and therefore drop out of the race

1/8/2008 8:39:48 PM

Mitt

I dunno

I don't know I would support a electing a guy with the same name of something that most Americans oil up and catch balls with

1/8/2008 8:50:43 PM

ehh Mitt could win Michigan

Got to hope for the unresolved convention anyways

1/8/2008 8:54:45 PM

I like Mitt. If Mitt doesn't make it, then I guess I'll be voting democratic this time around. McCain looks like he's about to fall over and die anytime now. Huckabee is too bible thumping for me (even though I'm technically a Christian... that's another story). And I don't think Thompson is going to be able to provide the change that everyone is looking for in the White House.

1/9/2008 10:37:02 AM

Romney has the most delegates right now.

If Romney wins I'm voting 3rd party. Period.

Thompson isn't, and never was, a real presidential candidate.

1/9/2008 10:38:16 AM

The Daily Show had a scene where Romney got straight called out on an ad he ran that was completely false. He said he had never seen it. They then played the part where it said he approved that message.

Point? Basically he's the biggest toolbag ever.

1/9/2008 10:40:17 AM

link?

1/9/2008 10:50:11 AM

Im liking Romney more and more.

The fact that McCain can push that amnesty bill and still win NH makes me wonder about NH republicans. He should simply not be able to recover from such a mistep.

Romney ran a business and his views on immigration are points I like about the man.

I agree Thompson has been such a disappointment.

Id vote huckabee if he could get the fairtax to pass. But I would rather romney or rudy support the fairtax.

1/9/2008 10:54:27 AM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9jyMW3Lzq_w

^^^ Here is that video you're talking about. Typical politician change of stance when you get yourself stuck between a rock and a hard spot. All the other candidates would have executed a similar form of denial. Just the nature of a politician (unless your the almighty Ron Paul who's never wrong). But, in my opinion, compared to the other republican candidates, he's the lesser evil. Others will disagree.

[Edited on January 9, 2008 at 10:56 AM. Reason : edit]

1/9/2008 10:54:45 AM

^ That's definitely it. I think it was that smug little smirk he had on his face when he gets called out that reminds me of someone... can't think of who though.

1/9/2008 11:17:30 AM

^ haha

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"The fact that McCain can push that amnesty bill and still win NH makes me wonder about NH republicans. He should simply not be able to recover from such a mistep. "

Dude

not everyone has your hard-on for immigration. This issue is split among voters in both parties. Yes, we all agree that we need to make some changes, but not everyone has such an irrational fear of Mexican (and other) immigrants.

Even my 82 year old grandfather--who, let me tell you, is NOT a paragon of racial tolerance--said to me one day when I was home for Christmas as this subject came up on the news, "You know, if someone wants to come here and work hard, I have a hard time wanting to kick him out."

1/9/2008 1:48:13 PM

^agreed

1/9/2008 1:52:11 PM

^I dont have a hardone against mexicans. Im sorry but I dont think someone should be rewarded for breaking the law. There should be no special path to citizenship. To have a policy that states one group is special and the rules dont apply to them is bad, and will only create resentment among others. We have rules/policies and they should be followed. Get in line.

Now if we could keep the working illegals and deport the entitlement class.. Im all for it.

1/9/2008 1:55:48 PM

^^good post

1/9/2008 1:56:19 PM

Quote :

" Now if we could keep the working illegals and deport the entitlement class.. Im all for it. "

The easiest way to do this is to say, 'you have 6 to 12 months to file an application for legal residency if you are here illegally (includes visa overstays as well). You must have a job and be able to provide for your dependents if they are wanting to stay as well. If you do not file within this grace period you will be deported if you are ever noticed by the law.'

A solution like this would likely get most of the people that we actually want to be here, the hard workers, the people that are trying to contribute to society. Yes, I'm in favor of them having to pay some sort of fine over several years as well.

At the same time you're doing this you have to beef up border security and fix the fucking Visa application system. And don't build a goddamn wall, that's a waste of money if anything is.

