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http://www.beyonddelay.org/node/373

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"Members of the Senate: Sen. Pete V. Domenici (R-NM) Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) Members of House: Rep. Ken Calvert (R-CA) Rep. John T. Doolittle (R-CA) Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL) Rep. Doc Hastings (R-WA) Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-LA) Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA) Rep. Gary G. Miller (R-CA) Rep. Alan B. Mollohan (D-WV) Rep. Timothy F. Murphy (R-PA) Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA) Rep. Steve Pearce (R-NM) Rep. Rick Renzi (R-AZ) Rep. Harold Rogers (R-KY) Rep. David Scott (D-GA) Rep. Don Young (R-AK) Rep. Jerry Weller (R-IL) Rep. Heather A. Wilson (R-NM) Dishonorable Mention: Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) Sen. David Vitter (R-LA)"

9/19/2007 1:20:27 AM

I see more Rs than Ds.

9/19/2007 1:33:17 AM

more like 535 Most Corrupt Members of Congress

9/19/2007 1:35:25 AM

well the other 513 are only in the 99th percentile of corruption, whereas these 22 have sold their souls to get them well into the 101th percentile. Satan's a miracle worker just like Jesus, but like the deluxe version. It costs a little extra.

9/19/2007 1:41:21 AM

Yeah, and many of the wealthiest members of Congress are Democrats. I'm sure they made all that money by looking out for the working man and woman.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/06/26/BAG7B7CDMQ1.DTL&type=printable

9/19/2007 2:46:26 AM

So to counter a 236 page study on corruption, hooksaw points to family wealth, and hopes everyone will be as dumb as he is.

9/19/2007 7:57:27 AM

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" In the latest sign of corruption problems for Republicans, a corporate executive testified Friday that his employees worked for months to remodel the Alaska home of Sen. Ted Stevens. Sen. Ted Stevens has said he won't comment on the investigation until it is finished. Stevens, the longest-serving Republican senator, is under scrutiny in a corruption investigation that also is targeting Alaska state officials. Bill Allen, former chief executive of oil services company VECO, testified that he spent more than $400,000 to bribe state legislators and for work at Stevens' house in the ski resort town of Girdwood. He said VECO also paid at least two contractors, a plumber and a carpenter, for work on the house. The project in 2000 more than doubled the size of the four-bedroom structure."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/14/corruption.trial.ap/index.html?iref=newssearch

Ted Stevens is definitely my favorite in that group. His idea for a bridge to nowhere was brilliant!

9/19/2007 9:10:26 AM

good thing Al Gore isn't in Congress anymore

that carbon credit scheme would propel him into the #1 spot

9/19/2007 10:02:46 AM

^^^ LOL

it's just too easy isn't it.

9/19/2007 10:45:57 AM

what's the standard by which corruption is judged? bad ideas? porkbarrel projects? seems like it could be awfully subjective

9/19/2007 10:49:19 AM

And these will be the fine folks who will be putting together your universal health care for ya.

9/19/2007 11:05:00 AM

thats what worries me. i feel like if they're getting on board with universal health care then they've found a way to fuck us on it. pretty much they'll make it expensive since its required that people pay for it and they services little. and then be all "well you have your health care" and then those hospitals will be able to profit. take in 3k a year per person, spend 1k a year per person, on average.


In fact with recent rules made by the bush administration i don't know if i want him to be a part of it at all. i'd not be shocked if he'll allow for mining of information and things like that if you go to government supported health care. "oh that is marijuana in his urine, lets watch this guy."
[Edited on September 19, 2007 at 12:25 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on September 19, 2007 at 12:32 PM. Reason : .]

9/19/2007 12:24:34 PM

Carbon credits is not a corrupt scheme, TreeTwista10.

It's hardly even a scheme.

9/19/2007 10:00:16 PM

i heard they also push Amway and Quixtar

9/19/2007 10:40:22 PM

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"Carbon credits is not a corrupt scheme, TreeTwista10. It's hardly even a scheme."

New one born every minute

Throw another virgin on the volcano while you're at it.

9/19/2007 10:45:05 PM

god damn you people are some kneejerk reactionaries anytime someone expresses some concern that we might need to be more responsible about how we manage global resources.

