just heard this on the radio. sounded something like

mavs get

kidd
maglore
garbage


blazers get
harris


nets get

george
outlaw
frye
jack
stackhouse

this is a bad trade for the mavs imo. they lose young talent get old talent. in a few years jack could be good and the mavs will be kicking themselves.

the nets now have decent depth inside which they lacked and a bright future with jack. plus they have stackhouse.

1/30/2008 7:35:00 PM

this isnt very exciting

he already played for the mavericks

eh

1/30/2008 7:37:29 PM

1/30/2008 7:39:32 PM

I swear to god I thought his eyebrows just moved

1/30/2008 7:43:04 PM

i just hope he doesn't go to Cleveland...that'd be pretty sick

1/30/2008 8:15:36 PM

Quote :

"this is a bad trade for the mavs imo. they lose young talent get old talent. in a few years jack could be good and the mavs will be kicking themselves"

the mavs will be kicking themselves because the blazers gave up jack in the trade?

[Edited on January 30, 2008 at 8:31 PM. Reason : .]

1/30/2008 8:30:59 PM

^HA

1/30/2008 9:21:02 PM

Devin harris is very good........i dunno why they would make this trade

1/30/2008 9:24:25 PM

the only real downside I see for the Mavs is that basically they have to win it this year or damn soon cause J-Kidd ain't gonna be J-Kidd for much longer. yeah, you lose harris, but its not like he's an all-star or anything.

think of Dirk, Josh Howard, Jason Terry and Kidd running together. pretty sick. Kidd could probably even make Diop look good.

1/30/2008 9:29:34 PM

Quote :

"Kidd could probably even make Diop look good"

now that would be a feat

1/30/2008 9:35:47 PM

ummm this is a great trade for the Mavs and I like it for the Trailblazers too. But the Nets get shit for one of the best point guards ever. Yes, he's 34 and making 20 mil a year. But he is still one of the best point guards in the league, good leader, best rebounding guard in the league, a good defender and could make the Mavs even more of a championship contender. The nets get Channing Frye and assorted garbage

1/31/2008 2:26:06 AM

i've never liked jerry stackhouse

1/31/2008 2:29:49 AM

The nets are going nowhere, it doesn't matter. they are past their championship window and just getting older, might as well move him while he has some value even if what they get back is young shit, young shit is better than old complaining guy.

1/31/2008 2:29:53 AM

You're right. They arent getting pieces that are going to be good in the future. Stackhouse is old. George is old and not good. Frye isn't good, young but has very little upside, Jack has no upside though he is a solid backup. Outlaw actually has the potential to be better. I just don't think this is the package they should get excited about.

1/31/2008 3:58:21 AM

This is not official by any means. There's no way in hell that the Blazers would go through with that trade.

1/31/2008 6:30:32 AM

the blazers wouldn't and shouldn't go for that trade because they are having sucha surprisingly good year. They have the best future in the league. They wouldn't want to make a move to screw it up.

1/31/2008 6:43:44 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3223513

The growing feeling among league executives that the Dallas Mavericks are the most likely winners in the Jason Kidd trade sweepstakes is even stronger now.

Reason being: Within 24 hours of Kidd saying that it's time for him and the New Jersey Nets "all to move on" in separate directions, New Jersey and Dallas engaged in advanced trade discussions with Portland on a three-way deal that would land Kidd back with the team that drafted him in 1994.




Kidd

Such a trade would involve at least a dozen players, cash sweeteners and future draft picks. In a breakdown of the most noteworthy principles, Portland would land Mavericks guard Devin Harris and possibly Mavs forward Brandon Bass, New Jersey would receive draft and financial considerations, Dallas' Jerry Stackhouse and a trio of young prospects from Portland (Travis Outlaw, Channing Frye and Jarrett Jack) while the Mavericks would score Kidd.

The talks were very active Tuesday, as reported Tuesday night on ESPN2's "NBA Coast to Coast" by ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard. But dialogue between the three clubs had cooled Wednesday to the point that sources close to the situation described them as "pretty much dead."

But another source insisted that the deal still has life and noted that the "pretty much" disclaimer leaves open the possibility that the dialogue can be reheated to Tuesday's levels, especially since the league's Feb. 21 trading deadline is still three weeks away. And what most observers considered to be one of the biggest obstacles for New Jersey and Dallas to either moving or acquiring Kidd -- finding the third team they needed to broaden the deal -- might be less of an impediment than anticipated if Portland could be recruited so quickly.

Some reluctance from the Blazers, sources said, is one of the factors that has stalled the talks. In addition to the short-term concerns about the ankle injury that has sidelined Harris, Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard told The Oregonian newspaper last week that "we're not making any trades" to break up a roster of youngsters that rebounded from Greg Oden's season-ending injury to rank as the biggest surprise team so far in a league filled with surprise teams. Sources say Portland has been shopping Jack on his own, but parting with three or four players is something else, with guard Sergio Rodriguez also potentially involved. Outlaw's development, furthermore, is one of the stories of the Blazers' season.