1/9/2008 2:04:30 PM

^monky, I guess where I feel strongly on this issue is bc I had a friend who is a graduate from state. He didnt fill out his paperwork to get an extention on his visa. He had a job, college grad, etc... and he was deported. To deport him and let in the rest simply bc of thier numbers and location is ridiculous. It took him 2 years to get back into the US and is still working on his citizenship. He gets PISSED at the thought of amnesty and I can see his point.

Oh, and i was making a joke about deporting the american entitlement class.

1/9/2008 3:06:38 PM

I'm also dealing with getting someone in the US on a Visa and I hate the process. It seems like the biggest problems with the Visa system now is that DHS has slowed everything down since 9/11 and quadrupled the fees (no joke) with almost no tangible claims (other than the slowdown).

I think something has to be done, and I'm not for rewarding people that have broken the law. However, on the whole I think we'd profit immensely from giving these people a legal way to get into the country and enter our system (as well as try to pay back into the system through taxes, fines, etc).

1/9/2008 3:13:52 PM

1/9/2008 3:21:13 PM

huh

1/9/2008 3:23:50 PM

^^ Yes, legal immigrants do feel jipped. Like I mentioned in other threads... it took my aunt several years and thousands of dollars to get just a work Visa. Partially to really come and work, but partially to see my aging grandmother before she passes away (who lives in the US on a green card).

1/9/2008 3:38:33 PM

Romney will lose Michigan because of the open primary. He'll probably win a plurality of the Republican votes. I wonder if he shouldn't stick around for a while. The conservatives may decide he is their only option. They don't like McCain and Huckabee is a certain disaster. Giuliani seems to be fizzling also.

1/10/2008 1:06:02 AM

its funny cause based on the shape of the (lower part of the) state, one of michigan's nicknames is the Oven Mitt

1/10/2008 1:07:46 AM

lol i bet mitt has heard that one 700 times

1/10/2008 1:09:48 AM

i overheard some lady the other day call him "Mitch Rodney"

1/10/2008 1:14:43 AM

lol god i hope its obama versus mccain

1/10/2008 1:19:26 AM

I guess this thread failed.

1/16/2008 11:34:53 AM

unfortunately

1/16/2008 11:44:37 AM

Quote :

"If Romney wins I'm voting 3rd party. Period."

1/16/2008 11:48:44 AM

Quote :

"The fact that McCain can push that amnesty bill and still win NH makes me wonder about NH republicans. He should simply not be able to recover from such a mistep."

I didn't realize that xenophobia and racism were the defining planks in the republican platform.

1/16/2008 11:49:08 AM

^ I thought everyone knew that....

1/16/2008 11:57:55 AM

Duh...Ever since the days of Lincoln.

1/16/2008 12:11:01 PM

^^^ Because the immigration debate is exclusively about racism and xenophobia.

[Edited on January 16, 2008 at 12:12 PM. Reason : .]

1/16/2008 12:11:44 PM

This cartoon printed in 1889, stereotypes the Irish as unmixable in America's melting pot.

1/16/2008 12:19:01 PM

I love the two completely contrary arguments against immigration (that's code for, "reasons we hate mexicans").

1. They're shiftless, lazy, dirty, drunken criminals who don't speak our language.
2. They're taking our jobs.

If your job is in danger of being taken by someone who can't speak english and came here stinking of stale sweat and tequila. If that guy was more qualified than you perhaps you should consider suicide.

1/16/2008 12:42:08 PM

so romney beat mccain?

i cant say i'm surprised but i'm definitely disappointed

after the edit
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i think he only won cause all the people like rush and hannity and glen beck that want this fag to win

[Edited on January 16, 2008 at 12:50 PM. Reason : .]

1/16/2008 12:49:14 PM

^^ That's exactly how I've felt about it. If someone who can't speak english and who has no vocational training is more qualified then you, it's your own fault. You shouldn't have dropped out of community college.

