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"During the week of October 22-26, 2007, the nation will be rocked by the biggest conservative campus protest ever – Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week, a wake-up call for Americans on 200 university and college campuses. The purpose of this protest is as simple as it is crucial: to confront the two Big Lies of the political left: that George Bush created the war on terror and that Global Warming is a greater danger to Americans than the terrorist threat."

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism-awareness-week/

And the home page: http://www.terrorismawareness.org/


I mean, I'm no fan of the current brand of Islamic fundamentalism and feel it to be an enemy of liberal Western thought, but I continually find it ironic that a large portion of the Republican / Neocon hardcore element so freely use references to fascism, when they're probably the closest thing to fascists that America has seen in 40 years.

10/22/2007 10:43:28 AM

On a lighter note.....

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/jimmy-carters-war/

10/22/2007 10:46:24 AM

I'm particularly impressed with how they connected global warming to Islamo-Fascism by saying that terrorism is a bigger threat.

10/22/2007 11:07:44 AM

^It's not.

^^^I agree. Liberals on the left are closer to communism. But something conservatives fail to realize is that the other end of the spectrum is fascism. You go too far right and that's what you get what we have.

[Edited on October 22, 2007 at 4:35 PM. Reason : .]

10/22/2007 4:34:42 PM

So, when is Christo-Fascist awareness week?

10/22/2007 4:38:22 PM

^ November 4th 2008?

10/22/2007 4:54:00 PM

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"So, when is Christo-Fascist awareness week?"

If you're a reflective individual, the answer is always "this week."

10/22/2007 4:57:55 PM

I bet hooksaw is hosting it here

10/22/2007 5:05:09 PM

hey IMStoned420...you're like who I was 8 years ago...just don't get mad when your TSB friends turn on you once you get older and wiser and when they can't argue one of your points they'll resort to "You have smoked yourself retarded"

And as far as the thread, the term Islamofascism is simply fascism in a country ruled by Islamic Law, or a society ruled by Islamic Law...for example, personal freedoms and rights play second fiddle to the most important thing, which is the state...in this case the state is the nation/state/region ruled by Islamic Law and upholding Islamic Law above everything else

[Edited on October 22, 2007 at 5:29 PM. Reason : .]

10/22/2007 5:21:08 PM

Except that the Islamic fundamentalism is more theocratic that fascist. In a truly fascist state, the state would be above religion. However, the actors currently propagating the ideology incorrectly labeled by the neo-conservative crowd as "Islamo-fascism", are looking for a multi-state Islamic theocracy.

This administration and its apologists are the ones I see working hardest to consolidate state powers in a central location and discourage questioning of executive rule.

10/22/2007 5:44:04 PM

"Fascism" is such a broad and loosely-defined term that it can be (and has been) used to categorize every and any political group.

The word has devolved into a blanket political insult.

10/22/2007 6:36:40 PM

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"The word has devolved into a blanket political insult."

Also see: Liberal

10/22/2007 6:43:54 PM

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"In a truly fascist state, the state would be above religion"

sure, but when there is virtually no separation of church and state in some countries like iran, its fascism since religion and state are hand in hand

10/22/2007 7:05:27 PM

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"The word has devolved into a blanket political insult."

I wholeheartedly agree, and I am loathe to use it simply because I get the image of :shudder: dirty hippies hurling hackey sacks and mindless epithets at anyone who tries to engage them in logical debate because they're so emotionally married to their ideology that they can't fathom dissent.

That being said, I've got no problems calling the current administration fascist leaning.

^ I see where you're coming from, but I think . . . since we're playing the definition game here . . . that a theocracy is a better term. When you're referring to an organization as nebulous as al Qaeda you can't accuse them of fascism because they're a non-state entity. I think the administration purposely avoids the term "fundamentalist" because a lot of the more rightish. members of the GOP self-identify as Christian-fundamentalists. In the case of Iran, the states "authority" appeals to God, which defines it as a theocracy. The appeal isn't to the power of the state, but to divine authority as handed down from Allah.

[Edited on October 22, 2007 at 9:15 PM. Reason : .]

10/22/2007 9:13:24 PM

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis.

10/22/2007 9:51:25 PM

TreeTwista10: What is TSB?

