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2/12/2008 7:10:59 PM

I don't.

2/12/2008 7:17:29 PM

he's so well spoken

2/12/2008 7:18:45 PM

I don't dislike him personally. I don't like some of the media coverage of his campaign.

Gloria Steinem said it best....

"What worries me is that reporters ignore Mr. Obama’s dependence on the old — for instance, the frequent campaign comparisons to John F. Kennedy — while not challenging the slander that her progressive policies are part of the Washington status quo."

2/12/2008 7:23:56 PM

You sound like a whinny Clinton supporter. Go and cry over the Potomac Primaries.

2/12/2008 7:24:51 PM

Whatever dude. We get it. Yes you can.

2/12/2008 7:29:01 PM

your tears taste like freedom.

2/12/2008 7:30:07 PM

haha, I just have so many opportunities from this country. I dont want to see us fall backwards.

2/12/2008 7:32:29 PM

^^^^^ People are comparing him to JFK because he's a young, good-looking politician who is bringing change to Washington. That has nothing to do with his policies being old. That's the dumbest criticism I've ever heard.

[Edited on February 12, 2008 at 7:32 PM. Reason : ]

2/12/2008 7:32:42 PM

It's from Gloria Steinem. She is a huge feminazi and Clinton supporter.

2/12/2008 7:36:14 PM

If tww was my only barometer I'd say that people don't like him because:

1) He can carry himself well when speaking in public

2) His supporters "will believe anything"

3) His supporters don't know his platform

4) His supporters are stupid because they don't support my candidate

That about covers the t dub perspective.

2/12/2008 8:23:55 PM

"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

Far cry from todays democratic party. Please stop with the JFK comparisons.

I think he is a great speaker, but just says what people want to hear. A typical politician. He gives no plans on how to fund the massive increases in spending he proposes. Free this and that, will only get him so far. Eventually someone will ask him some real questions.

I hate the idea of taking money from people bc "they dont need it"(his words). And capping profits on drug companies who "make thier profits off the backs of our seniors who need those drugs." Who is he to decide who should be able to keep thier OWN MONEY? Socialism and classwarfare at its finest.

The irony is that the dems bashed the media over the hype leading to the iraq war and not asking questions.

2/12/2008 8:28:48 PM

He had the most liberal voting record in congress last year.

That worries me.

2/12/2008 8:29:10 PM

i dont like him because he reminds me of Hitler, or any other charismatic populist dictator. He speaks only on emotional responses and has very little substance. he pulls on the heartstrings of the ignorant using feel good concepts like "change" or "yes we can" rather than substance. He is the most liberal member of the Senate by many accounts and he is a socialist. That is why dont like him.

Every liberal, including Obama, thinks the wealthy are rich because they are "fortunate". Never do you hear them say a wealthy person is wealthy because of their own hard work. When you play class warfare, its easier to make people feel good about stealing when you tell them the enemy has more money than you because he was lucky as opposed to a hard worker.

[Edited on February 12, 2008 at 10:10 PM. Reason : .]

