My god, how sick is this now.

Fulmer
Spurrier
Saban
Myer
Petrino
Richt
Miles

Fucking brutal lineup

I guess you could throw in Tuberville and Nutt, but I dont think they fall into the same category.

12/11/2007 6:29:02 PM

tuberville is just as good as richt and petrino, at least. id say hes better than fulmer too

12/11/2007 6:31:00 PM

Well there is no doubt that Petrino is a great college coach. And Richt and Fulmer have had way more success than Tuberville, so I was mainly basing it on that.

12/11/2007 6:33:05 PM

the sec doesnt play

12/11/2007 6:36:04 PM

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

12/11/2007 6:36:25 PM

NFL... the training ground for SEC coaches

12/11/2007 6:45:08 PM

isn't Tuberville something like 10-2 against top 10 teams?

i remember it being something ridiculous

12/11/2007 7:19:56 PM

wtf is phil fulmer doing on that list

12/11/2007 7:23:33 PM

his contract was just extended, dontcha know

12/11/2007 7:25:43 PM

^^well Fulmer did win a national title not too long ago, and did win the SEC East this year. staff continuity and a few players that didn't pan out as expected is what hurt Tennessee the past few years.

Tuberville went 13-0 in 2004. He was the only one to beat eventual national champ Florida last year. Tuberville is a heck of a coach, which is why TAMU was considering him.

12/11/2007 7:30:56 PM

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"Well there is no doubt that Petrino is a great college coach. And Richt and Fulmer have had way more success than Tuberville, so I was mainly basing it on that."

Fulmer maybe, mainly because he has won a title, but there's no way Richt is better than Tuberville. Tuberville had a 13-0 season w/in the last 5 years (if memory serves me correctly) and the only reason he doesn't have a national title is the BCS system is a piece of shit and his team didn't even get to play for it. Richt has been to one BCS game prior to this year and his defense got embarrassed by WVU who was starting a freshman at quarterback and running back at the time. Not to mention he has to use gimmicks like having his whole team celebrate in the end zone after a score to motivate his team (in their win against Florida).

[Edited on December 11, 2007 at 7:32 PM. Reason : ^ exactly]

12/11/2007 7:31:38 PM

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"well Fulmer did win a national title not too long ago"

ten years ago

12/11/2007 7:32:32 PM

compare it to the acc. haha

12/11/2007 7:34:49 PM

^^ And Bobby Bowden won it 8 years ago, he's still considered an outstanding coach, despite his recent assistant coaching turnover. They'll be back in the upcoming years though.

^^^ Also Richt has been to what will soon be 3 BCS Bowls. He has won two SEC championships, 2002 and 2005 (both resulting in Sugar Bowl appearances) and four SEC East Division Championships, 2002, 2003, 2005, and 2007 (shared with Tennessee, w/ the Vols getting the tie breaker, but still ended up in the Sugar Bowl). So Richt is an outstanding coach too.

[Edited on December 11, 2007 at 7:38 PM. Reason : ]

12/11/2007 7:37:58 PM

bobby bowden is considered a great coach because he has more wins than any major college coach ever -- it doesn't matter how long it's been since he's won it all

fulmer is a good coach, better than just about everyone in the acc, but he is still out of place on that list

12/11/2007 7:39:17 PM

haha... Bear Bryant sucks... he hasn't won it all in forever.

V lol, having Tammy and Fridge on that list while trying to compare to SEC coaches is just downright embarrassing...

[Edited on December 11, 2007 at 7:42 PM. Reason : x]

12/11/2007 7:40:40 PM

^^^^ Beamer
B. Bowden
P. Johnson
O'Brien
arguably Davis
T. Bowden
R. Friedgen

Allowing for the fact that the ACC is a step down from the SEC in pretty much all things football, I would say the level of coaching from school to school (within the ACC) is comparable in competition and ability to that of the SEC. Basically the ACC isn't as good in all things as the SEC, but for a given ACC coach, the competition they have to go through within conference is pretty brutal as well.

[Edited on December 11, 2007 at 7:41 PM. Reason : adsf]

12/11/2007 7:41:04 PM

Fulmer is a great, great, great recruiter, second only to Carroll in my opinion. Tennessee is a shitty state for HS football but yet he still usually gets a top 5 recruiting class just stealing people from Georgia, Florida, NC, and the West Coast... however, he is a horrible X's and O's guy.

