Ever since freelancer I have been homering for a real space game with a dynamic economy and universe. I tried Eve along time ago when it first came out and was completely turned off by the learning curve and complete lack of tutorial.

Now I have seen it in play and realize that this was the game I have been looking for for a long time. I went threw X3, Warlords Homeworld 2 mod, and all that mess.

Is there any kind of T-dub guild or group that can show me the ropes. I have heard how corporations will lay claim to asteroid belts and such. And the fact that there are only 20k people makes me think that there would be a very limited "noob" player base for which I can interact with.

12/27/2007 10:31:14 AM

nah, there are only 20-40k on at one time, but there are plenty of newbs, (steady increase in subscriptions) I don't think there is a specific tww group anymore, but I can help you some if you want, im part of an alliance called the IAC. I'll float you a few million, (should make life much much easier). what's your characters name?

12/27/2007 10:56:44 AM

i love how eve has the best online scams ever committed too.

GHSC infiltration and sabotage
Eve Intergalactic Bank
ZZZZ Best

I almost want to play the game to get involved in a scam to read about it online

12/27/2007 10:57:16 AM

yeah, IAC had a few twwers in it. Pretty cool people too.

12/27/2007 11:00:51 AM

lol that is very true, shit we were even partly involved in something interesting like that...

this other alliance, about 2 years ago now, called ISS (interstellar starbase syndicate) had a "IPO" to generate capital to build more outposts (large player owned player created stations like the ones in empire space) in various places in 0.0 space and very low sec. (.2-.1) they would then seed these new stations with basic ships, modules, ammo etc. then charge docking fees (based on the size of the ship), repair fees, manufacturing fees, research fees, etc. depending on the type of station. (or renting offices out to corporations (lowest level player group)). they would then use this money to pay back dividends to the original investors... a good idea....

they also happened to mostly live right next to us in 0.0 space, as when any 2 groups live in close contact without excellent diplomacy conflict is likely to break out. just after they started building a few stations one of our alliance leaders on EVE-TV (live show thing during the big tournaments) declared that we might be annexing the space next to us, (ISS space). ISS didnt like this much, they have lots of money, and lots of players, but very little pvp ability. So what does one do when they can't fight themselves? they hired mercenarys, in particular, the Mercenary Coalition (MC). MC is very good at attacking, and that's exactly what they did, with over 150 capital ships (record for one system) they lay siege to our primary system, little did they know that we had just (a few days before their attack) setup a new station 2 jumps away (2 systems). this station saved us as they were able to effectively keep the Brewery (primary station) blockaded. We ralleyed our friends and eventually kicked ISS forces out. MC had left as they "had accomplished what they were paid to do" (which always seems to be to attack and devastate but never actually capture anything) leaving the anemic ISS and their few just as weak friends.

needless to say all ISS stations fell in short order. nearly 12 of them. so everyone who had invested, essentially lost everything, as we have no intentions of paying them anything.



on your character, you need to train up to battlecruisers for which ever race you are, medium weapons for your ships bonuses, microwarp drives, and then other support skills. then i'll take you out to 0.0 space where you can make lots of money very quickly on your own. (NPC "rats" are 800k-1.2million (Battleship rats))

get -
evemon - http://evemon.battleclinic.com/
Eve Fitting Tool (EFT) - http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=548883

follow the instructions about how to get your characters info in there, then start planning what you would like to do.

i reccomend getting all your learning skills up to level IV then learning the 2nd tier learning skills up to level IV then do the first learning skills up to level V. this will reduce your training time by a lot.


[Edited on December 27, 2007 at 11:18 AM. Reason : d]

12/27/2007 11:12:35 AM

The thing about eve is that the drama is awesome but the actual game is amazingly boring.

12/27/2007 11:15:50 AM

Join Goonfleet.

