its on pack pride, no link tho

instead of one and done two and through will be the case.

should help out though with programs and certainly the shape of teams...and maybe make the college level more competitive again.

link:
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/index.php?title=two_year_rule_expected_from_nba_ncaa&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

this would be GREAT if we end up getting Favors in the future

4/7/2008 12:28:38 PM

I can see it both ways.

It could make the game more competitive because the great recruits don't want to play behind someone that would otherwise leave after one year.

On the other hand, this means that the top schools who get the top recruits have them for two years.

4/7/2008 12:35:01 PM

Quote :

" Speculation that today's "major announcement" by NCAA president Myles Brand and NBA commissioner David Stern would concern a proposal to extend the NBA's age-limit restriction from 19 to 20 years of age has apparently turned out to be just that, speculation. USA Today reports this morning that the announcement will be a joint agreement to sponsor a program to change youth basketball. The program is designed to work with the shoe companies to try and improve the summer basketball programs that have influenced elite players. "You're 14 or 15 years old and you're potentially an elite basketball player," Brand told USA Today. "Here you have the NBA and the NCAA working jointly with the shoe companies and USA Basketball, and they're sanctioning a certain type of event and certain coaches. Why would you not listen to them if you wanted a future in basketball? "That's the way we're going to deal with it and not try to regulate competitors out of business." As for the new age-limit rule, most believe it will happen, but not before the NBA collection bargaining agreement is up for negotiation in 2010-11."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2008-04-07-ncaa-nba-youth_N.htm

4/7/2008 12:43:01 PM

I think it should still be up to the kids whether or not they go pro early and when....if they make a bad decision oh well. People have to make decisions in every day life. I mean these lucky bastards get a chance to make millions playing basketball. Are we supposed to feel sorry for them?

4/7/2008 12:46:13 PM

With One and Done possibly becoming Two and Through.

Would it become Three and Flee if they made them stay till their Junior year?

4/7/2008 12:46:46 PM

Then Four and out the Door

4/7/2008 12:56:08 PM

i mean i could care less what age they bring people in but i like this...but i dont really care about it...but i like it....shit i could care less if they let 16 year olds play in the nba if they good enough

4/7/2008 1:32:54 PM

I personally am just waiting for an NBA competitor to prop up with 6 franchises, and the money benefactor will take any age.

I guess that's one benefit of being a monopoly with no competition, you can dictate employment terms.

4/7/2008 1:54:06 PM

It should be a two fold rule:

1. You can go straight from HS to declaring for the draft and lose all college eligibility,

2. Or you can go to college and be ineligible for the NBA draft for 3 years.

This way, kids that 100% sure they are ready right after HS can make the jump, but you won't have all sorts of HS kids trying to declare.....and a program knows it will have their recruits atleast 3 years.

4/7/2008 1:56:20 PM

^That's essentially the way college baseball is, I think. Something like that.

4/7/2008 2:00:51 PM

^Isn't that what baseball does??

And I see this happening:

Quote :

"On the other hand, this means that the top schools who get the top recruits have them for two years."

Think of Marvin Williams at UNC for another year (or Brandan Wright, or Luol Deng at Duke).

4/7/2008 2:01:37 PM

Texas would have had Durant this year and tOSU would have had Oden and Conley.....

[Edited on April 7, 2008 at 2:14 PM. Reason : Wow]

4/7/2008 2:13:47 PM

JJ hickson entered the draft already? per, the article posted above. I guess i've been out of it

4/7/2008 4:32:06 PM

Yeah, he was like the first guy to announce.

4/7/2008 4:35:11 PM

he's not hiring an agent though which means he can come back.... doubt he will though.

4/7/2008 4:39:38 PM

Quote :

"this would be GREAT if we end up getting Favors in the future"

ok, there's not way state is getting Derrick Favors.. i'd say 99% chance he stays in Georgia.

4/7/2008 5:13:55 PM

4/7/2008 5:34:23 PM

who is that?

4/7/2008 5:36:54 PM

I can see both ways, and I have 2 view:

1) They should stay and develop, the players go to class for a semester stay eligible and then just do whatever till draft. NCAA will become more competitive with talent staying and making games more marketable and players more rounded and skilled for the NBA leap, making both products better. (In short).