The Mavericks, meanwhile, might also have some hesitation, even knowing that Kidd has made it clear behind the scenes that a return to Dallas and the opportunity to play alongside Dirk Nowitzki is his preferred outcome, ahead of a move to Cleveland to play with Team USA teammate and close friend LeBron James.

Sources say Dallas is resigned to the fact that it won't be able to reacquire Kidd -- 1994-95's co-Rookie of the Year with Grant Hill as a Mav but who left town in acrimonious circumstances less than two seasons later -- without parting with Harris, who's a fan and Mark Cuban favorite as well as a 24-year-old point guard having by far his best season.

The initial scenarios discussed by the teams, however, also would require Dallas to part with either Bass or center DeSagana Diop. Both are critical role players in the Mavericks' system. Bass ranks as the most effective backup Nowitzki has ever had and Diop operates as one half of the center tandem with Erick Dampier that has been successful against San Antonio and Tim Duncan.

The Mavs, if the deal goes through, would be undertaking the aggressive renovation that many critics have been calling for since they followed up a 67-win regular season with a first-round exit to Golden State last season. Although there would obviously be some risk giving Harris' job to a quarterback who will be 35 in March, Dallas is undoubtedly seduced by the idea of enhancing the scoring abilities of Nowitzki and Josh Howard. Kidd's arrival would likewise address Dallas' team IQ and mental toughness issues after back-to-back epic collapses in the playoffs, first to Miami in the 2006 NBA Finals and then to Golden State.

Yet another potential snag here is that the Nets naturally hope to come out of a Kidd deal with at least one young star. The closest thing to a young star in the scenarios discussed so far -- Harris -- would be going to Portland.

But Outlaw is on the rise, too. Outlaw and Frye, furthermore, are athletic prospects who come with salary cap-friendly contracts in addition to the two future first-round draft picks New Jersey would also likely receive. It's believed that the Nets would immediately buy out Stackhouse and release him if the proposed deal wound up going through.

Yet it seems safe to expect that a Kidd deal involving these three teams will likely happen quickly or fade to all the way dead sooner rather than later. New Jersey has been dealing with speculation about Kidd's future dating to last February's trade deadline, when Kidd was nearly dealt to the Los Angeles Lakers. "But Dallas and Portland," said one source, "won't want this [trade speculation] to linger because then it starts affecting their teams."

1/31/2008 9:12:19 AM

I just don't really understand why Portland would make this tried. I guess they are trying to improve their point guard play...but I don't see Devin Harris as that big of an improvement. Especially when they have to go through the Mavs to get to the Finals...and this deal would make the Mavs that much better.

And Outlaw is killing it this year.

I think this would be a dumb move by Portland.

1/31/2008 9:30:59 AM

^ agreed. Why fuck up that chemistry when next year you add Oden and have a potentially championship caliber team. Devin Harris is solid, but not worth three guys who get regular PT already.

1/31/2008 11:53:44 AM

I don't think they should fuck with their chemistry either. But Harris is definitely a significant upgrade over Jack.

2/1/2008 12:23:41 AM

He's also a significant upgrade over Blake.

2/1/2008 12:48:17 AM

Kidd doesn't make Dallas better.

Harris is a superior defender. Kidd is too old and slow defensively to guard the elite Western Conference PG's (Parker, Davis, Paul, etc)

Dallas is a halfcourt offensive team and Kidd thrives in an uptempo offense.


Terrible trade, a young guy having a career year for an aging veteran.

Plus Stackhouse was the Mavs best scoring option in the clutch during the Mavs-Heat series.

2/1/2008 1:17:53 AM

thanks for letting howard assist you with his magical nba insider new 2 weeks ahead of time.

surely doesn't beat my best work

when i announced the bigggest trade in nba history (kg) on draftnight months before it took place.

bow down at my feet

2/13/2008 10:31:25 PM

i hear its a no deal due to devin george blocking the deal


how he can do that i dont know, but i heard it on espn radio

2/13/2008 10:39:34 PM

george is in a no-trade clause with the mavs.

2/13/2008 10:59:45 PM

^^^except that the trade you posted is not the trade talked about tonight


sorry thanks for playing, ginger tell him what his parting gifts are

2/13/2008 11:01:46 PM

^ eh, don't hate

2/14/2008 12:17:00 AM

george can change his mind, but he tried to throw the game tonight.

0-11 shooting, 0-2 from the line....worst game of his career.

2/14/2008 12:43:21 AM

syke

2/14/2008 1:01:08 AM