I'm a little fucked up and I have a habit of getting sentimental during such situations, but I really wanted to express my feelings towards this tv. I bought it at Circuit City, and come to find out, they alter the settings in the showcase room so the tv doesn't even compare to other brands' televisions. Truth is, it's a wonderful tv at an amazing price, and if you can find a way to buy it for $420 like I did, you will be equally satisfied.

12/16/2007 10:23:52 PM

no you won't. my computer monitor is bigger than that POS.

12/16/2007 10:48:22 PM

why would you buy a 720p tv

i guess a screen that small it wont really matter

12/16/2007 10:50:14 PM

to a person with 20/20 vision, you can only notice the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 60 inch screen if you're sitting 4 feet or closer to the TV...otherwise they appear the exact same

12/16/2007 10:54:29 PM

dont you mean

naked dude pic?

12/16/2007 11:04:47 PM

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"why would you buy a 720p tv"

probably because they're a lot cheaper and the difference is negligible, as ^^ said

12/16/2007 11:11:03 PM

kinda like that 2nd line of my post implied i guess

12/16/2007 11:38:12 PM

well i mean i've got a 50" 720p dlp that i got because it was cost friendly, and i really can't tell a difference between it and a 1080p, so screen size isn't really a factor IMO

12/16/2007 11:42:29 PM

How come some people say only get 1080p and others say it isnt worth it?

12/17/2007 12:27:26 AM

The ones who say the former are ignorant

like dweedle

12/17/2007 12:31:50 AM

yea, fromwhat i understand, you dont need 1080 till you get up to 50"+. I just bought a 42" LG 720p and it looks great

12/17/2007 10:02:50 AM

I own the Olevia 232v 32" and love it as well. I'm looking for an LCD/Plasma for my Dad for Christmas and i'm having to pick b/w Olevia and Element. Circuit City has a 42" Element Plasma on sale this week for $750. I went to check it out in the store and it seems like a good deal for the $$, but it's out of stock everywhere.

I suspect Samsung actually manufactures the panel for that Element Plasma, since they use the same remote codes. I dunno.

12/17/2007 10:25:09 AM

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"why would you buy a 720p tv i guess a screen that small it wont really matter"

if you were playing games on a 360 it wouldn't matter since no games are natively 1080p, only upscaled from 720p.

12/17/2007 10:30:23 AM

Your TV sucks.

Being cheap is no excuse.

Sorry.

12/17/2007 11:54:15 AM

If it had an LG badge on the front, would that make it better?

12/17/2007 12:32:46 PM

we have the same one in our apartment, though i think the roommate paid $500 for it...for the money, i like it

12/17/2007 12:36:17 PM

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"if you were playing games on a 360 it wouldn't matter since no games are natively 1080p, only upscaled from 720p."

Where did you get that? VT3, NBA street, and Resistance are all 1080p native and they aren't alone. Some games with lots of effects like Perfect Dark and Halo 3 are 1152x640 or lower. The developer chooses the native resolution of the game based on performance vs. graphic detail.

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"to a person with 20/20 vision, you can only notice the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 60 inch screen if you're sitting 4 feet or closer to the TV...otherwise they appear the exact same"

It depends what's being displayed on the screen. If the signal is 720p or lower, then no you can't tell the difference. If you've got a computer or other high-resolution source with fine detail, the difference is night and day. 1080p is 2.25 times the resolution of 720p. It's like the difference between a monitor resolution of 1600x1200 and 1024x768.

12/17/2007 12:56:47 PM

^ concurred...

when I purchased my 37" 1080p monitor I was intending to primarily use it as a PC monitor... 720p would have SUCKED for that job for the same size...

HDTV stuff is broadcast 1080i... which is going to look better on a native 1080x screen b/c it won't have to get scaled (just doubled for p)

Games are made for both 1080i and 720p it depends on which game it is, for the 360 it'll say on the cover what it's designed for... but oh how I love upscaled 1920x1080 out of my 360 for anything I put in it

12/17/2007 1:19:35 PM

^ Any XBOX 360 game below 720p says 720p on the box though.

12/17/2007 1:56:02 PM

well you get below 720p and your bassically back to stanard depth

ona sidenot what exactly do thooses number represent since 1080p is like 1900x1120 or so

12/17/2007 2:50:53 PM

1080: 1920x1080

720: 1366x768

480: 640x480

it's sized by horizontal lines

p means progressively scanned so every line is drawn.
i means interlaced so every OTHER line is drawn for a given frame and is very noticable on large screens with low resolution... which is why old standard def big screens looked so crappy up close.

12/17/2007 2:54:43 PM

I have had 2 HDTVs now and HD for over 6 years. The display I saw with a 1080p Samsung at best Buy playing the movie Aeon Flux (or similar) was obviously far superior to 1080i/720p. It was a blueray disc, and the clarity difference was very observable. I have 20/15 vision corrected, but I cant imagine the difference being unnoticeable by others of lesser vision.

