I'm not being stupid, just an observation. I think Lowe was talking about it affecting play and taking away the jump shot. I wasn't a believer, but after watching a day of ACC play I think their is something to this. I'm not saying this is why we lost...we suck, I'm just pointing out something that I would never notice watching a casual game. Lots of jump shots at close range that touch rim miss.

also, i see the title, so (no homo) even though this isn't chit chat

3/13/2008 9:14:24 PM

this is why girls shouldnt post in sports talk

3/13/2008 9:17:40 PM

If this wasn't the reason we lost the game, then why even bring it up? It's not like it affects one team differently than the other.

^ haha... no.

[Edited on March 13, 2008 at 9:18 PM. Reason : ]

3/13/2008 9:18:07 PM

tournament rims always seem to be like that. acc and ncaa.

although i do notice this watching a casual game, so i'm not sweating it either.

3/13/2008 9:18:17 PM

HOLY CRAP, IM NOT A GIRL READ A FUCKING BIO ONCE IN A WHILE. ALSO I BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE I FOUND IT INTERESTING. FUCKING SHIT

3/13/2008 9:56:05 PM

When I played at the YMCA, there was one goal that was tight and another one that gave so much that all you had to do is throw it up and it'd roll in. Everybody wanted to shoot on that goal and nobody wanted the side of the court with the tight rim. Maybe that was the case today

3/13/2008 9:59:08 PM

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"HOLY CRAP, IM NOT A GIRL READ A FUCKING BIO ONCE IN A WHILE. ALSO I BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE I FOUND IT INTERESTING. FUCKING SHIT"

hahaha honestly i was just kidding... sorry man

i saw someone else said it to you in another thread and you blew up so i thought i'd do it again for fun

also... nothing against the thread

3/13/2008 10:59:44 PM

hahaha

i am laugh'n out loud, for real. i remember this, exact thing happening. poor guy. but extremely funny none the less

3/13/2008 11:45:25 PM

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"this is why girls shouldnt post in sports talk"

ok, but really, they switch sides, so it's even either way... If you're a good team that has to let it rattle around the rim, then you're not that good. And if you can hit the middle of the net every time, then you're better. I don't care what rim you're playing on

[Edited on March 13, 2008 at 11:50 PM. Reason : t]

3/13/2008 11:48:43 PM

Just shows how good those NBA guys are.....

3/14/2008 12:42:21 AM

what do dames know about ST?

3/14/2008 2:06:30 AM

both teams used the same 2 rims...

no excuse

3/14/2008 5:09:06 AM

Who let the girl in?

3/14/2008 9:54:31 AM

Reggie Miller mentions this on occasion, but I've never understood why this is not discussed more. There was an old N&O article on it in the ACC. Big surprise, Duke has soft rims.

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"College basketball rims all look the same, but as players stepping into a strange arena can quickly find out, all rims don't shoot the same. They're as loose as the rules permit at Duke's Cameron Indoor Stadium, which favors the Blue Devils' jump shot artists. And they're as tight as can be at UNC-Chapel Hill's Smith Center -- just right for a Tar Heel slam dunk. But in the NCAA men's basketball tournament, all rims are set at the same tension -- and tested to assure consistency. It hasn't always been that way. Players never knew whether the rims would be as hard and unforgiving as a preacher's glare or as soft and forgiving as a feather bed. To end this age-old gamesmanship during its nationwide basketball showcase, the NCAA has brought in Charles Jolley, a former college coach. He roves the arenas hosting tournament games, testing rims to make sure they favor neither the slam dunk nor the long-range shot. "There is a difference, but it shouldn't be nearly as much as it used to be in the old days," Jolley said. That rims are tested at all is a change for college basketball, where players have long debated whether the rims in certain arenas were "tight" or "loose." Loose rims are forgiving, allowing an imperfect shot to receive a more favorable roll or bounce. Tight ones can cause a slightly errant shot to carom away. To create greater equity, the NCAA mandated three years ago that all rims in Division I meet certain specifications. Testing is conducted at each arena prior to the season, before every conference tournament, and at all NCAA Tournament venues. Rim tension must range between 35 percent (tight) and 50 percent (loose) except in the postseason, as measured by a device designed to test a rim's give. All rims are set for 42 percent in NCAA Tournament games. "Used to be, you could go into some gyms and find a 10 and some gyms were at 90," Jolley said. "A coach who has a lot of great dunkers wants a 35. A coach with great shooters wants it closer to 50 percent." The measurements at UNC's Smith Center are 37 percent at one basket and 38.6 percent at the other. At Duke's Cameron Indoor Stadium, the measurements are 49.1 and 49.4. Guess which team likes to go inside and which one looks to score more from 3-point range? Still, Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski said he didn't know the figures in Cameron Indoor Stadium, only that he wants his Blue Devils' shots to go in. And UNC director of basketball operations Jared Haase said he had never heard about rim tension. As a player at Kansas, he said, his only thought was about hitting the net. A fine mess The testers have a sophisticated device to check the rims. Using a device from Porter Athletics called "Fair-Court," testers drop a 5-pound weight on the rim from about 4 feet high. A sensor measures the velocity and energy impact and translates it to a percentage. If it's not between 35 and 50, the goal tension is tightened -- or loosened -- to meet NCAA standards. Each coach is required to certify the testing and isn't permitted to change the rim tension during the season, Jolley said. The idea was the brainchild of Jerry Krause, a former college coach and current director of basketball operations at Gonzaga University. With help from the university's engineering department, he figured out a way to check the rims and did unofficial testing around the country for five years. Krause discovered a "mess," noting that "some were so sloppy; you hit the rim and [the ball] goes in. Some were so tight. It should be the same." He vividly remembers the taut goals at the New Orleans Superdome in 1982, where Carolina's Michael Jordan swished the game-winning jumper to beat Georgetown University 63-62 in the national championship game. "It's a good thing he hit all net,'' Krause said. "If Jordan had not hit a clean shot, that shot wouldn't have gone in. The rim was tight as a drum, about 20 or 30 [percent]." Krause said national rim testing has "made the game fairer.'' "Whether you are playing in Portland, Ore., or Portland, Maine, it doesn't matter," he said. All in their head Sometimes players can misinterpret the give of the rims. N.C. State University's Brandon Costner said, "I can always tell a difference,'' and said of the RBC Center: "Our rims are a little tighter than most. I would rather have another kind." Actually, the RBC Center rims are about medium, measuring 43.8 percent at one basket and 44.7 percent at the other. And University of Virginia guard Sean Singletary said the rims at UNC and Duke felt tight to him, although the goals in Cameron Indoor Stadium are loose by test standards. Wake Forest University's Harvey Hale, who launches long jumpers, also prefers the softer rims like the Deacons' Joel Coliseum because you "get a roll." Abby Waner, a sharp shooter for Duke's 30-1 women's team, said she has never paid much attention to rims. "Some players use it as an excuse,'' Waner said. "If you miss, you miss." Of course, the best way to deal with any rim is to hit nothing but net. "

http://www.newsobserver.com/122/story/554583.html

3/14/2008 11:02:07 AM