I'm starting to think it's pretty close. I can only remember that team losing to the likes of Hampton, Ohio and College Charleston, which is pretty similar to the losses we have in UNO and ECU. Wasn't that Doh's second year too? It just brought me back to those good days and watching UNC get spanked by 20+ on most nights because they played no defense. I'm hoping we're not that bad but you can't shake the similarities.

BTW, this is an anti-Jinx thread to counteract against Grant's proclamation of a 4-loss season.

12/9/2007 8:20:28 PM

a carolina grad i work with mentioned this today

he said "hey man... I was enrolled during our 8-20 season, look what happened shortly after"

i said good point

12/9/2007 8:21:40 PM

yeah but they got a new superstar coach.

12/9/2007 8:23:41 PM

we are worse

12/9/2007 8:25:10 PM

suspend

12/9/2007 8:26:14 PM

we should have grabbed texas a&M coach

12/9/2007 8:27:26 PM

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"yeah but they got a new superstar coach."

so Nate McMillan's coming next year, and he found a way to get Oden's eligibility back, and Conley wanted in too?

sweet

12/9/2007 8:29:40 PM

Normally I dont think we are as bad as we seem after a loss, and there is some silver lining, but IT WAS FUCKING ECU!!

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"All of our coaches were guards. We have a shit ton of big men. Lack of knowledge of what our bigmen need to do?!?!!? Who the hell is trying to coach our bigmen, guards?"

12/9/2007 8:32:22 PM

larry harris?

[Edited on December 9, 2007 at 8:35 PM. Reason : ^]

12/9/2007 8:34:53 PM

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"there is some silver lining, but IT WAS FUCKING ECU!!"

yeah, there's really no silver lining here. We played like shit in every facet of the game, and (on paper) we had every single fucking advantage over them. Our guards are more athletic, our big men are taller and stronger, we're loaded at every position. And yet we looked like complete shit...again.

You can't even write this one off as "oh, we just needed a kick in the ass"

because New Orleans should have done that for us. It didn't.

12/9/2007 8:38:42 PM

Larry Harris is a good recruiter but a SHITTY big man coach. It's true

12/9/2007 10:00:42 PM

I'm so damn happy I didn't see this game.

12/10/2007 12:01:43 AM

Wojo is Duke's big man coach on a staff with even more guards.

12/10/2007 12:42:53 AM

yeah, and haven't you noticed how for the most part their big men either suck or transfer?

12/10/2007 8:40:35 AM

Let's not jump to conclusions.












We haven't won 8 yet.

12/10/2007 8:59:22 AM

all of our coaches were gaurds.......and all of our gaurds are horrible.......

12/10/2007 9:13:52 AM

to me the idea that you have to have a big guy to coach the bigs on a basketball team is stupid. you dont have to have played the position to know the fundamentals.

12/10/2007 9:16:56 AM

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"to me the idea that you have to have a big guy to coach the bigs on a basketball team is stupid. you dont have to have played the position to know the fundamentals."

exactly. Wojo at Duke has coached Elton Brand, Carlos Boozer, and Shelden Williams. All three great college players, two great pros.

It doesn't have anything to do with our coaching staff being a lot of guards or anything like that. It looks like to me that we have a coaching problem with defense, motivation, and desire.

12/10/2007 9:24:16 AM

don't forget the problems with offense

12/10/2007 9:27:58 AM

plus, most of the work for bigs takes place in the off season. if a program really wants to get them some more specialized coaching, send them to a big man camp.

12/10/2007 9:30:51 AM

^oh yeah. add that to the list as well. sidney lowe has some real problems to work out. it is one thing for this team to lose to NOU very early in the year. but ecu, who just got hammered by clemson on ecu's home floor, is completely unacceptable and really for the first time in his tenure, brings in to question his coaching ability.

12/10/2007 9:32:11 AM

Why are we talking about our assistant coaches? I have not seen one of our asst's talk to any player for any reason during the game or even during a timeout, they just look so out of place and let Lowe take care of everything. Not to pile on to this small coach big man thing, but Guthridge taught the bigs at UNC, seems like I can rattle off about 8-10 that went onto substantial NBA careers.

This team is somewhat close to the 8-20 UNC team but not talent wise. We'll certainly post a better record, but I see .500 at 15-15 as a real possibility because of complete ineptitude on the coaching staff's part that trickles down to the players, not that we have the most "cerebral" players to begin with. The amount of talent that we have this year, even with no coaching whatsoever (or even with Gavin as a player coach), should get us wins over N.O. and ECU, MSU is the only team that we should have needed a coach for this season, and they are an average team in the Big X. Doherty was dealing with an abomination of talent at UNC, we are not

[Edited on December 10, 2007 at 9:51 AM. Reason : .]