9/20/2007 12:17:29 AM

if only it were people "suggesting" such a thing, then it might be OK.

9/20/2007 12:22:34 AM

because free-market forces will pressure businesses and consumers to forsake short-term profit and self-interest for long-term health and stability.

yes.

i know.

9/20/2007 12:26:05 AM

all of that, of course, hinges on the presumption that there is actually a problem, despite any hard evidence to back it up

9/20/2007 12:30:09 AM

yes, youre so right. there no evidence.

nope.

nothing to see here, folks.

move along.

9/20/2007 12:34:03 AM

Of course there are more Rs than Ds on that list. The organization that made the list is admittedly progressive and serves as a counterweight to the conservative-slanted Judicial Watch.

9/20/2007 12:54:16 AM

n/m fuck it

ONE PARTY SYSTEM

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 4:39 PM. Reason : .]

9/20/2007 4:39:15 PM

You can't draw many conclusions out of that list. None of us have likely taken the time to figure out how those congressmen/women were judged. So government employees are corrupt. Shocking news...

As a result, there's no real need for retorts from the usual conservative apologists. Especially bullshit talking points like these:

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"Yeah, and many of the wealthiest members of Congress are Democrats. I'm sure they made all that money by looking out for the working man and woman. "

B/c only poor people are honest

Talk about double-standards. If a Republican was that rich you'd have no issue with it. However, since it's a Democrat who's rich, they must have made their money screwing the constituents they claim to be helping. I've never understood this logic and likely never will.

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"good thing Al Gore isn't in Congress anymore that carbon credit scheme would propel him into the #1 spot"

Bad idea? Maybe, but calling it corruption is retarded.

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"And these [Democrats] will be the fine folks who will be putting together your universal health care for ya."

Being rich and a Democrat somehow excludes you from introducing health care legislation. Got it.

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 6:10 PM. Reason : sf]

9/20/2007 6:10:13 PM

not seeing it as corruption is beyond retarded

Goal: Reduce Pollution

Solution: Allow unlimited pollution, so long as the polluters pay money for trees to be planted!

9/20/2007 6:43:54 PM

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"I see more Rs than Ds."

9/20/2007 9:08:52 PM

^^What do you think is corrupt about that?

Obviously, it raises some class issues, but I've got no problems with the upper, upper class using their money to do something decent.

9/20/2007 11:19:45 PM

^^^ way to oversimplify a complex issue, distort the facts, and hope everyone is too stupid to question your sophomoric logic.

9/21/2007 12:11:32 AM

The overall idea is to reduce pollution

But they don't care if you pollute! As long as you buy the carbon credits for the amount of pollution...thats the dumb part

Gore owns part of one of the carbon credit companies...he makes money of people polluting and plants trees to supposedly counteract the pollution...thats the corrupt part

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 12:55 AM. Reason : .]

9/21/2007 12:45:48 AM

^How is planting trees corrupt?

And are you really saying that him making money is corrupt? All of the sudden, you have a problem with capitalism?

9/21/2007 2:14:02 AM

The issue is the conflict of interest. Gore is out scaring people about global warming and profiting from people's fears. It's very similar to Dick Cheney scaring people by exaggerating the threat of terrorism and then profiting off the war with his investments in Halliburton.

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 2:22 AM. Reason : 2]

9/21/2007 2:17:17 AM

I disagree.

Gore is no longer an elected official. Gore genuinely believes global warming is a threat and believes carbon credits are a positive step towards decreasing pollution. And people are paying voluntarily--I haven't personally bought a carbon credit before...have you?

I just don't see how these actions could make Gore the number one most corrupt member of congress if he was in office, like TreeTwista suggested.

(This isn't like Cheney at all.)

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 2:42 AM. Reason : sss]

9/21/2007 2:41:23 AM

I have to agree with Bridget. If Gore was still in office and allocating tax dollars to fund global warming research which he then used to promote tax credits for a business he partly owned, that would be crooked.

However he is not elected so all he is doing, at worst, is marketing for his company. Giving people a reason to buy his product, a very compelling reason at that. It's no different than a car manufacturer having the CEO advertise that their cars are more powerful, or get better gas mileage, or whatever. He is giving you data to try to prove that there is a need to buy their product. Gore is doing the same thing, except that in his movie he doesn't say anything about wanting anyone to buy carbon credits. As a matter of fact, at the end of the movie, there is a long list of things you can do to reduce carbon emissions that have absolutely nothing to do with Gore or his company.

