didn't hurt us for once

[Edited on November 10, 2007 at 3:43 PM. Reason : UNC-Ref conspiracy is now the NCSU-Ref conspiracy]

11/10/2007 3:32:03 PM

I'm not really sure why that wasn't a TD for UNC... he had the catch.

Not that I'm complaining but we got away with one by the rules...

[Edited on November 10, 2007 at 3:35 PM. Reason : and before you bitch at me... read the rulebook.]

11/10/2007 3:34:41 PM

They weren't not terrible though.

11/10/2007 3:34:44 PM

what rule exactly? ground cannot cause a fumble but it can cause and incompletion.

11/10/2007 3:40:21 PM

nym did you even see the play in normal speed??


in slow motion it obviously makes it look like a catch .... just watch it again

11/10/2007 3:40:52 PM

^^^^i've seen countless plays on the sidelines ruled incompletions when the receiver loses possession as he hits the ground. i cant imagine its any different in the endzone instead of on the sideline.

[Edited on November 10, 2007 at 3:41 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2007 3:41:25 PM

exactly ^,

it's no different than an open field tackle incompletion forced by never having full posession. it was even reviewed.. JUST WATCH IT AGAIN AND GET A RULE BOOK BUDDY

11/10/2007 3:43:08 PM

NyM410, are you a closet carolina homo?

11/10/2007 3:43:40 PM

I dont know all the rules, but I do know that when that player got up, I dont remember him bitching at the ref. Looked to me like he knew it was incomplete. And in the replays, the ball spits out so fast around the time he hit the ground, its hard to determine exactly when it came out. I say good call.

11/10/2007 3:44:47 PM

you have to come to the ground w/ posession of the ball, he didnt

11/10/2007 3:45:50 PM

he didn't catch the football

it's not rocket science

11/10/2007 3:46:32 PM

speaking of refs, ohio state just got screwed and didnt get a review in on an obvious fumble, but that makes me happy

11/10/2007 3:47:35 PM

Aficionado, he's pretty open about being a Heels fan.

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"you have to come to the ground w/ posession of the ball, he didnt"

Is this something new? Or some special point of emphasis?

Cause until this season, I had never heard this. Now, I've heard it three different times.

^^Yeah, I figured he never actually got possession.

[Edited on November 10, 2007 at 3:48 PM. Reason : ]

11/10/2007 3:47:39 PM

you can't establish possession in the air, which is why your feet have to come down inbounds

11/10/2007 3:51:30 PM

i thought it wouldve been a TD if there wasnt a defender there since he had possession for a short time, but if theres a defender right in the play you have to maintain possession?

11/10/2007 4:01:42 PM

if there wasn't a defender there HE STILL LET GO BEFORE HE TOUCHED THE GROUND
if there wasn't a defender there they may have assumed the ground forced it out but it didn't

11/10/2007 4:05:47 PM

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"Aficionado, he's pretty open about being a Heels fan."

haha, what?

I am?

I just hate Duke more and am an objective State fan... if that makes me a Carolina fan so be it.^^

[Edited on November 10, 2007 at 4:06 PM. Reason : ^^ yep..]

11/10/2007 4:06:03 PM

The location of the ball is partially obscured by his arms and torso while he's coming down, but look how far the ball is away from him IMMEDIATELY after he hits the ground.

It had to be coming out before he hit, there is no way he established control.

11/10/2007 4:17:04 PM

hey, he's a METS fan too obviously. today and THE ENTIRE BASEBALL season must've sucked for him...

11/10/2007 4:19:15 PM

I no longer felt like sending the refs a Christmas card when they called that 65 yard punt return back to the 5 yard line.

11/10/2007 4:20:20 PM

The entire baseball season sucks for me every year.

11/10/2007 4:21:06 PM

Guess what!? I don't care if the refs missed the call, got it correct or what, b/c it is a WIN AGAINST THE HEELS BABY! WOOOO

11/10/2007 4:27:21 PM

the refs were horrible, but at least they made shitty no-calls evenly for both teams. They let a lot of pass interference calls go when our secondary was getting burned, and they let our punter get hit by two people at once without calling anything.

I still don't believe the waved off intentional grounding went past the line of scrimmage, but it was hard to tell from where I was sitting.

11/10/2007 5:56:49 PM

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"UNC-Ref conspiracy is now the NCSU-Ref conspiracy"

Yeah, like that no call on the roughing the kicker? Or how about waiving off the intentional grounding?