Horrible might not be the best word for it, stubborn might be better. He just figures "if we do the same shit we have done for the last 20 years we will win on pure talent alone 85-90% of the time" and he has been right, BUT the rest of the SEC is catching up (Kentucky, LSU, etc) or throwing in new wrinkles/adapting (Meyer)

12/11/2007 7:43:01 PM

ACC
Bobby Bowden
Frank Beamer
Tom O'Brien
Butch Motherfucking Davis
Paul Johnson (may not be on the great list right now, but is highly respected by nearly everyone and probably could have gotten an even better job than Georgia Tech)
Jim Grobe

That's not too bad of a list. Not SEC good, but still respectable.

12/11/2007 7:44:55 PM

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"Allowing for the fact that the ACC is a step down from the SEC in pretty much all things football, I would say the level of coaching from school to school (within the ACC) is comparable in competition and ability to that of the SEC. Basically the ACC isn't as good in all things as the SEC, but for a given ACC coach, the competition they have to go through within conference is pretty brutal as well. "

That makes absolutely no sense.

12/11/2007 9:24:12 PM

^^ lol, tob and grobe as great coaches. "wow, he managed to get a shitty school to look decent in a shitty conference! wowza!"

12/11/2007 9:47:14 PM

seriously, why is tob on that list?

12/11/2007 9:49:59 PM

^^^ the chess club at the special school is brutal... if you are yourself a student at the special school

see it makes perfect sense (if you are yourself a student at the special school)

12/11/2007 9:57:23 PM

^^^^ I was trying to say the coaches in the ACC aren't as good as those in the SEC. But then again, rival coaches and schools in the ACC aren't on par with the SEC either. Therefore a coach in the acc is on a level playing field when it comes to their competition and their own abilities. The same can be said for coaches in the SEC. They are better coaches, but they also face tougher competition.

[Edited on December 11, 2007 at 10:00 PM. Reason : asdf]

[Edited on December 11, 2007 at 10:00 PM. Reason : ^ basically, minus the sarcasm]

12/11/2007 10:00:07 PM

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"^^ lol, tob and grobe as great coaches. "wow, he managed to get a shitty school to look decent in a shitty conference! wowza!""

grobe is a great coach

he is a VERY well respected coach and one of the most sought-after coaches in the country

12/11/2007 10:03:13 PM

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"Beamer B. Bowden P. Johnson O'Brien arguably Davis T. Bowden R. Friedgen"

lol, i like that obrien gets the benefit of the doubt over davis here.

12/11/2007 10:12:38 PM

^ Haha. So I'm a little biased. Plus, it would be hard to argue that the coach of a 4-8 team (without a solid coaching job to his credit within the last 5 years) is a great coach.

12/11/2007 10:17:27 PM

id def. add Grobe and maybe Groh as well

12/11/2007 10:20:50 PM

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"seriously, why is tob on that list?"

Do I really need to point out why TOB is considered a good coach? BC is a combined 13-6 in bowl game appearances, with 8 of those bowls coming under TOB, and he won 6 straight bowl games (even though last years team that won the Car Care Bowl was his, he didn't coach in the game). Again this all coming at BC, a Northeastern team that's most memorable history is the Flutie pass from 1984. When you compare BC to most BCS schools they get blown out of the water in every aspect. Especially schools in the south (nearly every SEC school, and most ACC schools). BC has terrible facilities (recruiting disadvantages anyone), terrible fans, etc. So besides academics (which isn't as great as BC alum want to make it out to be, ND of the East, yeah right) what exactly does BC have to offer to attract great players? Great weather? Nope. Great atmosphere (tailgating, fan support, etc.)? Nope. Great facilities? Nope. Great city? Yes, Boston can be fun for many, but it still can get very cold there. Great looking co-eds? Eh, not really.

Yet this man was consistently getting BC in the Top 25, being near the top of the conference, and if he had a fanbase that was worth anything he would have gotten his team into more high profile bowls. He had 5 straight years of posting 8 wins or better at FREAKING BOSTON COLLEGE OF ALL PLACES!

Don't let this one transitional year here at State cloud your judgment. If he's such a terrible coach then why has his name been mentioned (as an outside candidate mind you) for the Michigan job?

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1144&CID=741148

12/11/2007 10:21:18 PM

^ the OP couldn't decide whether to include a man who went undefeated with an sec team in his list. and you are including a guy who just did pretty good at a shitty school

12/11/2007 10:23:33 PM

Doing pretty good at a shitty school is more impressive than being just above average in a conference where 70,000 is a small crowd and guys not in the starting lineup have NFL scouts looking at them.

12/11/2007 11:08:22 PM

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"He had 5 straight years of posting 8 wins or better at FREAKING BOSTON COLLEGE OF ALL PLACES!"

You do realize that BC is a better program right now than NCSU is, and has been for some time now.

