http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/01/23/israel.gaza/index.html

but we really wonder why the terrorists hate us

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"Israel's border closings have left Hamas-controlled Gaza cut off from food, fuel and other necessities. Aid agencies warned of the impending humanitarian crisis"

Why is Bush not speaking out against this. We always act like we have the moral high ground as we play world police yet we'll support a gov't that cuts off 50,000 people from basic necessities b.c of the actions of a few militants. Yet we will be more than happy to draw sanctions against Iran b.c of vague evidence that it wants a nuclear energy program to build nukes.

If Washington DC decided to blockade North Carolina I would probably be up in arms also.

[Edited on January 23, 2008 at 10:17 AM. Reason : a]

1/23/2008 10:14:52 AM

how would you feel if the people in Durham were constantly sending rockets our way?

wouldn't you want to do something about it?

...

and the response will be OMG, LET THEM HAVE THEIR LAND

fuck that and fuck them... honestly, the only reason that Isreal hasn't killed every single one of them is because we live in "civilized" times

1/23/2008 10:21:08 AM

you know its bad when even bush is like "cant you think of something else" to the jews

1/23/2008 10:22:54 AM

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"how would you feel if the people in Durham were constantly sending rockets our way"

That is like the UK saying oh a few IRA blew up a subway car so lets cut off all of N. Ireland from food, gas, and supplies .

1/23/2008 10:35:50 AM

You are obviously a part of the blame America Israel first crowd!

1/23/2008 10:57:35 AM

This has been going on for 60 years now.

A little late to the party, Hur?

1/23/2008 11:02:37 AM

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"yet we'll support a gov't that cuts off 50,000 people from basic necessities b.c of the actions of a few militants."

yeah except that it isn't just a few militants, it was their elected government Hamas that was firing rockets or at least allowing it to happen.

Not saying Israel is doing the right thing, but seriously this is a very misleading statement.

1/23/2008 11:52:57 AM

the Israli state should have never been set up. No one has a right to take land that other people are living on.

Seriously, we need to withdraw support until Israel gets back out of Gaza and back on it's side of the line.

1/23/2008 12:12:08 PM

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"No one has a right to take land that other people are living on."

GO BACK TO EUROPE, HONKY

1/23/2008 12:24:20 PM

Displacing native americans wasn't even an issue until politicians like Andrew Jackson launched aggressive campaigns to royally fuck them over. Otherwise they all would have peacefully integrated into our society as many of them did. And yes, the screwing them over part was bad.

Not quite the same as cornering them into Gaza strip and cutting off food imports

1/23/2008 12:47:15 PM

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""The focus should be on restoring the situation," said Perino, who blamed Hamas for the "genesis of this problem," specifically, "sending over to Israel upwards of 150 rockets a day that are landing in its territory. So Israel's defending itself.""

Rolling in the tanks, sending in troops, or dropping bombs is defending oneself from an enemy. Starving out 50,000 people is genocide. Only the evil bad guys commit genocide so this must be "strategic resource constriction"

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/01/23/israel.gaza/index.html

1/23/2008 2:48:04 PM

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"Rolling in the tanks, sending in troops, or dropping bombs is defending oneself from an enemy."

They've been doing that for years (actually decades) without positive results. They are trying a different approach now, which will hopefully force the Palestinians to govern and police themselves.

1/23/2008 2:57:11 PM

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"If Washington DC decided to blockade North Carolina I would probably be up in arms also."

The other option would be to meet whatever terms DC had for lifting the blockade.

You IGNORE the fact that the land is "hamas controlled". There are two ways to go about ending it. Either Hamas terrorizes them so much that israel relents OR hamas can just meet israels terms. Its that simple. Hamas makes the choice to put their own people in a humanitarian crisis. They could just stop lobbing mortars into israel. That might help their cause a little bit.

1/23/2008 3:47:11 PM

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"how would you feel if the people in Durham were constantly sending rockets our way? wouldn't you want to do something about it?"

Well that depends on why the people in Durham are sending rockets our way. I guess if they had a shit ton of Raleigh tanks on their land and air assaults by Raleigh's air force they'd be pretty pissed.

It also depends on what race lives in Durham...

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"Either Hamas terrorizes them so much that israel relents OR hamas can just meet israels terms. "

spoken like a true bush supporter. Do what we want or die!

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"They've been doing that for years (actually decades) without positive results. They are trying a different approach now, which will hopefully force the Palestinians to govern and police themselves."

i think the strategy is starve them and let them kill each other for food....problem solved.

oh wait, isn't that the strategy for every dictator that commits mass genocide

[Edited on January 23, 2008 at 3:55 PM. Reason : asdf]

1/23/2008 3:51:29 PM

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"Do what we want or die!"

Wouldnt you say thats Hamas's motto too??

1/23/2008 3:55:17 PM

at this point, I would hope so.