1/16/2008 12:52:45 PM

THEY TUK R TAXES

1/16/2008 12:54:48 PM

did you all know that romney is a mormon!!!

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

1/16/2008 3:38:58 PM

^^^While I don't necessarily disagree, a growing labor force does have the effect of depressing wages. There is no such thing a jobs Americans don't want (it defies market economics). They are jobs Americans don't want at that wage.

[Edited on January 16, 2008 at 4:25 PM. Reason : .]

1/16/2008 4:24:41 PM

I'm thinking this Huckabee guy will probably win the grand ol' party's ticket.

1/16/2008 4:25:30 PM

From today's hotline...

Quote :

"Romney's "gold medal" seals it: The GOP race is now the political equivalent of the Special Olympics, where everybody's a winner! "

1/16/2008 4:28:42 PM

Quote :

"While I don't necessarily disagree, a growing labor force does have the effect of depressing wages. There is no such thing a jobs Americans don't want (it defies market economics). They are jobs Americans don't want at that wage."

While your analysis is correct, I feel it is also somewhat incomplete. The flip side of this is, assuming the job cannot be filled at that wage, there are multiple outcomes: 1) The wage goes up, 2) As the marginal cost of the job goes up, the employer considers alternatives, like automation, or 3) The job just goes unfilled.

While it's a facile conclusion to say, "They're doing jobs Americans won't do!", it is also probably true that these are jobs that will likely not be done by Americans in almost any scenario.

1/16/2008 4:28:58 PM

As long as there are people in this country who would rather take welfare or unemployment than take a minimum wage job we should welcome immigrants. I know it's a cliched stereotype, but the guy taking a welfare check because he believes that flipping burgers is beneath him, or the guy who only tries to get a job so he can get fired and collect unemployment (believe me, there are plenty of these people, I've had at least 3 in the last year) are much less worthy of being in this country than the mexican guy who painted your house and who you inexplicably hate.

Not everyone grows up to be an astronaut, and the hard truth is, just like my dad always told me, "the world needs ditch diggers too." The only question is who will be doing it.

1/17/2008 12:20:07 AM

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Who is this?

1/17/2008 12:53:46 AM

Some average looking girl.

1/17/2008 12:58:56 AM

ap says romney is gonna win nevada

1/19/2008 1:13:21 PM

you lose all right to be a prognosticator when it comes to elections.

1/19/2008 4:08:00 PM

i would be lying if i said i only hate this guy because of his policies and not because he is a mormon

but i'd be lying if i said i only hate him cause he is a mormon

1/19/2008 10:08:18 PM

Kurtis, you dumb, mother fucker. You do realize that all of these illegal immigrants take more money than the average welfare momma, right?

1/19/2008 10:16:32 PM

They take more money than the average native but not more than the average welfare momma. If you control for poverty, they take less welfare money on average for their level of income. Our native working-poor actually consume more resources than illegal immigrant working-poor.

Amusingly, forcing companies to fire illegal immigrants who worked under false or invalid SSN's is what's made them much more expensive since they can no longer easily work jobs that pay social security taxes. Jobs that pay under the table have never paid taxes though obviously- but many of those communities actually claim less federal assistance. Migrant workers, for example, aren't often able to avail themselves of welfare.

I know this is being nit-picky though as illegal immigrants do often escape taxation and many are still able to receive some portion of aid. While it would clearly be inhuman to deny basic assistance to children simply because their parents brought them here illegally, there is some fair-sense behind denying access to aid programs to illegal immigrants. The thing is, they just don't cost nearly as much as people try to make it sound. Since many of them do not claim assistance or are partially denied assistance already, replacing them would mean a larger native working poor population- a group with full access and near-full awareness of programs. Supporting a larger native working-poor in place of these illegal immigrants wouldn't necessarily mean a large cost savings.

[Edited on January 19, 2008 at 11:49 PM. Reason : ]

1/19/2008 11:39:57 PM