12/27/2007 11:15:59 AM

I sometimes think about playing again

12/27/2007 11:18:08 AM

I haven't bought it b/c I am away on vacation. As soon as I get back to my PC I plan on buying the 14 free trial then the 10 bucks or whatever for the full game. Arab13, those stories sound freakin sweet . I will have to sit down and look through the skill trees to figure out what you want me to do. The problem I was having when looking over the ship lists is the fact that I cant understand why anyone would use any frigates outside of low "level" play. It seems that people would just go straight for the bigger ships. But I am thinking that the specialized frigates and such are needed for the more complicated recon attacks and defense

also, what are any downsides or headaches int his game?

[Edited on December 27, 2007 at 11:32 AM. Reason : dsds]

12/27/2007 11:27:34 AM

lag in big fleet combat, the other downsides/headaches all depend on what you try to do. there is a lot of market warfare (pricing wars etc)

frigates (low end) make for some good cheap pvp ships depending on what type you have. but you're right most frigates you see are tech II ships, Assault Ships (Frigates), Electronic Warfare (just added, EW or EWar), Interceptors, and Covert Ops (cov ops and stealth bombers)

[Edited on December 27, 2007 at 12:03 PM. Reason : goonfleet is also good, a pretty good way to get really into the game quickly]

12/27/2007 12:03:20 PM

spreadsheets online

12/27/2007 12:44:28 PM

mining space rocks

12/27/2007 12:44:50 PM

warp 5 to the pizza sector


etc... etc...

12/27/2007 12:45:16 PM

If you got to pilot your ship using a joystick or controller, I'd do it.

But point and click in space? lawl.

12/27/2007 12:50:54 PM

The new graphics engine (Trinity) is suppose to incorporate and new speed system that will eliminate a lot of the lag seen in large fleet combat. I haven't played in over a month but I've been itching to get back in the pod and blow something up. When I left, my newbie guy could fly mark III interon haulers, interceptors, and destroyers, later to fly interdictors (since I plan on being a bubble whore )

All in all I'd have to say you should specialize first on what you want to pilot as it takes over a year to be mediocre with your ship. However, thats not to say you wont be effective in the early stages. Eve is built for cooperative gameplay and even the lesser frigates can sometime take down the big guys. I might just reactivate today come to think about it, since I've got loads of free time now.

link of BoB (Band of Brothers Alliance) getting pushed back by Goonswarm and Red Alliance a few months back with the old graphics. They are still in retreat as far as I know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWGt4CBZFOg

vid of some of the new purty graphics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdWYTSIJcg4

Quote :

"If you got to pilot your ship using a joystick or controller, I'd do it. But point and click in space? lawl."

Its not possible with the amount of players in the cluster at any given time. The numbers online are usually are over 20k, at the lowest. If you were to build a system that had free range joystick movement, something that would have to read all those real time movements, it would overload the server. But who knows, eve is good at innovation so they might develop a way later on. Trust me if there was a way for it to be done they would have already jumped on it.


[Edited on December 27, 2007 at 1:11 PM. Reason : response to ^]

12/27/2007 1:05:45 PM

Definitly going to give this another shot once I get a new computer

12/27/2007 1:12:46 PM

Yeah, you got to have a gpu with shader pixel 3 in it or else you're stuck to playing the old graphics engine. I'm in the same boat as you.

12/27/2007 1:15:57 PM

I didn't realize so many people played this game on here

I thought about playing at one time, thought it looked cool

12/27/2007 1:16:27 PM

Quote :

"But point and click in space? lawl."

so the WoW method of travel is better?

in eve at least you dont have to pay to travel from point a to point b, though you might get killed depending on the path

12/27/2007 1:52:07 PM

so much to learn

12/27/2007 2:03:17 PM

Quote :

"so the WoW method of travel is better?"

w a s d

Yes, it is.

12/27/2007 2:06:59 PM

In WoW you can only focus on one thing, the grind to level 70. And then what, fight for the same loot that everyone else has?

