does this mean the democratic party doesn't stand for any values?"

It means that the Democrats don't make political ploys claiming a moral superiority over their opponents. The Republicans do, and as a result they get judged more harshly. Judge yourself to be morally superior, and you'll get judged more harshly. Deal.

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"Then again, the only reason this topic made it to TWW is because it was a Republican official caught doing something bad, and we all know that JerryDumbcia has a hard-on for all things anti-Republican."

So... liberals aren't allowed to discuss Republican/conservative scandals? I guess you can only express disgust for those belonging to your particular political philosophy

Once again, as I've said 1000 fucking times.... feel free to post any available similar stories about the Democrats. Until then, shut the fuck up

8/28/2007 1:16:34 PM

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"No, it means they don't try to come across as the 'moral majority' and legislate their morals to everyone else in the country. What happens in your bedroom (consensually) should stay in your bedroom without government cockblocking."

I agree that what happens in the bedroom is private. Now what happens in public restrooms and the oval office might be another matter.

I am no fan of either the Dems or the Pubs.

These corrupto-eruptions from both parties should drive home the point that mankind has fundamental weaknesses and should be severely limited on its ability to rule over others.

Our current gov't structure gives way too much power to those who get "elected." Allowing government to become stronger and more centralized gives these flawed people more and more power over us. Would you say that would be a good thing...or a bad thing?

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"the Democrats don't make political ploys claiming a moral superiority over their opponents. The Republicans do"

Perhaps...the democrats may not claim special authority over our sexual behavior, but they are far from inncocent in trying to tell us how to live our lives- and then acting the opposite way themselves. The message I keep getting from them is that the money I earn basically belongs to society (the gov't). And the democrats, in their wisdom, know better than I on how my money should be spent.

So just as you may get especially upset when a GOPer gets caught with his foot a tappin in the bathroom stall, Conservatives get especially pissed when democrat congressment get caught with bribe money hidden in their freezers. The message being that you are greedy if you want to keep your money, but I can accept bribes to get more money for myself.

It's kind of a two way street with corruption biz...wouldn't you agree?

[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 1:29 PM. Reason : .]

8/28/2007 1:18:11 PM

I think having a black and white system of power (2 party) is damaging and leads to this corruption. At least in a multi-party system it's much harder to consolidate power in one base. Sure, you still may have 2 or 3 main centers of power, but you also have smaller bases which must be listened to.

8/28/2007 1:29:36 PM

^
I believe not only that, but that the current political powers know this to be true. However, I don't know what evidence I could provide to substantiate my claim. So perhaps I'm just blowing hot air.

8/28/2007 3:28:28 PM

1) politicians are typically ego-centric, narcisstic, dominant types. weird sexual habits naturally flow from such men (maybe from the women, I'm less familiar with the effects of testeosterone / power surges in females)

2) People who are eager to enforce morality on others usually do it out of their own inability to master their own desires. The truly upright lead by example. Take that pun however you want.

3) Republicans take note: the creme-de-la-creme of "Islamo-Fascists", al Quaida, is currently on the defensive in Iraq precisely because they were quite happy to order the beheading of "sinners" while reclining with a mixed drink and a hooker and folks got sick of it.

[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 4:47 PM. Reason : I'm not very French ]

8/28/2007 4:44:09 PM

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"WASHINGTON - Sen. Larry Craig of Idaho said Tuesday it was a mistake to plead guilty on complaints of lewd conduct. “I did nothing wrong at the Minneapolis airport,” Craig said in a statement. “I am not gay.”"

wow wtf???

8/28/2007 4:50:21 PM

this just in, Micheal Vick is innocent as well

8/28/2007 5:17:15 PM

I must admit, though, Craig reminds me a little of the evil Reverend Henry Kane from Poltergeist II.





[Edited on August 28, 2007 at 5:19 PM. Reason : PS: With better teeth.]

8/28/2007 5:19:12 PM

and more GAY

8/28/2007 5:40:53 PM

To be fair, something similar happened to the pop singer George Michael a few years back and the thought of him being a homosexual is absurd. I think that this incident falls in the same category of police overstepping the law to get arrests.

8/28/2007 5:46:54 PM

While were at it

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/643454.html

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"KANNAPOLIS - Coy Privette, a retired Baptist pastor, conservative lawmaker and outspoken advocate for Christian groups, was charged Thursday with paying a 32-year-old Salisbury prostitute for sex acts. The 74-year-old Cabarrus County commissioner was arrested at his home in Kannapolis early Thursday. He appeared before a Rowan County magistrate on six misdemeanor charges and was released on a promise to appear in court Aug. 22. He did not return e-mail messages or calls to his cell and home phones, and no one answered the door at his Kannapolis home."

8/28/2007 6:02:50 PM

Republican Senate leadership have called for an ethics investigation into Craig. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/08/28/336742.aspx

Conservative bloggers aren't defending him at all. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/08/28/335909.aspx

8/28/2007 6:12:54 PM

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" Now I know why Republicans came down so hard on Bill Clinton. He liked WOMEN!!"

8/28/2007 6:18:31 PM

SET EM UP

8/28/2007 7:35:56 PM