1/23/2008 3:56:01 PM

if Hamas controls it, why are they depending on Israel for supplies? when the Soviets blockaded Berlin, we brought it our own supplies with air-drops. I know this is different, but isnt it a little strange?

1/23/2008 4:02:45 PM

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"at this point, I would hope so."

right..so then you just picked your side...dont play "holier than thou"

1/23/2008 4:04:13 PM

regardless of which particular side is right in this case, bottom line is we should not be funding the Israeli war machine.

1/23/2008 4:10:12 PM

Israel is hardly a 'war-machine'

how often have they been attacked in the past 50 years or so? they have a history of being invaded, bombed, terrorized, etc...every one of their neighbors hate them and would not hesitate to 'wipe them off the map.' they dont mess around with threats because they have learned the hard way to take them seriously.

surely you can see that side of it.

1/23/2008 4:38:57 PM

Islamic Militants blow up buses full of Jews whenever given the chance, yet Isreal still tries to limit collateral damage as much as possible and doesn't target innocent civilians. That's all I need to know to choose a side.

1/23/2008 4:49:52 PM

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"right..so then you just picked your side...dont play "holier than thou""

oh i'm not picking sides. Both sides are terrorists. I'm picking the side against you that points the finger at the little guy and says "be like us or die!" Israel is as much a terrorist nation as Hamas is a terrorist group.

You have some serious issues if you think being US backed and having tanks/planes is a means not to be called terrorist.

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"Islamic Militants blow up buses full of Jews whenever given the chance, yet Isreal still tries to limit collateral damage as much as possible and doesn't target innocent civilians. That's all I need to know to choose a side."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...i think someone was sleeping during the last invasion of Lebanon.

[Edited on January 23, 2008 at 4:50 PM. Reason : .]

1/23/2008 4:50:12 PM

^^^well, if i lived in a neighborhood where I was constantly assaulted or robbed, i'd probably move.

but, that aside...for every wrong that has be perpetrated against Israel, there is an example of the Palestinians being wronged. it's hard to justifiably take a side, so why even get involved? especially now, when it indirectly causes many the international problems we are dealing with.

in case you haven't noticed that particular region of the world has always been a hotbed for conflict, it is currently, and it always will be....imo we need to just stay out of it.

[Edited on January 23, 2008 at 4:52 PM. Reason : .]

1/23/2008 4:50:37 PM

What needs to be done is take both sides down to a 'child' level. Israel is a bully with big guns. Clearly they can't handle the responsibility so they need some serious sanctions against them to keep them from acquiring such toys. Then let the World Police, aka USA #1, police both sides.

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"^^^well, if i lived in a neighborhood where I was constantly assaulted or robbed, i'd probably move."

that depends on how long you've lived in that neighborhood. You don't just tell a nation to 'move' because you want their land.

[Edited on January 23, 2008 at 4:54 PM. Reason : .]

1/23/2008 4:52:42 PM

^but just how did it become to be their land?

i'm simply saying that whatever group chooses to live there better be prepared to live with conflict, b/c it will always be there. if they want to tough it out, fine, but we, as a separate entity shouldn't be supporting one group over the other.

1/23/2008 5:02:24 PM

i'm glad i was born in the united states

1/23/2008 5:05:16 PM

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"^but just how did it become to be their land?"

Which terrorists are you talking about? Israel or Palestinians?

1/23/2008 5:08:07 PM

they all just need to hug it out bitches

1/23/2008 5:15:44 PM

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"the Israli state should have never been set up."

i'd like to add that if the holocaust happened in europe, they should have been given land in europe

1/23/2008 6:12:39 PM

it's not like the jew's bid for israel started with the holocaust. they had been campaigning for a jewish israeli state for decades before that.

1/23/2008 6:15:06 PM

ohhhhhhh...didnt know that...either way they pretty much just moved in on other peoples land

1/23/2008 6:18:13 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7205668.stm

Egypt won't force back the Gazans.

I wonder if Israel will force all Gazans into Egypt and reclaim it.

1/23/2008 7:43:33 PM

^Egypt consented to the plan to cut off fuel temporarily. Funny how an Arab nation thinks this was a good idea, but HUR thinks it's inhumane.

^^Read a history book. It's not as simple as "they stole the land from the Palestinians after WWII". Jews have been living in Israel for thousands of years. Hell, a good portion of Jews in Israel came from neighboring Arab states as refugees. From Wikipedia:

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"In the early years of the state, the Labor Zionist movement led by Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion dominated Israeli politics.[56][57] These years were marked by mass immigration of Holocaust survivors and the exodus of Jews from Arab lands spurred by Arab League-sanctioned violence and confiscation of Jewish property. Some 850,000 Jews fled their homes in Arab countries from 1948 to the early 1970s, 600,000 of them resettling in Israel. [58] The population of Israel rose from 800,000 to two million between 1948 and 1958."

