http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

Wow... this man is hateful.


What's with the political commentary by preachers?

3/19/2008 1:57:05 PM

I don't know, why don't you ask Pat Robertson.

3/19/2008 1:59:01 PM

It's only ok when democrat preachers stump in the pulpit, I thought this was common knowledge.

I heard some of this on the radio today...calling Obama trash and chastising black people for turning their backs on the Clintons.

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 2:02 PM. Reason : ]

3/19/2008 2:00:51 PM

that guy calls obama trash for being born of a white woman and says that "we turn our back on bill clinton after all he's done for us"

3/19/2008 2:03:37 PM

It goes on every day across the country, but to my understanding it is illegal for tax-exempt churches to be involved in politics and it can jeopardize their tax exempt status. I personally know of many churches that hand out pre-printed sample ballots with the endorsed candidates' names on them. I've seen them and they look just like the ballots in the voting booths. It's not free to get your names on those ballots, either. It takes more than a solid platform.

3/19/2008 2:03:49 PM

^ Yes they cannot do that. I don't believe Robertson's programs are tax exempt. His church may be, but I don't believe his news casts and that company is.

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 2:06 PM. Reason : .]

3/19/2008 2:05:55 PM

"two great big ole tits"

Made me laugh

3/19/2008 2:11:24 PM

i wonder how many people think this preacher is a racist compared to whether or not they thought wright is a racist...

3/19/2008 2:30:58 PM

haha i was just thinking to myself today how its funny how most blacks did turn their backs on the clintons

3/19/2008 2:44:17 PM

dnl, you add absolutely nothing to the soap box. Go back to chit chat where you belong.

3/19/2008 3:09:20 PM

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"i wonder how many people think this preacher is a racist compared to whether or not they thought wright is a racist..."

I have no problem with a person wanting to build up their own race...its when it is at the expense of other races that it starts to be racist.

3/19/2008 3:14:05 PM

hypothetical question to you DaBird...and its hypothetical because I am white but I don't really care about "white pride"

If a white person wanted to build up their own race, would there be any possible way for them to do this at all without being perceived as a racist? Like I said, I could care less about "white pride"...I just don't know if in our current society its even possible for a white person to even speak positively on their own race without coming across as being a racist

If anyone else wants to jump in and answer feel free...I can foresee a possible answer of "Irish Pride" or "Italian Pride" etc...but my surname can be traced back to England and I don't give a shit about any type of British Pride

3/19/2008 3:17:07 PM

white people have to play by different rules when it comes to stuff like this and always will. we will always pay, to some degree, for the sins of our forefathers in this manner.

so to answer your question, no, white people are not allowed, in our culture, to say such things.

3/19/2008 3:22:12 PM

i couldnt come up with a reasonable way either

i'll still leave the question open in case someone can

3/19/2008 3:31:04 PM

there will always be double standards in our culture (i.e. our drug policy)

3/19/2008 3:32:39 PM

Perhaps it's just me, but I don't see anything wrong with expressing pro-white sentiments. I'm involved the Western martial arts community, in which folks commonly assert the worth of the European martial tradition. I don't think this is necessarily racist, though it can lead to that.

In general, though, there's no reason to speak up for whites in America. We're doing fine. Most respected historical figures are white. What's the problem? When pro-white feelings become a defense of white privilege, then it's racism. That's what a lot of current pro-white expression is.

3/19/2008 3:33:47 PM

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"In general, though, there's no reason to speak up for whites in America. We're doing fine."

not if you listen to some........rev. Wright......

3/19/2008 3:42:15 PM

I mean we're not being oppressed by other races. There's no need for us to fight for rights and respect as a bloc.

Whites still do plenty of oppressing. People of all colors should oppose this.

3/19/2008 3:44:56 PM

If you can't see a difference between what this man has said and what Wright said, then you couldn't understand even if I broke it down for you. Heh.

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 3:50 PM. Reason : .]

3/19/2008 3:50:02 PM

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"Whites still do plenty of oppressing."

quit lumping 160,000,000 or whatever people into some single group of homogenous people who are all rich and privileged and have stress free lives and no cares in the world

(im assuming the 160,000,000 is in the general ballpark for how many white americans there currently are)

3/19/2008 4:03:08 PM

I think he's talking about white America as a whole- in case you couldn't understand

3/19/2008 4:09:34 PM

maybe i should talk about "black America as a whole"

you wouldnt have a problem with me lumping all yall together would you?