2/12/2008 10:05:32 PM

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" I decided to look at Obama's official platform. Looking at it, it appears thoroughly statist, calling for a hike in the payroll tax cap, new pro-union legislation, blocking insurance companies from denying coverage, a home foreclosure bailout fund, cap payday loan interest rates, carbon cap-and-trade, triple the size of AmeriCorps, double foreign aid contributions, and increase the size of the military by 92,000. On the other side of the coin, Obama does offer a few market-friendly programs, such as increased child care and education tax credits (which Paul also supports), exempt payroll taxes from the first $6,500 of earned income, exempt seniors making under $50,000 from income taxes, supports clean coal (most democrats despise hydrocarbon energy production in general), supports carbon sequestration (more market-friendly than carbon regulation), limits agricultural subsidies to farms earning under $250,000 a year, will reinstate PAYGO, has pledged to get all troops out of Iraq within 16 months, opposes war with Iran, and supports the Genocide Intervention Network, which uses private money and nonstate social action to stymie genocide. So, is Obama a left-libertarian? No; Obama's platform is more akin to "Soft Paternalism", a gentler, less threatening approach to controlling people's lives (sometimes incorrectly referred to as Libertarian Paternalism). In the grand scheme of things, Obama is far less statist than Hillary (socialism at home, hegemony abroad) and McCain (fascism at home, endless warfare abroad). If Obama wins the democratic nomination, I suspect he'll run with Bill Richardson (who likes market solutions on pragmatic grounds as well), as he can help shore up Obama's dismal support among Hispanics, which could cost him Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada (19 electoral college votes). Don't get me wrong: in a hypothetical match up in the fall between Obama and McCain, I'll either abstain from voting or write in Paul's name. But for the electorate as a whole, Obama would be the more liberty-minded choice over the statist, warmongering, ill-tempered and possibly unstable John McCain. --Daniel Koffler"

2/12/2008 10:12:30 PM

hey, im rooting for him over Billary

2/12/2008 10:17:05 PM

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"He speaks only on emotional responses and has very little substance. "

Spoken like a true republican. Like there is anything wrong with stirring emotion responses...in fact it's the one goddamned thing our country could use about right now. You know, someone to give a flying shit about something.

And as far as the 'little substance' comment: If anything, your point has little substance as you haven't seen him put his plan in motion yet. You are speculating, making you more vapid than the very claim you stake.

2/12/2008 11:41:34 PM

kay..............oh and its Libertarian18 now, I have washed my hands clean of the GOP

2/12/2008 11:43:58 PM

^^ Are you a woman? Emotion is so overrated. I remember people saying the same thing about Clinton, because "he cares." You sound like the person that PT Barnum so accurately described when he said a sucker is born every minute...

2/12/2008 11:51:29 PM

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"Every liberal, including Obama, thinks the wealthy are rich because they are "fortunate". Never do you hear them say a wealthy person is wealthy because of their own hard work. When you play class warfare, its easier to make people feel good about stealing when you tell them the enemy has more money than you because he was lucky as opposed to a hard worker."

But its okay to have someone making $90,000 pay the full $7,000/yr on Social Security, when the $2.1 million CEO is paying the same tax at $7,000/yr.

Its not that liberals dont ever think people can earn their pay check. Its this "I make such an obscene amount of money, that by taxing me more you must hate me because I have it" mentality. That's whats whack.

Anyway sorry off topic. Change you're username man

2/12/2008 11:55:58 PM

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"^^ Are you a woman? Emotion is so overrated. I remember people saying the same thing about Clinton, because "he cares." You sound like the person that PT Barnum so accurately described when he said a sucker is born every minute... "

What? You have absolutely nothing to add to the thread with this comment. Grats bro.

2/12/2008 11:59:38 PM

Yes, because this has absolutely nothing to do with emotional appeal whatsoever...

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"Like there is anything wrong with stirring emotion responses...in fact it's the one goddamned thing our country could use about right now."

But he cares, he really really cares111!!!!

2/13/2008 12:03:56 AM

to be fair, i think too many people vote based on bull shit. i mean if all it takes is charisma and the pretty spoken word to make you swoon for a candidate, then you are an idiot and shouldn't be voting. this extends both ways, im not signaling any party or people out. all i am saying is that more people should vote based on educated knowledge of the country, policies, issues, history and the candidate's views proposals and record etc. too many people vote based on absolutely nothing, or because they think they are supposed to, and it goes against an educated voting public republic that was intended. if you vote for someone then I support your right 100 percent to do so, i just wish more people had real reasons why they voted for someone.

2/13/2008 12:06:59 AM

I agree to a certain extent......but I am educated on his policies because he has impressed me so much that it motivated me to seek them out, research them, find out what he's all about. And dude, I like what I see on paper just as much as the character and consistency he has shown in all this wonderful oration.