In EVE, there really is no end game. Which is awesome

12/27/2007 2:10:52 PM

~*mines 500000 space rocks*~
hmmm where is the next space rock
~*checks spreadsheets*~
yase a mere 40 jumps
~*auto-pilot for 30 minutes*~

w00t

12/27/2007 2:12:44 PM

Just join goonfleet to get access to Fleetwiki.

Then read that every other month.

All the fun, none of the boring.

12/27/2007 2:14:48 PM

I assume goonfleet is a corporation?

12/27/2007 2:31:46 PM

Goonfleet is the military of Goonswarm (an alliance of many corporations). They are very much into recruiting newbies as they use them as fodder in blobs (another name for a massive battle). They give you isk and help you with a skill set up plan but they are widely disliked by a lot of high sec corporations. They tend to be called pirates, hooligans, cheaters and the like. But if you want to get into combat fast they'll show you the ropes real quick. Just check out their website. I've thought about joining before myself.


[Edited on December 27, 2007 at 2:47 PM. Reason : s]

12/27/2007 2:46:41 PM

goonfleet is a corp made up of people from the SA forums. To join you need to be a member of SA for 3 months or get sponsored in.

12/27/2007 2:55:43 PM

you aren't hemmed in by your initial racial choice, you can do anything you want in eve, rather than have it spoon fed to you

12/27/2007 3:11:31 PM

So are there certain major corporations in EvE?

Are mine-able asteroids permanent or do new ones "spawn"?

How often is large scale conflict?

When you die, how far back does that set you?

Are there NPC threats that will actively attack you, and not just part of assignments?

12/27/2007 3:27:29 PM

From what I remember

1. Yes there are, just like WoW has major guilds, EvE has major corporations
2. Asteroids are in belts, they respawn
3. Not sure, was only involved in a couple and my pitiful computer couldn't really make it.
4. Depends, if you have insurance and a clone, you're set. If not, you're fucked.
5. There are NPC Pirates.

12/27/2007 3:30:43 PM

4 - you're ship gets blow up, it's gone, as well as a chunk of what ever was in it/on it, then you'll just be floating in space in your pod (you in goo), you can then try to escape (functions just like ship but no weapons, pitiful shields and armor), you can get insurance on your ship - gives you a % of the ship cost back to you (depending on quality of insurance), if your pod gets killed too you lose whatever implants you had in that body, and respawn in your clone, if it is up to date (each clone can "hold" up to x amount of skillpoints, up to date = holds more than you have) then you are perfectly fine, just need to get a new ship, fit it, and head on out again. if it's out of date you will randomnly lose a level V skill (bumps it down to IV, five levels to each skill 5th takes the longest and usually is required for other skills and ships and such).

3 - depends on what part of space you are in, major fleet ops (100+) occur a few times a week, with major battles (100 v 100) a few times a month probably. small ops occur every day

[Edited on December 27, 2007 at 3:53 PM. Reason : s]

12/27/2007 3:47:30 PM

Also, getting a new ship and fitting it can be a bitch as its unlikely one station has all the components you wanted. When I played, I always had like 2 or 3 spare ships fully outfitted and ready to go, expensive yes, but it worked out well

[Edited on December 27, 2007 at 3:50 PM. Reason : a]

12/27/2007 3:49:52 PM

^ very good idea, i have a rather large supply of things so i don't need to buy or build much very often

12/27/2007 3:53:50 PM

Quote :

"3 - depends on what part of space you are in, major fleet ops (100+) occur a few times a week, with major battles (100 v 100) a few times a month probably. small ops occur every day"

I am curious about the politics between corporations. Is the goal of the corporation to secure monetary income, or build military muscle? In other words, are there large mining fleets as well as military?

And what kind of gains can occur with conflict.

How much gain do you get out of aligning yourself with another corporation? Can you trust other corporations? Do alliances even occur?

12/27/2007 4:08:24 PM

There are corporations of every type. Some build ships with what they bought from a mining corporation which in turn bought protection from a military corporation which in turn bought the ships from the ship building one.