12/10/2007 9:50:16 AM

yeah this team is worlds better than that unc team and will not be that bad. there is plenty of talent for this team to be good. there is certainly something messing it up right now. whether its chemistry, coaching, etc. hopefully they get it figured out.

12/10/2007 10:31:15 AM

15-15 would be pretty damn good at this point for what im seeing

12/10/2007 10:34:47 AM

^ Not really, we're going to beat S Car st, Western, Presb, and N.C. Central. Right now, we're 4-3, with those 4 wins we would be 5 games over .500, so with the rest of the season (19 additional games) we could go 7-12 and still be .500 granted we win the scrub games at home. And I'm not making any excuses for the team, but ECU is better than S Car St, Western, Presb, and Central. This team will get better, but it isn't going to be overnight, and everyone should get prepared for the Davidson beatdown, they were leading UCLA by 16 at one point on Saturday I believe (and gave Duke and UNC all they could handle), they'll eat us for lunch, they're one of the smartest teams in basketball and our team, well, isn't.

12/10/2007 11:20:04 AM

i'm glad we don't have Chris Wright, Dan Werner and Larry Davis

this scrubs are averaging only 27ppg and 17rpg combined. i'm not impressed


i'm happy with what we have

12/10/2007 11:28:18 AM

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"Are we as bad as UNC's 8-20 team?"

is Sidney Lowe our Matt Doherty :crack: :crack:

12/10/2007 11:33:37 AM

alum- check.
good recruits- check.
can't coach... jury's still out.

12/10/2007 11:42:10 AM

To be fair, D'oh had that 8-20 year without his good recruits. He set the stage for Roy's first title..

12/10/2007 11:43:50 AM

rawr sidney lowe will set the stage for nate mcmillan.

the worst part of all of this, is that i really like sidney lowe. i wish he'd get his shit together

12/10/2007 11:47:00 AM

I'm with you. I love the guy. But my love has limits.

12/10/2007 11:49:30 AM

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"To be fair, D'oh had that 8-20 year without his good recruits. He set the stage for Roy's first title.."

very very very true. my dad is a huge carolina fan and he got pretty upset when i informed him that roy williams has still yet to win a championship with his OWN players. the only player on the 05 team that was his was marvin.

12/10/2007 11:59:07 AM

wait so you guys wanna go form one nba coach with no college head coaching experience to another nba coach with no college head coaching experience?

that makes total sense!

<3 nc state fans

12/10/2007 12:04:49 PM

i guess we could go for dereck whittenburg...

but we're getting ahead of ourselves.

12/10/2007 12:15:15 PM

the grass is always greener.....

12/10/2007 12:15:34 PM

man how could we have regressed so far past last march keeping most of our players

i mean shit we played better last year in the preseason than this year

i can't believe losing engin would make this much difference, it was still Sidney coaching last year too

[Edited on December 10, 2007 at 12:35 PM. Reason : ]

12/10/2007 12:30:39 PM

grass looks pretty dead on this side

12/10/2007 12:33:19 PM

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"we're going to beat S Car st, Western, Presb, and N.C. Central."

lol. I hope you're right.

12/10/2007 12:39:37 PM

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"is Sidney Lowe our Matt Doherty :crack: :crack:"

Not as long as Fowler is still around. I'm pretty sure that Lowe would have to flush more than two years down the shitter before Fowler did anything about it.



Sidney still has a ways to go before I'll write him off as a lost cause. But he really, really needs to figure out how to keep the wheels from falling off. Losing is one thing. But not even showing up to the game is completely unacceptable.

12/10/2007 12:39:38 PM

I think the thread title should read "Are we as good as UNC's 8-20 team?" To which I would say no. Being a State fan sucks. At least nobody could ever accuse us of being bandwagon fans. There hasn't been a bandwagon to be on at this school in over 20 years. So maybe we're suckwagon fans. Hmmm....

12/10/2007 1:29:23 PM

assuming our players get their heads straight (partly Lowe's fault in someway that they aren't) and we get good guard play we are gonna be really good, but right now too many players are trying to play out of their roles and not really giving 100%.

12/10/2007 1:31:46 PM

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"assuming our players get their heads straight (partly Lowe's fault in someway that they aren't) and we get good guard play we are gonna be really good"

It's going to take more than this.

12/10/2007 1:33:14 PM