To me that charisma and spoken word aren't to be taken lightly, they spark curiosity - or should. I suggest that to anyone that likes Obama for these reasons they should all do their due diligence and follow-up.

I don't see what's wrong with this line of thinking..

[Edited on February 13, 2008 at 12:12 AM. Reason : ]

2/13/2008 12:11:54 AM

i wasnt talking about you specifically. if a person can logically and rationally form an educated reason to support someone or something than i respect that even if i disagree. too many people know more about brittney spears or American idol than American politics.

[Edited on February 13, 2008 at 12:15 AM. Reason : .]

2/13/2008 12:15:04 AM

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"too many people vote based on absolutely nothing"

i agree....republicans should stop being such naggers on abortion

2/13/2008 12:32:29 AM

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"classwarfare at its finest"

You would be foolish to think that the rich don't propagate class warfare on the middle and lower classes. They are easily the most influencial and beneficial in regards to creating policy and market conditions that favor their own narrow special interests.

The only thing worse than the tyranny of the majority is the tyranny of a minute minority.

2/13/2008 2:34:51 AM

^then why not treat everyone equal? Have a fed sales tax, or have a flat tax. Where everyone pays the same percentage.

The majority of people want something for nothing, and this is who he appeals to. The productive hear the cash register sound going off in our heads everytime he opens his mouth with some other new "policy".

2/13/2008 8:37:08 AM

Why punish success? I think it all boils down to jealousy. There's nothing wrong with a safety net but at the same time we shouldn't create a nanny state that overburdens those who have been the most successful and otherwise attempts to punish those who have worked hard to get where they are in life, like small business owners who put in 80 hours plus a week or doctors who put their lives on hold for years just to be able to get to where they are today.

2/13/2008 9:10:08 AM

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"i dont like him because he reminds me of Hitler... He is the most liberal member of the Senate by many accounts and he is a socialist. That is why dont like him. "

2/13/2008 9:34:14 AM

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"i dont like him because he reminds me of Hitler... He is the most liberal member of the Senate by many accounts and he is a socialist. That is why dont like him."

In that case I'll vote for him just so I can see what logo he ends up putting on his flag. Seems like all the good ones have been taken, so I'm really interested in how much creativity his camp has.

2/13/2008 9:36:59 AM

some people here are ridiculous and deserve the government they get.

2/13/2008 9:38:02 AM

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"i dont like him because he reminds me of Hitler... "

people that actually say that have some of the dumbest and most desperate and stretching opinions ever. What a joke.

How you get from Hitler who is one of the world's most infamous evils and responsible for millions of deaths to Obama, on the basis that both were good public speakers just makes me sick and sorry for how your simple mind works.

2/13/2008 9:40:17 AM

i don't 100% trust him



but I like him better than McCain. There's something to be said for being a liberal and admitting, versus this whole "OMG I'M A CONSERVATIVE" thing McCain is doing.


I'm a lifelong conservative republican, but I'm strongly considering voting for Obama.

2/13/2008 10:23:01 AM

And on the first page we've already hit Godwin

2/13/2008 10:26:09 AM

I don't dislike Obama as a person.

I dislike his policies because I don't believe they will work (see previous threads).

I also dislike most the people that support him. I have spoke to maybe 30 people that support Barack (not including arguments on this board) and not a single damn one of them know fuck all about the issues. They are only voting for him because he is a nice guy that speaks really well.

I also dislike the way the press favors him so clearly. I mean fuck, Lee Cowen of MSNBC was saying it was hard to be objective because Obama is so inspiring. I mean, this guys is a reporter!!! He's not even a member of the punditary. It's bad enough when have folks like Dowd, Rich, et al licking the man's asshole. Do we really need reporters doing it too?

If Obama gets the nomination, I might end up voting for him. I don't know.

2/13/2008 4:51:49 PM

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"i dont like him because he reminds me of Hitler"

thread was killed right there folks

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2/13/2008 4:58:03 PM