2) How can you deny an 18 year old their right to work, their livelihood and chance to earn a living? At 18 you can vote, go to war, sign up for military, drop out of HS, go to college (can't buy liquor ((yet)). But you going to say they can't go into a league simply b/c you want be able to scout them more, and keep the NCAA pumping. If you want them to wait, then don't draft em. (In short).

Tough either way you look at it. But personally I would like to them to stay just so I can see a player develop and see a team grow and not have a outstanding year and then fall flat on their face due to Fresh Phenom.


III

4/7/2008 5:39:51 PM

Quote :

"Or you can go to college and be ineligible for the NBA draft for 3 years."

Yes, that is what baseball does. You have to be 21 or 3 years removed from HS. Or you can go right out of HS

I don't like it though. One year makes sense because everybody gets to see all the prospects more than you would from HS, and players don't really get injured too much to effect their draft position. So if you're good enough to get that $couple mil bonus then I think you should be able to take it.

[Edited on April 7, 2008 at 5:47 PM. Reason : @]

4/7/2008 5:44:54 PM

Quote :

"How can you deny an 18 year old their right to work, their livelihood and chance to earn a living?"

You're not. They can get paid to play in other leagues, just not the NBA. No different from the NFL age rules (which have been upheld in lawsuits).

4/7/2008 5:48:50 PM

Quote :

"2) How can you deny an 18 year old their right to work, their livelihood and chance to earn a living? At 18 you can vote, go to war, sign up for military, drop out of HS, go to college (can't buy liquor ((yet)). But you going to say they can't go into a league simply b/c you want be able to scout them more, and keep the NCAA pumping. If you want them to wait, then don't draft em. (In short)."

I just can't understand this argument that "they're good enough to go to the pros, so why can't they" argument. No offence to any cubicle monkeys on here, but I'm willing to bet that at least 2/3 of incoming freshmen are qualified to work at a cubicle. However, one particular job requirement involves them spending a certain amount of time in college first. Why is it bad for one corporation to do this, but not another?

4/7/2008 5:48:57 PM

At first I thought 1 year wouldn't be enough...if they were going to do the rule, make it at least two years.


But after seeing Durant, Rose, Oden, Beasley, etc., I think one year is plenty for us to see if a kid is ready to make the jump.


I just wish they had instituted it a few years earlier...imagine seeing LeBron, D12 and Josh Smith tear up the NCAA.

4/7/2008 5:50:03 PM

^ Tru that about Lebron and J-Howard....damn....


III

4/7/2008 5:56:55 PM

Quote :

"But after seeing Durant, Rose, Oden, Beasley, etc., I think one year is plenty for us to see if a kid is ready to make the jump. I just wish they had instituted it a few years earlier...imagine seeing LeBron, D12 and Josh Smith tear up the NCAA."

I just don't see the point in guys like you mentioned going to college for 1-2 years. All of them are so much better than the competition that they don't really gain anything from playing in college.

What's worth more to a player like Lebron--82 games against top-level NBA talent, or 35 games playing guys that are all scrubs compared to him?

4/7/2008 6:00:40 PM

Quote :

" I just don't see the point in guys like you mentioned going to college for 1-2 years. All of them are so much better than the competition that they don't really gain anything from playing in college. What's worth more to a player like Lebron--82 games against top-level NBA talent, or 35 games playing guys that are all scrubs compared to him?"

Not arguing your point, I think you are pretty dead on, but would have been great to see. Also, I don't care how you slice it, playing a season in college will help a player. LeBron could have worked on his shot. J-Howard could have worked on outside game. Playing in college would give those GREAT athletes a chance to polish and smooth out an already great game. Thats all I am saying.


III

4/7/2008 6:06:34 PM

i think this is an excellent idea because

1. young athletes can no longer use college as a 1 season springboard into the NBA
2. 2 years is sufficient time for the NBA to see how you transitioned from HS to college. Let's face it... some kids aren't cut out for the NBA.
3. Alot goes into recruiting. This ensures that a college will get at least 2 seasons out of em

i'd also find it funny for prospects to go play some Russian ball as opposed to sittin on their couch for 2 years after high school graduation.

4/7/2008 6:42:47 PM

Quote :

"But after seeing Durant, Rose, Oden, Beasley, etc., I think one year is plenty for us to see if a kid is ready to make the jump."

what? how does this make sense, 3 out of those 4 players havent played in the nba so how can you be sure that they are prepared?