Very different than a VP helping to groom intelligence reports to scare congress into voting for a war that subsequently results in hundreds of millions of dollars in no bid contracts for a company he still has an interest in.

9/21/2007 10:49:31 AM

9/21/2007 11:11:02 AM

ah, the sign of a lost argument...

9/21/2007 12:30:25 PM

i don't think i was arguing anything

google image search didn't bring up much for "circle jerk", so i found that image amusing

9/21/2007 12:37:49 PM

why not just attempt to refute what they posted instead?

9/21/2007 12:44:51 PM

what is there to refute?

this is the same old tired thread that is a big circle jerk

9/21/2007 1:10:39 PM

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"I have to agree with Bridget. If Gore was still in office and allocating tax dollars to fund global warming research which he then used to promote tax credits for a business he partly owned, that would be crooked. However he is not elected "

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"good thing Al Gore isn't in Congress anymore that carbon credit scheme would propel him into the #1 spot"

9/21/2007 6:36:16 PM

^Check what Opstand is saying though...

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"Opstand: I have to agree with Bridget. If Gore was still in office and allocating tax dollars to fund global warming research which he then used to promote tax credits for a business he partly owned, that would be crooked. However he is not elected "

Gore isn't currently allocating tax dollars. He's selling shit to people who voluntarily buy in.

So, even if he was in office, it's still nothing like Cheney. It's still not corrupt.

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 6:56 PM. Reason : sss]

9/21/2007 6:53:22 PM

oh, so as long as you aren't an elected official, it's perfectly OK to try and convince the world that a problem exists and the solution is to use your product, right? and, as long as you aren't an elected official, it's OK to also try and persuade the gov't to get on board with your plan so you can make more money, right?

9/21/2007 8:29:34 PM

oh boy

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 8:47 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2007 8:45:21 PM

^^You're absolutely right.

Gore has so much fucking money that he's gotten bored with it. The only way he can get off is by swindling people. Money doesn't smell good to him unless he feels like he's cheated it out other folks' hands. That's how rich and jaded he is.



It has nothing to do with the fact that he believes in what he says and genuinely thinks what he does is good and decent.

[Edited on September 23, 2007 at 1:20 AM. Reason : Pathetic.]

9/23/2007 1:20:02 AM

9/23/2007 4:10:38 AM

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"oh, so as long as you aren't an elected official, it's perfectly OK to try and convince the world that a problem exists and the solution is to use your product, right? and, as long as you aren't an elected official, it's OK to also try and persuade the gov't to get on board with your plan so you can make more money, right?"

Yes, it's called capitalism, something you usually seem to back without fail. Not sure what the issue is this time though, I guess it's that Gore is making money instead of some other rich white guy.

9/24/2007 9:39:30 AM

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" google image search didn't bring up much for "circle jerk""

Now I know you're lying, this is the internet were talking about here

9/24/2007 11:25:26 AM

check out the list on the bottom of the page. its on point:

http://tinyurl.com/3c5y72

9/25/2007 10:24:02 AM

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" * Ban Congress putting spouses on the payroll * Ban lobbyists who are related to senators or congressmen * Ban insurance companies from backing out on Katrina coverage * Ban trade quotas that drive up prices but save few jobs * Ban teachers unions' work rules that stop education reform * Ban nicotine additives to cigarettes * Ban drug-company bribes to doctors * Ban immigration from terrorist countries "

10/10/2007 6:39:03 PM

^ you should add

Ban congressional members from serving as lobbyists for at least five years after the end of their service in congress.
Ban political appointees who have served as lobbyists from being appointed to lead agenices.
Ban political appointees from serving in lobbying firms for at least five years after their tenure ends.

10/10/2007 7:42:32 PM

those were taken from the article

10/10/2007 7:43:18 PM

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"I see more Rs than Ds."

so? do you really think democrats are any more resistant or less corrupt? (if yes give me about a hour to respond, ill be laughing)

10/12/2007 11:06:41 AM