Funny how you don't hear Israelis bitching that "the Arabs stole our land!!!1"

Fucking whiny Palestinians.


[Edited on January 23, 2008 at 7:54 PM. Reason : 2]

1/23/2008 7:50:38 PM

^ you know why this happened:

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"the exodus of Jews from Arab lands spurred by Arab League-sanctioned violence and confiscation of Jewish property. Some 850,000 Jews fled their homes in Arab countries from 1948 to the early 1970s"

because a bunch of jews stole arab-controlled land and created israel.

[no, i am not supporting the violence against and the eviction of jews in arab countries, but it was basically tit-for-tat]

those jews evicted from arab countries were living there for millenia, weren't they? why would those countries suddenly oppress them and take over their houses? because a bunch of holocaust survivors thought it was ok to evict 100s of 1,000s of arabs from arab land, change the names of the towns and villages from arabic to hebrew, and create a country on that stolen land.

and yes, i know this tit-for-tat eviction process goes millenia back.

1/23/2008 7:59:45 PM

^agreed

PS the blockade really only lasted a day or so. Truckloads of diesel fuel and foreign aid have been coming in on a limited basis since yesterday.

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"We always act like we have the moral high ground as we play world police yet we'll support a gov't that cuts off 50,000 people from basic necessities b.c of the actions of a few militants. Yet we will be more than happy to draw sanctions against Iran b.c of vague evidence that it wants a nuclear energy program to build nukes. If Washington DC decided to blockade North Carolina I would probably be up in arms also."

A "few militants" fire upwards of 150 rockets into Isreal EVERY DAY? This is coming from a territory that Israel left voluntarily. Do you think they will leave the West Bank anytime soon given how the Gazans have reacted to Israel's unilateral consessions?

There is no negotiating with the Palestinians because Palestinians cannot govern themselves or keep their word.

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"Starving out 50,000 people is genocide."

quit with your hyperbole and terrible analogies. They only hurt your argument.


[Edited on January 23, 2008 at 8:39 PM. Reason : 2]

1/23/2008 8:33:05 PM

an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

1/23/2008 10:15:08 PM

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"and yes, i know this tit-for-tat eviction process goes millenia back."

exactly...like i said earlier...you pick your side....

1/23/2008 10:30:53 PM

Why the fuck should any American have to pick a side in a conflict that should have nothing to do with America?

1/24/2008 12:11:32 AM

seriously...theres not even any fucking oil in israel....i wish israel would just go away...tell all the jews to live in europe again...not like the holocaust is gonna happen again....the jews are ruining world peace cause they want some plot of land that jesus is from or some shit

1/24/2008 12:14:38 AM

ps -Sputter is a fag

1/24/2008 12:21:00 AM

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"tell all the jews to live in europe again"

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter

1/24/2008 12:22:14 AM

ha ha -- you know that jews don't believe in Jesus, right?

1/24/2008 12:31:57 AM

I think Christians need to take over Israel.

It is the holy junk for 3 religions, and Christians have the political power in this world. Why the fuck are jews running that place?

1/24/2008 12:37:34 AM

even more reason they shouldnt be there...i mean really...is it that important to them? its just some friggin land...its shitty land too...all arid and desert-ish...i dont get why the jews like it so much

1/24/2008 12:38:29 AM

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"seriously...theres not even any fucking oil in israel....i wish israel would just go away...tell all the jews to live in europe again...not like the holocaust is gonna happen again....the jews are ruining world peace cause they want some plot of land that jesus is from or some shit"

dnl did not think this through but then again it is dnl.

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"I think Christians need to take over Israel. It is the holy junk for 3 religions, and Christians have the political power in this world. Why the fuck are jews running that place? "

because you obviously don't know how power works.

Christians may be figure heads but the men behind those figure heads are mostly Jewish. The men behind those Jewish are even richer jews. Money is power and money is what controls the world. Guess who's good at making money?

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 12:55 AM. Reason : no joke.]

1/24/2008 12:54:03 AM

yall are missing the point


the jews really arent serving any purpose by being on that land

1/24/2008 12:55:27 AM

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"I think Christians need to take over Israel. It is the holy junk for 3 religions, and Christians have the political power in this world. Why the fuck are jews running that place?"

Give that shit to the Buddhists. It's a neutral 4th party, and they don't like fighting anyway.

(Note: Not being serious)

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 1:06 AM. Reason : .]

1/24/2008 12:55:31 AM

^that has fail all over it. They would set themselves on fire in protest and then the Jews and Muslims will be back fighting over it.

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 12:56 AM. Reason : .]

1/24/2008 12:56:18 AM

I don't see why people hold it against Israel for killing people that are fundamentally opposed to their very existence.

1/24/2008 1:06:42 AM

i dont get why israel gets a free pass to be a douche all the time

1/24/2008 1:08:34 AM