I'd wager money with anyone that I could easily see the difference from a 1080p sourced DVD on a 50" 1080p display as opposed to a 1080i sourced DVD. I am honestly surprised some dont think it was much different (first I have heard this)...



[Edited on December 17, 2007 at 3:24 PM. Reason : .]

12/17/2007 3:21:33 PM

Speaking of Olevia, Circuit City has a 47" for $1100. Good/bad?

12/17/2007 5:33:44 PM

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"1080: 1920x1080 720: 1366x768 480: 640x480"

1080i/p is 1920 x 1080

720 i/p is 1280 x 720

480 i/p is 720 x 480


640x480 is known as VGA.
1360x768 and 1366x768 are WXGA.

12/17/2007 5:43:49 PM

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"Where did you get that? VT3, NBA street, and Resistance are all 1080p native and they aren't alone. Some games with lots of effects like Perfect Dark and Halo 3 are 1152x640 or lower. The developer chooses the native resolution of the game based on performance vs. graphic detail. "

he said 360 games unless i missed something. no 360 games to my knowledge are 1080p. and resistance is a ps3 game.

FWIW, never compare tv's just by looking in the store. it can give you some idea, but to really make a serious judgment you need to check the settings and see what they will look like with the sources you'll be using the tv/ldc/monitor/whatever for

[Edited on December 17, 2007 at 6:12 PM. Reason : ]

12/17/2007 6:11:47 PM

I just searched the intarweb for 1080p xbox 360 games. I don't know why resistance came up but whatever.

Quote :

"EA announced today that the fourth installment in the over-the-top 'NBA Street' series NBA STREET Homecourt is now available for the Xbox 360. The game features an all-new Trick Remixer that lets you take control of your player’s rhythm by mixing tricks with moves with two trick buttons. NBA STREET Homecourt also features 1080p resolution and when played at 720p resolution, boasts 60fps. Another first for the series is the inclusion of six WNBA stars. If you're unsure whether or not Homecourt is for you, check out the downloadable Xbox 360 demo currently available on the Xbox Live Marketplace."

12/17/2007 6:23:30 PM

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"I'd wager money with anyone that I could easily see the difference from a 1080p sourced DVD on a 50" 1080p display as opposed to a 1080i sourced DVD. I am honestly surprised some dont think it was much different (first I have heard this)..."

That's so exceedingly doubtful at any sort of decent viewing distance.

Hell, it's fairly unlikely even up close.

12/17/2007 6:30:42 PM

>10 feet, it's unlikely. but if you're close and you're looking for it you should be able to tell the difference on a 50" screen.

12/17/2007 6:33:16 PM

Let me qualify my earlier statement by saying

"If you have a shity TV"

aka everything listed in this thread

then yeah, it probably is as clear as night and day.

12/17/2007 6:36:15 PM

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"720 i/p is 1280 x 720 480 i/p is 720 x 480 640x480 is known as VGA. 1360x768 and 1366x768 are WXGA."

A) I was referring to standard TV resolutions of what you will go out and buy... most "720p" tv's are WXGA as you put it...
B) 640x480 IS STDV old school non-widescreen version... aka vga... which is what I was talking about... I'd be interested to see if you could find something that does 480x720 exactly...

the wikipedia chart is a definition of ranges not what the actual monitors are running...

12/18/2007 7:47:28 AM

TVs with native resolutions that don't coincide with HD specs should be avoided, because every HD source will be scaled.

12/18/2007 11:13:57 AM

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"to a person with 20/20 vision, you can only notice the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 60 inch screen if you're sitting 4 feet or closer to the TV...otherwise they appear the exact same"

this is absolutely absurd.. i can't tell the difference with anything above 30 inches. very very easy to discern the two.

12/18/2007 11:23:35 AM

Everyone is gonna buy whatever the hell they want. If YOU can't tell the difference, or don't care, go for a lower resolution. I can tell the difference between 720p, 1080i, and 1080p, and the way I spend MY money will reflect that.

Don't take anyone else's word for it. It s about YOUR personal experience.

12/18/2007 11:49:08 AM

Its pretty hard to tell the difference between 720p and 1080i, a bit easier with 720p and 1080p

and almost impossible with most LCD tv's regardless of quality.

12/18/2007 11:51:35 AM

i guess the high quality contrast ratio makes it so easy in any case on my tv.

12/18/2007 11:58:14 AM

I have the 32" Olevia too and it's pretty great.

12/20/2007 2:22:00 AM

so at 6 feet, you will notice 720p+ on a 32"

[Edited on December 20, 2007 at 11:57 AM. Reason : s]

12/20/2007 11:55:28 AM

I love how everyone posts that chart as evidence, but I'm pretty sure it's just one guy's opinion.

12/20/2007 12:42:35 PM

could be calculated by average eyesight and the eye's ability to pick up colors/light... there's been plenty of research here so it's possible that it is a viable reference.

idk, looking at it, it makes sense to me... it's certainly a general rule that details are more noticeable on larger screens and short distances, and vice versa

12/23/2007 1:29:41 AM