why in the hell do organizations still use this??

3/7/2008 3:39:14 PM

paging dakota_man

3/7/2008 3:40:29 PM

charity case?




I can't figure out why we use it.

3/7/2008 3:40:33 PM

say it with me

LEGACY

3/7/2008 3:43:47 PM

Notes rules fuck da haterz

3/7/2008 3:44:19 PM

ps theres a thread here for your venting

message_topic.aspx?topic=514165

post in here and shaggy will come in and tell that if you were as 1337 as him you would write agents to fix all the stuff you bitch about

3/7/2008 3:45:08 PM

the database support is unrivaled - that's about the only plus if you can even call it that

3/7/2008 3:49:47 PM

database support?

If you could call what they're running a "database." No columns, no rows.... just "documents."


And it takes FOREVER to do a search on a few hundred k documents... I've tried.


100,000 rows in a db.... 1.2s

3/7/2008 3:53:25 PM

in the day before a slew of intranet web services - it was a great option - nowadays it's years behind the times

3/7/2008 3:54:50 PM

Documents have fields.

You create views that show you the fields contained in those documents in different columns. This way you can have different views of the same data.

Its really pretty great if you know how to use it.

Create a view -> index the view -> do search. Instant results on 10000 documents.

3/7/2008 3:56:37 PM

first of all, it's LOTUS

wait, do people still use 123?

3/7/2008 3:57:13 PM

^^ I develop in that shit primarily, I know what it does.


The views are nice. But if you want to mine through the data in the "database" and look for relationships between docs.... good fn luck.

3/7/2008 3:58:48 PM

If you want SQL, install notes SQL. Otherwise just write an agent to do what you want.

3/7/2008 3:59:50 PM

my point exactly. THe native document storing structure can hardly be called a "database..." if that's the case then the "my documents" folder on my computer is a database.



And I won't even get into the quirks of domino designer... shit crashes all the time and something as simple as copy and paste and undo/redo they have managed to royally fuck up.

[Edited on March 7, 2008 at 4:01 PM. Reason : .]

3/7/2008 4:01:04 PM

Its not a relational database. Its a structured Document database.

3/7/2008 4:02:06 PM

file -> database -> open

i can't recall doing that to get to my documents

3/7/2008 4:02:21 PM

I call it a "collection-of-shit-that-you-have-to-write-agents-to-get-it-to-do-what-it-should-do-natively-database"

3/7/2008 4:03:11 PM

you have to write sql to do anything in a relational database so i dont know what the problem is. Views are way nicer for finding data than SQL statements in alot of cases.

3/7/2008 4:04:02 PM

you would be categorically wrong about that and have not fully explored exactly how powerful a relational database is.

3/7/2008 4:04:49 PM

What are you trying to do that you cant figure out in notes?

3/7/2008 4:05:40 PM

I heard Groupwise was, and that all of NCSU was converting to it.

3/7/2008 4:06:06 PM

not going to get into that... I could be here all day.

Quote :

"you have to write sql to do anything in a relational database so i dont know what the problem is. Views are way nicer for finding data than SQL statements in alot of cases."

The PRESENTATION is way nicer... you have to design presentation around sql statements, but at runtime, sql statements are faster than view updates.

[Edited on March 7, 2008 at 4:07 PM. Reason : .]

3/7/2008 4:06:34 PM

You mean because you can do it in notes, you just dont know how.

3/7/2008 4:07:10 PM

No, I don't.

3/7/2008 4:07:37 PM

sql updates are faster than view updates because the sql database gets indexed as stuff gets entered. Notes views index on updates (or via schedule). If you have both systems with up to date indexes, your limiter will be disk.

3/7/2008 4:09:57 PM

It is slow.

3/7/2008 4:17:40 PM

^^ and that hardly helps realtime data viewing...

[Edited on March 7, 2008 at 4:18 PM. Reason : .]

3/7/2008 4:18:02 PM

Quote :

"I call it a "collection-of-shit-that-you-have-to-write-agents-to-get-it-to-do-what-it-should-do-natively-database email client""

3/7/2008 4:39:23 PM

bttt I hate it

3/7/2008 6:28:05 PM

lotus notes blows ass.

hate it.

3/7/2008 6:29:02 PM

Quote :

"hate it."

3/7/2008 6:48:43 PM

haha i HATE lotus notes

3/7/2008 8:35:44 PM

naaaationwide is on your side (agency i worked for still used it)

3/7/2008 11:43:17 PM