3/19/2008 4:10:22 PM

Actually, that has been the issue at hand. He wasn't stereotyping, he was talking about white America as a whole. There is a difference - you're just on the defensive for absolutely no reason.

How do you talk about the black America as a whole unless you lump us together? Tell each individual's story?

3/19/2008 4:13:28 PM

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"Whites still do plenty of oppressing."

How am I, as a member of the white race, oppressing anybody?

3/19/2008 4:15:49 PM

YOU aren't - but your people are (according to what he said). Kind of like I, as an American, am not murdering innocent Iraqis. My people are though.

3/19/2008 4:17:37 PM

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read. So I'm guilty by association just because I happen to be white? Such arguments have been used in the past to enslave, murder, and otherwise harm others based on the supposed actions of a few, if any.

3/19/2008 4:25:58 PM

This guy actually brings up some points I agree with... but when will people learn that as soon as you turn on the crazy, your message gets lost. He could have made that speech without ridiculously attacking obama and calling him names...would have been a better message.

3/19/2008 4:35:21 PM

I guess since the majority of people in prison are black I can paint black people with one broad brush as being drug dealers, murderers, thieves, and rapists? I mean after all, terpball may not be, but his peeps are.

3/19/2008 4:52:56 PM

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"That's the dumbest thing I've ever read. So I'm guilty by association just because I happen to be white? "

whoa whoa whoa - nobody said you were guilty of anything buddy. Calm down.

^oh, look, someone is following me around TWW again

DAMMIT

I'm not gay dude, get off my nuts

3/19/2008 4:58:03 PM

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"He wasn't stereotyping, he was talking about white America as a whole"

how is that not stereotyping?????

3/19/2008 5:00:14 PM

^^ Says the guy who rode NC86's nuts for weeks on end.

I'm just trying to follow your logic here. If you want to buy into broad generalizations, should I buy into pastor Manning's interpretation of those who support the "adversary of the devil" Barack Obama, who includes in his remarks calling his supporters nappy?

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 5:01 PM. Reason : more ^^]

3/19/2008 5:01:11 PM

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"I guess since the majority of people in prison are black I can paint black people with one broad brush as being drug dealers, murderers, thieves, and rapists? I mean after all, terpball may not be, but his peeps are."

why does it have to be the majority of a group of people to make the analogy? the vast majority of white americans arent oppressing anyone yet GoldenViper thinks enough whites are oppressing people to claim "Whites still do plenty of oppressing"

3/19/2008 5:04:53 PM

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"how is that not stereotyping?????"

good question, if I judge you based on white America as a whole, that would be stereotyping.

If I say you're stupid (I honestly think you are) because America as a whole is stupid, I would be stereotyping (I'm not stereotyping though, because I can tell from your posts that you're an idiot).

3/19/2008 5:05:04 PM

so if I talk about "black America as a whole" is that racist or not? Is it or isn't it racist to paint an entire race of people in this country a certain way?

3/19/2008 5:07:26 PM

^^^ Good point. Simple minds usually buy into the whole "they made me the way I am, not because I'm lazy or stupid" argument.

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 5:09 PM. Reason : more ^'s]

3/19/2008 5:08:41 PM

^^Look, there are different definitions, I like to think If you judge INDIVIDUALS based on your perception of the group to which they belong, you are stereotyping. This could be viewed as negative or positive. I think it depends on your intent.

I can see how one would think "whites opress" is bad, just like I would think "blacks steal" is bad. Why do you think I said

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"(according to what he said). "

in my response earlier. He definitely put it in wrong terms

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 5:13 PM. Reason : ]

3/19/2008 5:12:47 PM

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"Actually, that has been the issue at hand. He wasn't stereotyping, he was talking about white America as a whole. There is a difference - you're just on the defensive for absolutely no reason."

maybe the reason is that he's trying to group 70% of the country together as being oppressors? but i have absolutely no reason to have a problem with my entire race being painted in a negative light...i mean like he said, "there's no reason to speak up for whites in America. We're doing fine."

btw

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"if I judge you based on white America as a whole, that would be stereotyping."

and when you think you're qualified to know what "white America as a whole" or any race in America "as a whole" is, you're also stereotyping

3/19/2008 5:16:34 PM

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"So I'm guilty by association just because I happen to be white?"