10/22/2007 10:41:14 PM

^TSB = The Soap Box

^^^good point about there being no state in "islamofascism" but their mentality is still islamic law rule...still fascism by my definition

10/23/2007 12:30:55 AM

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"OKLAHOMA CITY — An Oklahoma lawmaker is objecting to getting a copy of the Koran from the Governor's Ethnic American Advisory Council. "I object to the use of the state Centennial Seal and the state Seal all in an effort to further their religion," state Representative Rex Duncan said Monday. Duncan also wrote his colleagues that he rejected the gift because "most Oklahomans do not endorse the idea of killing innocent women and children in the name of ideology." Marjaneh Seirafi-Pour, chairwoman of the governor's council and a Muslim, said she received a call from Duncan wondering whether state money was used to buy the books. She told the Tulsa World newspaper that members of the Muslim community paid for the copies. "We are not trying to force anything on anyone. This is a peaceful, thoughtful project to introduce ourselves to leaders," she said. Earlier, lawmakers also received a copy of the Bible sponsored by The Baptist General Convention in Oklahoma. "Mine is proudly on my desk on the Capitol and I don't think I ever read a part of it that condones the killing of women and children in furtherance of God's word," Duncan said. "It's one of the nicest things I've received in my three years in the Legislature." "

LOL

10/23/2007 2:15:28 PM

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"I don't think I ever read a part of it that condones the killing of women and children in furtherance of God's word"

Is he serious? Its bad juju to be a first born son when Yaweh gets his anger on.

[Edited on October 23, 2007 at 2:31 PM. Reason : j]

10/23/2007 2:17:39 PM

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"I bet hooksaw is hosting it here"

Wolfman Tim

I hadn't even posted here, but you had to bring me into it. You need your conservative bogeyman to feel better about yourself, don't you?

You, of course, are free to host an Islamofascists' love-in. I'm sure it'll end with a BANG!

10/23/2007 6:08:03 PM

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"You need your conservative bogeyman to feel better about yourself, don't you?"

10/23/2007 6:12:37 PM

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"Is he serious?"

Perhaps he's only read the New Testament.

10/23/2007 7:58:22 PM

ahahaha, I really can't stand him but I laughed:

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"I'm sure it'll end with a BANG!"

10/23/2007 8:54:03 PM

^ me too, I'll admit.

10/24/2007 12:23:46 AM

^^ and ^ So, do you dislike me so much that you won't add the quotation at issue to "Soap Box Quotes - 2007"? You know, a lot of the stuff I put on here is quality--but the haters just won't give me my due and proper.

10/24/2007 1:06:02 AM

^^ meh. i thought it was kind of pandering to the obvious, and generally played-out.

but you know, that's just me.

10/24/2007 2:08:38 AM

^^ If Cheney can nominate himself for VP you can damn well certainly post your own quotes in that thread

10/24/2007 7:29:34 AM

The Bible and the Koran are strikingly similar if you actually read them both. Heres one example from the bible.

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)

Many of the quotes you see are taken out of context, but this passage is actually in the context of being moral advice. it's really all a matter of which parts you decide to follow. The culture chooses the interpretation of the book, the book doesn't shape the culture.

10/24/2007 7:57:01 AM

umm...

you know they both come from the Abrahamic tradition, right?

10/24/2007 10:20:05 AM

yes i know that, thats why I think it's so screwed up when people call one evil and the other good. Their basically the same book with different ways of saying things. If you wanted to interpret the bible the way the taliban interprets the Koran you could find plenty of support for killing infidels and subjugating women.

10/24/2007 2:46:54 PM

Well, when you say the "Bible" and include the OT, then yes there are many parallels between Islam and Judaism. Christianity represents a major break, in that, while the other two are based on a codified relationship with G-d as a result of his revealed commandments and emphasizing acts; Christianity emphasizes a personal and spiritual relation with G-d where the spirit of the act is more important.

That being said, Westernized Christianity is far different from what Jesus taught.

10/24/2007 3:00:31 PM

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" I think it's so screwed up when people call one evil and the other good. Their basically the same book with different ways of saying things."

Welcome to religion, where differences in the interpretation of ideas ancillary to the fundamental message are amplified into millennium-plus long struggles between 'opposing' sects with more commonalities than differences.