Quote :

"Not arguing your point, I think you are pretty dead on, but would have been great to see. Also, I don't care how you slice it, playing a season in college will help a player. LeBron could have worked on his shot. J-Howard could have worked on outside game."

i like that. you say you won't argue and that he is 'dead on' then you turn around and state the exact opposite. makes sense.

and i'm guessing you mean D-Howard since the only j-howard's i can think of went to college. as for D-howard, why the fuck would he be working on his outside game as a freshman big man?? and even if he wanted to, you think they dont work on his game in the nba?

i think only the best of the best don't get a benefit from college. lebron had no real need for a college game. howard probably could have used the year to bulk up, not much else. any other player i think it is hard to argue that 82 games of being, at best, a 3rd or 4th option is better than being the MAN for a team for a year and really learning the game.

4/7/2008 7:12:54 PM

has nobody mentioned yet that this isnt going to happen any time soon and it was misreported in the first place?

4/7/2008 7:13:37 PM

either way it is just another thing that really has no direct effect on nc state except when duke and unc's good players stay another year

4/7/2008 7:21:50 PM

true, but its also a reporter jumping the gun and reporting a false story

4/7/2008 7:28:25 PM

it was pointed out as "speculation" and that it wont happen until 2010-2011 at the earliest in the third post

4/7/2008 7:52:54 PM

This means you just pick all favorites in your brackets

4/7/2008 7:55:56 PM

so in like 15 years does this fuck with the stats and records and shit? seems like lebron will get 2 more years to rack up stats

4/7/2008 7:58:23 PM

lebron, kobe, t-mac, dwight howard, etc

4/7/2008 8:36:35 PM

Quote :

"Tru that about Lebron and J-Howard....damn...."

all this time i could've sworn j-howard spent 4 years at wake. guess i'm getting old

4/7/2008 8:41:46 PM

if this happens, kids will start going to europe for 2 years, make a few hundred grand, then come back for the NBA

4/7/2008 8:55:23 PM

eh, I doubt there will be too much of that. The ones who are good enough to go straight to the pros would likely be advised (wisely) to play two years of college ball to get tons of exposure and start building their brand before jumping to the NBA.

4/7/2008 9:09:04 PM

lebron told me he actually is in favor of this

4/7/2008 11:12:47 PM

kobe told me that he thinks it's bull

4/7/2008 11:19:57 PM

Quote :

"all this time i could've sworn j-howard spent 4 years at wake. guess i'm getting old"

Ahaha glad I am not the only one who caught that....Surely you guys that know basketball meant Dwight Howard.

4/8/2008 2:33:38 AM

The best idea I've heard is the following:

The NBA has a combine/commission something like that that grades players in high school. From there they assess if a kid is good enough to come out of HS and be in the NBA, if he meets their criteria he is free to enter the draft, or go to college. Kids that aren't up to the grade would have to go to college and stay 2 years. 2 years is important because it means the kids must actually be students, 1 year you can essentially quit going to class your spring semester, who cares you are leaving anyway. If they are going to college at least make them be students even for a short period of time.

This also takes the agents and dirty part of high school kids entering the draft out of the equation. Those people that convince a kid to leave HS early when they aren't wouldn't exist, because that power is now in a knowledgable commision with no financial interest in the kid. They also mentioned that there would be some type of insurance policy for the kids who leave high school early, and if they got injured or didn't pan out there would be money in place for the kid to then attend college or not be completly screwed.

Pretty complicated system, but I think it would solve a lot of issues. The easiest thing to do is just say if you leave from HS to play fine, but if you go to college you stay for 2 years.

4/8/2008 12:08:17 PM

a grading system?

yea right...there would be so many bust and so many sleepers, the system would be wayyyyy too flawed

4/8/2008 12:13:22 PM

That is how it is now anyway, you are basically just removing the money grubbing agent who is telling some kid how great he is, when he isn't.

They already do stuff like this with college football, players are assessed and they are told when they would potentially be drafted.

4/8/2008 12:35:57 PM

I think there would have to be a general agreement that the kid is a stud in order for him to get a pass and go straight to the pros. Maybe only 15 max should be lucky enough to get the label, with an average around 7.

Yeah, there are sleepers and other things, but they can simply go on to college and either explode or fade out of existence.

4/8/2008 12:59:57 PM