EVE is all about the players, the economy is the most complex and user controlled compared to every MMO out there.

One of the coolest stories, is one Corporation, over the course of a year, gained trust and worked their way up the chain. After about a year, they assassinated the corporations leader and stole billions upon billions of ISK (the currency).

[Edited on December 27, 2007 at 4:24 PM. Reason : a]

12/27/2007 4:16:46 PM

I have heard that story from my friend who played. Sounds really cool.

12/27/2007 4:52:01 PM

I really want to get back into Eve, but I won't have the money to buy a decent computer system until this summer.

12/27/2007 5:03:42 PM

How do they "steal" in the game?

12/27/2007 5:29:45 PM

There are a couple different ways. There are outright scams where you just dupe some idiot into giving you money or items. And there are more devious ways like spies. Goonfleet is pretty infamous for its huge network of spies. What happens is a goonfleet member joins an enemy corp and works their way up the chain of command. Some spies are there for intel others for sabotage and yet others for stealing shit. They gain access to corp hangers and then grab what they can and take off. At worst they get caught and the corp ends up destroying the stuff they stole and at best the spy gets the stolen stuff back to his corp.

Sabotage can mean emptying POSes (player owned stations) of stront (fuel to power POS shields) before they get attacked or giving attacking corps the shield passwords.

The goonfleet spymaster (The Mittani) doesn't even play the fucking game. He just commands his spy network to pwn other corps. The metagame is really the most interesting part of EVE.

The downside is that the rest of EVE is a snore fest.

12/27/2007 5:47:13 PM

Then there was that "controversy" about one of the leaders of BoB being an employee of the company that makes EVE.

12/27/2007 10:34:35 PM

this is making me feel like a dummy for reinstalling WoW

I want to play this

maybe I will in a few months

12/27/2007 11:07:04 PM

So I take it that we couldn't plant t-dub spies in several corporations to take them down???



[Edited on December 27, 2007 at 11:15 PM. Reason : p]

12/27/2007 11:10:23 PM

well we could, but it takes time, you usually don't get high in a big corp, without being a big player in it...

12/27/2007 11:48:07 PM

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""controversy" about one of the leaders of BoB being an employee of the company that makes EVE. "

If you watch one of the interviews they held about the trinity expansion at the germany game expo, you can hear a conversation about that. One of the developers (forget his name) says that there are just as many, if not more, devs in goonswarm than in bob secretly playing. So if they are pulling some strings and getting an advantage they are probably getting matched on the other side too.

12/28/2007 2:22:57 AM

except this employee got caught outright cheating, creating extremely rare/expensive items for mass production (blueprint originals). They encourage devs to play the game, but not to cheat.

12/28/2007 9:41:23 AM

Seriously dudes

This quite possibly the most boring game made entertaining by the fact that its openness allows for EPIC, on a scale never before seen in online gaming, player on player drama.

But otherwise amazingly dull.

Imagine doing 70 Molten Core runs except you get to run into other guild's instances and fuck them over.

12/28/2007 11:28:03 AM

WoW - hundreds of things to do in the beginning of the game, endgame is pretty much the same for everyone

EvE- not much to do in the beginning of the game, end game has hundreds of things to do.

12/28/2007 12:31:07 PM

sandsanta, every mmo is boring to you then, they are both community driven games (eve more so), that you get out more than you put in, but you do have to put in some....

they are at least trying to add more to the solo experience in EVE, even though that's the opposite of what a MMO is at it's core.

WoW - from one npc fight, run away fight run away, fight, run away, collect dropped stuff, or find a mining node, mine, find another mining node, mine. that's some real excitement right there...

12/28/2007 2:11:18 PM

I haven't played in a while, but haven't they made the beginning game a hell of a lot more user friendly?

12/28/2007 2:16:34 PM

I'm not defending wow to point out how boring EvE is.

12/28/2007 2:18:29 PM