It's an opposites attract/likes repel situation on an epic scale.

10/24/2007 3:16:01 PM

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""Fascism" is such a broad and loosely-defined term that it can be (and has been) used to categorize every and any political group. The word has devolved into a blanket political insult."

It dumbs down the debate to so completely mislabel our enemies.

But I guess that's the Right's forte.

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"sure, but when there is virtually no separation of church and state in some countries like iran, its fascism since religion and state are hand in hand"

lawlz. plz to read books.

[Edited on October 24, 2007 at 4:50 PM. Reason : .]

10/24/2007 4:49:47 PM

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"It dumbs down the debate to so completely mislabel our enemies. But I guess that's the [s]Right's[s] Left's forte."

"Fascist!" has been a go to epithet for the left much farther back than the Bush administration. I always associate that with hard-core beatniks / hippies who are stumped by rational debate.

10/24/2007 4:58:09 PM

To be honest there aren't many people on either side able to cope with rational debate.

10/24/2007 5:01:32 PM

well thats just fascist talk there.

10/24/2007 5:02:40 PM

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""Socialist!" has been a go to epithet for the right much farther back than the Bush administration. I always associate that with under-educated biblethumping fucknuts who are stumped by rational debate."

10/24/2007 8:09:23 PM

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"the nation will be rocked by the biggest conservative campus protest ever"

For those about to rock!...

We wish you would shut the hell up already. Global warming and terrorism!? Holy shit who gives money to these types of things??

I probably know but i really wish just not to pay attention.

So another note, has anyone seen this on NC State's campus? And Gary does not count.

I haven't at MS State. Surprisingly. Yet.

10/24/2007 10:49:50 PM

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"Well, when you say the "Bible" and include the OT, then yes there are many parallels between Islam and Judaism. Christianity represents a major break, in that, while the other two are based on a codified relationship with G-d as a result of his revealed commandments and emphasizing acts; Christianity emphasizes a personal and spiritual relation with G-d where the spirit of the act is more important. That being said, Westernized Christianity is far different from what Jesus taught."

Amen, brother.

10/25/2007 1:32:50 AM

if this was ACTUALLY a week to stand against Islam as a religion I'd totally be there

fuck the Big 3 religions... and probably fuck the minor ones too

10/25/2007 11:06:05 AM

The Left and the Term 'Islamo-Fascism'

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"Regarding the term 'Islamo-Fascism,' most students heard the arguments I presented for the legitimacy of the term for the first time in their lives. Very briefly summarized, these arguments were: First, the term is not anti-Muslim. One may object to the term on factual grounds, i.e., one may claim that there are no fascistic behaviors among people acting in the name of Islam -- but such a claim is a denial of the obvious. So once one acknowledges the obvious, that there is fascistic behavior among a core of Muslims -- specifically, a cult of violence and the wanton use of physical force to impose an ideology on others -- the term "Islamo-Fascism" is entirely appropriate. Second, the question then arises as to whether that term is anti-Muslim in that it besmirches the name of Islam and attempts to describe all Muslims as fascist. This objection, too, has a clear response. The term no more implies all Muslims or Islam is fascistic than the term 'German fascism' implied all Germans were fascists or 'Italian fascism' or 'Japanese fascism' implied that all Italians or all Japanese were fascists. Indeed, even religious groups have been labeled as fascist. During World War II, for example, Croatian Catholic fascists were called Catholic Fascists, and no one argued that the term was invalid because it purportedly labeled all Catholics or Catholicism fascist. When the left uses the term 'American imperialism,' are they implying that all Americans are imperialists? Then why does Islamo-Fascism label all Muslims? Third, given the horrors being perpetrated by some Muslims in the name of Islam -- from the genocide currently being practiced by the Islamic Republic of Sudan, to the mass murders of innocents in Iraq, Israel, America, Britain, Bali, Thailand, the Philippines and elsewhere -- what term is more accurate than 'Islamo-Fascism'? 'Islamic totalitarianism'? 'Jihadists'? 'Bad Muslims'? The left's organized crusade against Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week was simply the latest shame in the long and shameful history of the left's inability to confront those engaged in great evil -- like the left's ferocious opposition during the Cold War to labeling communism as 'totalitarian' or 'evil' and its nearly universal condemnation of President Ronald Reagan's description of the Soviet Union as an 'evil empire.' That Muslim student groups and other Muslim organizations joined with the left in the ad hominem condemnation of Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week was most unfortunate. Many Muslims know well that there is indeed such a thing as Islamo-Fascism, and they should be the first to join in fighting it. It is not those who use the term 'Islamo-Fascism' who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists."