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"I no longer felt like sending the refs a Christmas card when they called that 65 yard punt return back to the 5 yard line."

I don't know how half the people at the game were surprised when they called it back. The flag flew in while he was still in that area with the ball. Should have been very obvious not to get excited.

11/10/2007 5:58:06 PM

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"Yeah, like that no call on the roughing the kicker? Or how about waiving off the intentional grounding?"

on tv, both of those were clearly the right call. on the roughing the kicker thing, the guy went past the punter and hte punter flopped on top of him. it might, MIGHT, have been running into the kicker, but even that is questionable from the tv replays. plus, i dont think we had less than 4th and 5 so it wouldnt have really affected us.

the grounding appeared to go past the line of scrimmage, but just barely

11/10/2007 7:12:53 PM

Here are the rules for a completion. Its pretty clear the refs got the UNC incompletion correct.

From the NCAA 2007 football rulebook:

Catch, Interception, Recovery
ARTICLE 7. A catch is an act of firmly establishing player possession of a
live ball in flight.
c. To catch, intercept or recover a ball, a player who leaves his feet to
make a catch, interception or recovery must have the ball firmly in his
possession when he first returns to the ground inbounds with any part of his body or is so held that the dead-ball provisions of Rule 4-1-3-p apply
(A.R. 2-2-7-I-V and A.R. 7-3-6-IV).
2. Loss of ball simultaneous to returning to the ground is not a catch,
interception or recovery.



Perhaps heel fans take after their coaches. They both seem to not know the rules. However, with ole Roy, it gets him out of jams to claim he doesnt.

11/10/2007 7:15:53 PM

ha, I call bullshit on that intentional grounding. That ball clearly bounced short of the marker for the LOS.

11/10/2007 7:24:00 PM

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"I don't know how half the people at the game were surprised when they called it back. The flag flew in while he was still in that area with the ball. Should have been very obvious not to get excited."

That doesn't mean that I still didn't want the 65 yard punt return to stand.

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"on the roughing the kicker thing, the guy went past the punter and hte punter flopped on top of him. "

I'll say it in this thread too. We have gotten a roughing the kicker penalty a few times in the past when we did the exact same thing.

11/10/2007 7:54:37 PM

the fucking grouding no-call was absolutely the worst call of the game. that probably would have won us the game right there.

11/10/2007 7:55:17 PM

^^^^ thank you. I was too lazy to actually look up the rule and wanted to piss someone else off into looking it up...

Good call and GREAT win.. TOB is the man.

[Edited on November 10, 2007 at 7:57 PM. Reason : i hate boston college and every single one of their fans.]

11/10/2007 7:57:35 PM

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"We have gotten a roughing the kicker penalty a few times in the past when we did the exact same thing."

well, luckily, two wrongs always make a right

11/10/2007 8:10:30 PM

just because the punter landed on the guy doesn't mean it wasn't a roughing the kicker penalty. You can't just slide underneath him and take his legs out on his descent.

11/11/2007 10:26:57 AM

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"the fucking grouding no-call was absolutely the worst call of the game. that probably would have won us the game right there. "

that made the difference between 2nd and 10 and 2nd and 22. It would have definitely changed things up quite a bit.

11/11/2007 10:28:09 AM

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"Yeah, like that no call on the roughing the kicker? Or how about waiving off the intentional grounding? "

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"the fucking grouding no-call was absolutely the worst call of the game. that probably would have won us the game right there."

What about the block in the back on Bowens long KO return. I watched the replay on DVR and Armstrong did nothing more than pat the defender in the back. The defender was well on his way from overrunning Bowens. Armstrong in no way prevented him from making the tackle.

11/11/2007 10:34:14 AM

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"The defender was well on his way from overrunning Bowens. Armstrong in no way prevented him from making the tackle."

unfortunately, this part of your post means nothing sucks but thats how it works. 5 yds away from the return man or 100 theyre still bringing it back

11/11/2007 12:22:19 PM

2nd in the nation in 2 pt offense. Opponents have shot 30+ more free throws.

1/26/2014 1:59:00 PM

Freeman double dribbled like a mother fucker.

1/26/2014 1:59:46 PM

can't wait to get some consistent, non-biased officiating when we roll through the CBI

1/26/2014 2:44:20 PM

"suck"

/thread

1/26/2014 2:55:55 PM

I'm grateful

1/26/2014 3:20:11 PM