Not exactly. You do, however, benefit from white privilege. American society and culture have been structured to favor whites over non-whites. This exists regardless of whether you consciously support it. Most of us whites at least unconsciously maintain the status quo. Many do so more actively, as quick look at TWW threads will demonstrate.

(OMF you have no sense of humor lol!!1)

For a decent primer on the subject, follow this link:

http://whiteprivilege.com/definition/

It's not as a simple we might like. It's not a matter of some blacks and some whites doing bad things. Racism goes deeper than that. The historical context frames the discussion. As I said before, white power tends to be reactionary while black power is revolutionary.

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 5:33 PM. Reason : more]

3/19/2008 5:26:41 PM

I never understood the whole white guilt thing. I am who I am and I'm not going to apologize for it, nor do I feel any sense of remorse because of shit that happened well before I was born.

So programs like affirmative action were set up to keep the white man uber alles? Where I come from, people got ahead because of what they did, not the color of their skin.

3/19/2008 5:30:31 PM

I don't feel guilty for being white. Through my study of European history, I'm perhaps more connected than most American whites to my racial roots. For whatever it's worth.

None of that changes the system. You can recognize white privilege without hating yourself over it.

3/19/2008 5:43:10 PM

You make a good point, but I simply do not buy it. I like to think better of my fellow man, it makes little sense to me to promote or deny somebody based on race, but then again, what do I know...

3/19/2008 5:48:20 PM

oh shit...that motherfucker said "you don't have enough sense to poor piss out of a boot."


hahahahahhahahahaha

3/19/2008 6:01:16 PM

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"Not exactly. You do, however, benefit from white privilege. American society and culture have been structured to favor whites over non-whites. This exists regardless of whether you consciously support it. Most of us whites at least unconsciously maintain the status quo. Many do so more actively, as quick look at TWW threads will demonstrate. "

white privilege? like what? seriously what do i have to gain by being white in this country? it'd be nice if for once in the united states people would quit pissing and moaning about race. people of all races are born into privileges, and people of all races are born into less-privileged lives. don't even think about lumping me into your idea of 'white america'. i don't care what color i am. i'm an american. i'm the son of two hard working people; my hands have bled, blistered and ached from my own work, and i'll stand beside anybody willing to do the same.

as for this thread's topic, a preacher should not be hateful, white, black or otherwise, and it's a shame to see.

3/19/2008 7:03:25 PM

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"white privilege? like what? seriously what do i have to gain by being white in this country?"

Here's a start:

http://www.anarchistblackcross.org/org/wp/peggy.html

3/19/2008 7:24:49 PM

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"http://www.anarchistblackcross.org/"

3/19/2008 7:38:12 PM

I thought you might like that, Twista.

I guess white privilege is a fairly radical idea.

It doesn't seem that way to me, though, as I got exposed to the notion early on.

Some moderates recognize it.

3/19/2008 7:40:55 PM

i recognize that white males are probably the least likely group in this country to get discriminated against by a bank for a loan or a cab driver, etc, although a lot of that is how you present yourself, but the source you're citing is the Anarchist Black Cross Network?

besides the facts are, everybody gets privilege in some places...i'm not going to get any white privilege if i go downtown and apply for a job working in the front office of the Bobcats...i'm not going to get any white privilege if i'm at a party with a bunch of blacks or hispanics...i'm not getting any white privilege when i go out to a restaurant, when i drive my car to work, when i do lots of things

'white privilege' seems to be another way of blaming white people for other peoples' misfortunes or actions in the past, and/or countering any claims that there is a double standard in regards to how races are publicly portrayed, ie black pride is good culturally, white pride is the kkk and aryan nation

3/19/2008 7:45:15 PM

Sure, why not?

Would you prefer the following address?

http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~mcisaac/emc598ge/Unpacking.html

It's the same article.

3/19/2008 7:50:13 PM

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"This essay is excerpted from Working Paper 189. "White Privilege and Male Privilege: A Personal Account of Coming To See Correspondences through Work in Women's Studies" (1988), by Peggy McIntosh"

an essay from a feminist...the source doesnt exactly transcend my two reasons for 'white privilege' in the edit of my post above, nor does it explain more than one woman's story

3/19/2008 7:55:05 PM

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