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23132

Indeed.

10/31/2007 12:10:05 AM

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" So once one acknowledges the obvious, that there is fascistic behavior among a core of Muslims... Second, the question then arises as to whether that term is anti-Muslim in that it besmirches the name of Islam and attempts to describe all Muslims as fascist."

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" Third, given the horrors being perpetrated by some Muslims in the name of Islam -- from the genocide currently being practiced by the Islamic Republic of Sudan, to the mass murders of innocents in Iraq, Israel, America, Britain, Bali, Thailand, the Philippines and elsewhere -- what term is more accurate than 'Islamo-Fascism'? 'Islamic totalitarianism'? 'Jihadists'? 'Bad Muslims'?"

Given that logic, someone could easily label the US as American Fascists. We're obviously killing innocent people in Iraq. How do you not see the blatant hypocrisy in this and almost everything else you post?

Look, I see the point you're trying to make. I agree that there are sects within Islam that are radical and could be described as fascist. But the term Islamo-Fascist is offensive for the simple fact that it is incredibly broad. Narrow it down to Shiite fascists or something more descriptive. The problem is this term labels a billion people as fascists who are obviously not anything of the sort. Some of them may be, but it is not fair in any way to place such a harsh label on all of them. That's what people get pissed off about. Just because Bush coined an extremely poor term to describe them doesn't mean his idea is completely wrong. It just means he's an idiot for applying it to so many people who don't fit into that stereotype.

10/31/2007 12:26:10 AM

^ Bush didn't "coin" the term--and you're the idiot.

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"According to Roger Scruton of the Wall Street Journal, the term was introduced by the French historian Maxime Rodinson to describe the Iranian Revolution of 1978. Scruton claims that Rodinson 'was a Marxist, who described as "fascist" any movement of which he disapproved', but credits him with inventing a 'convenient way of announcing that you are not against Islam but only against its perversion by the terrorists.' . In 1990 Malise Ruthven wrote, in The Independent: 'Nevertheless there is what might be called a political problem affecting the Muslim world. In contrast to the heirs of some other non-Western traditions, including Hinduism, Shintoism and Buddhism, Islamic societies seem to have found it particularly hard to institutionalise divergences politically: authoritarian government, not to say Islamo-fascism, is the rule rather than the exception from Morocco to Pakistan.' Albert Scardino of the The Guardian attributes the term to an article by Muslim scholar Khalid Duran in the Washington Times, where he used it to describe the push by some Islamist clerics to 'impose religious orthodoxy on the state and the citizenry'. The related term, Islamic fascism, was adopted by journalists including Stephen Schwartz and Christopher Hitchens, who intended it to refer to Islamist extremists, including terrorist groups such as al Qaeda, although he more often tends to use the phrases 'theocratic fascism' or 'fascism with an Islamic face' (a play on Susan Sontag's phrase 'fascism with a human face', referring to the declaration of martial law in Poland in 1981). Some commentators including Paul Berman, an American author and professor of journalism at New York University, believe there are similarities between historical fascism and Islamofacism:"

http://www.reference.com/search?q=islamofascism

-And-

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"The term no more implies all Muslims or Islam is fascistic than the term 'German fascism' implied all Germans were fascists or 'Italian fascism' or 'Japanese fascism' implied that all Italians or all Japanese were fascists. Indeed, even religious groups have been labeled as fascist. During World War II, for example, Croatian Catholic fascists were called Catholic Fascists, and no one argued that the term was invalid because it purportedly labeled all Catholics or Catholicism fascist. When the left uses the term 'American imperialism,' are they implying that all Americans are imperialists? Then why does Islamo-Fascism label all Muslims?"

God, I get so sick and tired of having to educate know-it-all dumbasses. So what term would you use to describe Islamic fascism, bright guy?