And most college football fans don't know who the hell TOB is. I put up the SEC list because its a list of very successful and talented coaches. Probably the most talented list ever in one conference at a given time.

12/11/2007 11:41:08 PM

^And it's a better program right now because Tom O'Brien was at its helm for the past 10 years.

12/11/2007 11:51:30 PM

That wasn't the argument.

And he is hardly a big time or very succesful coach. Sure he was ranked some, and went mostly to some middle of the pack bowl games and won, but when it comes to big name college coaches with big time success, he is far from the top, which is what this thread is mainly about.

Is he a great coach? Most likely, but he has yet to turn it into big time success.

12/11/2007 11:55:08 PM

What in the fuck are you talking about?!?!?


You said this:

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" You do realize that BC is a better program right now than NCSU is, and has been for some time now."

In response to that statement alone I said this:

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"And it's a better program right now because Tom O'Brien was at its helm for the past 10 years."

Do you really think BC was a good program in spite of Tom O'Brien? If so you need your thread making privileges revoked.

12/12/2007 12:32:45 AM

No, Boston college was semi successful because of TOB. Was it only because of him? Nope, lets not be silly. The fact is, he turned the program around, but he has still yet to have major success. The fact that I stated is still a fact, BC is a better football program than NCSU. Its not really that hard to understand. Will TOB turn NCSU into an ACC power? Possibly. But BC seems to be doing fine so far without him. Either way, this isn't the point of the argument. Its that TOB isn't a big time college coach. Which was the point I made by listing all the big time coaches the SEC has on their roster this year.

^ I never said that the success of BC wasn't because of TOB, so I really don't see what you are trying to do there kid.

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 12:45 AM. Reason : .]

12/12/2007 12:44:11 AM

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"But BC seems to be doing fine so far without him."

Yeah and everyone thought that Miami would continue to do fine with Coker after he won the national championship and we all saw how that turned out.

12/12/2007 12:50:04 AM

Dexter just joined this site today and is already posting and arguing. He is a troll or an alias.

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"But BC seems to be doing fine so far without him."

Actually with the talent they had this year, they underachieved. It is not too hard to win when you have a top 5 QB and a load of seniors, several that will play in the NFL. They will struggle next year.

12/12/2007 12:51:32 AM

^^^Dude, I think you need to go back to your laboratory and cook something up that actually shows you know what the fuck you're talking about.

Please tell me what factors other than Tom O'Brien contributed to them being a good program. Was it their stellar fan base? Nope, don't think so. Well then, how about their state of the art facilities? Wrong again. Well that leaves their football tradition. One Heisman winning QB (Flutie) and a disputed national championship from the 1940s do not a tradition make. Does BC have more tradition than NC State? Yes, arguably. But who doesn't.

And BC doing fine for the year immediately following his departure, doesn't mean O'Brien didn't make that program. The vast majority of BC's current team and all of it's stars - Ryan, Dunbar, Silva, etc. were all recruited and groomed by O'Brien. It was, going into this season, recognized as one of O'Brien's best teams yet. All Jags had to do was set the program on auto-pilot and cruise to a 10 win season.

Is Tom O'Brien a "great coach." It depends on what you're looking at, but I would agree with you in saying not yet; however, the only coach in the ACC I would consider great is Bobby Bowden, and I would qualify that by saying he was the beneficiary of weak competition in the years before the ACC expanded. So as far as the ACC goes, O'Brien comes as close to being a great coach as anyone else.

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 1:07 AM. Reason : asdf]

12/12/2007 1:07:27 AM

Fine, so TOB lead to the success of BC. Either way, thats not the point. The point is he is not a big time college coach with big time success. You can say or claim whatever you want to, but thats the point I was trying to make. Right now he is middle of the pack ACC material.

I never said that the success of BC wasn't because of TOB. So you sitting here arguing about something I didn't say is almost hilarious.

Hell, I even posted this awhile ago in this thread...

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"No, Boston college was semi successful because of TOB. Was it only because of him? Nope, lets not be silly. The fact is, he turned the program around, but he has still yet to have major success. "

That argument isn't that he didn't do wonders for BC, its that he isn't a big time college coach.

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 1:14 AM. Reason : .]

12/12/2007 1:09:44 AM

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"No, Boston college was semi successful because of TOB. Was it only because of him? Nope, lets not be silly."

12/12/2007 1:34:09 AM

Exactly, what part of that dont you understand???

My god, I am saying some if most is because of him. But to say ALL of it is because of him is just silly. I still don't get what you are trying to say/argue.

12/12/2007 2:34:40 AM