10/31/2007 12:45:18 AM

i'm going to simply ask that people stop referring to neo-cons as republicans

we have like 4 parties

libertarian

democratic

republican

religious (right, left, neocons, etc)

10/31/2007 1:06:11 AM

Fine, so Bush didn't coin it. But he was certainly the one who thrust it into modern public debate. The word has kind of taken on a different meaning than was originally intended though. It was originally used to describe a government subjugating its own people. Bush used it to describe the people we're supposedly going after because he had played out the word 'terrorist.'

The difference between us calling them fascists and us calling ourselves imperialists is that we're doing it to ourselves. You can get away with labeling yourself a whole lot easier than you can labeling some other country, especially one as culturally different as the Middle East. Anything remotely negative we say about them is going to get twisted around into the worst possible way. Wouldn't it be easier if we were attempting to work with them to solve differences instead of calling them names? I know you're gonna tell me to take off my rose colored glasses, but Bush has had just about the worst Mid East diplomacy imaginable. It just doesn't make sense to me to antagonize an entire region by insulting their religion rather than pursuing some multilateral attempt to eradicate these radical Muslim groups. Most of them are coming from Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. These countries represent a fairly small total of the region. If we were to somehow gain the political support of the rest of the countries by not being so fucking gung-ho over there, then I think we could potentially make some real progress. The aggression by Bush though has probably set us back decades. Even if Iraq becomes a stable democracy (and that's a long-fucking-shot), we're still going to have a shitload of enemies over there. Those new enemies are the ones that are gonna follow us home.

10/31/2007 1:06:56 AM

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"So what term would you use to describe Islamic fascism, bright guy?"

What about just "fascism"?

The term was coined to specifically prick at the Muslims.

It would be if non-Americans started calling Bush a Christian-fascist. Christians and Americans know that Bush doesn't represent Christianity, but associating him with Christianity impugns all of Christianity. It's a propaganda technique.

Anyone w/ a shred of intelligence would see Islamo-facism for a propaganda technique as well. But so what? It's one in a long line of them, and realistically, not even the worst issue plaguing our gov.

Also, it seems there are very few on the left who vociferously oppose this. At the least, it's not an issue that can be used to characterize "leftists" at all, at least no like abortion or the war in Iraq.

[Edited on October 31, 2007 at 1:25 AM. Reason : ]

10/31/2007 1:16:23 AM

^
You'd better fix that one grammatical error before hooksaw uses it to destroy all of your credibility.

I know I didn't care about this until hooksaw brought it up. My only regret for getting into this is that I got some vagina blood on my keyboard...

[Edited on October 31, 2007 at 1:23 AM. Reason : ]

10/31/2007 1:22:31 AM

^^^^ Some conservatives are also referred to as "paleocons," but the idiots here have probably never heard of the word and they love tossing around "neocon" too much to abandon that trinket.

^^ Stupid, weak, and doesn't properly answer the question. Just "fascism"? That does nothing to distinguish the many forms of fascism. And if I were a Christian, I wouldn't mind the term "Christian-fascist" at all. In fact, I would welcome it as a way to help distinguish dangerous radicals from the rest of the legitimate and peaceful followers of the religion.

^ Fuck you, you fucking troll. If you don't like my posts or my threads, don't fucking respond.

[Edited on October 31, 2007 at 1:32 AM. Reason : .]

10/31/2007 1:32:19 AM

^ you're dumber than I initially thought if you don't think Christians in general would have a problem with non-Christians calling Americans Christian-fascists.

10/31/2007 1:35:16 AM

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"Some conservatives are also referred to as "paleocons," but the idiots here have probably never heard of the word and they love tossing around "neocon" too much to abandon that trinket."

Reminds me of another word... Hmm, what is it? Oh yeah, liberal.

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"Fuck you, you fucking troll. If you don't like my posts or my threads, don't fucking respond."

No, no. I honestly take great pleasure out of reading your threads. You must have misinterpreted my posts as thinking you're an idiot. That's not really what I think. I'm sure you're a very intelligent person. But I also hold the opinion that you are wrong about almost every single thing that is important to the good of America, politics, and being a caring human being. That's all.

10/31/2007 1:43:51 AM