http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

basically says people get bitter and turn to guns or religion etc instead of being constructive or something....i got a feeling the rightwing media will definitely try to turn this into a giant controversy...honestly i could care less...i dont want to vote for any of them honestly

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 7:53 PM. Reason : cnn is already going crazy about it...lou dobbs show is pounding him...right befo the weekend too...]

4/11/2008 7:51:46 PM

this is what he gets for running his trap on a whole bunch of issues that he's not gona change and have shit to do with the White House.

4/11/2008 11:06:50 PM

But he stands for CHANGE!! CHANGE that we can believe in!! HOPE for all people of the world!! He will bring HOPE back to this country through CHANGE!!!

4/11/2008 11:32:54 PM

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"turn to guns or religion etc instead of being constructive"

I think I'm gonna vote for him now.

4/11/2008 11:35:01 PM

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""Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American.""

Didn't Bill Clinton promise a middle class tax cut --and then SURPRISE... we couldn't afford it?

..And if Obama is going to keep referring to himself in the third person..EarthDogg is gonna get annoyed.

[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 11:42 PM. Reason : .]

4/11/2008 11:41:39 PM

Obama is a moron

4/12/2008 12:43:19 AM

this is the gayest thread ever.

I was just watching CNN where they totally trashed McCain and Hilllary for even surmising this bullshit. Not sure which segment you saw (plus Lou Dobbs is a fucking moron).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8dRMofHNs


Plus Barack already made a comeback to this ridiculous attempt at making him sound elitist that makes them seem like idiots. McCain and Hillary both are so pathetic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow

[Edited on April 12, 2008 at 1:27 AM. Reason : nice try you GOP blowhards, doesn't work and you sound really pathetic.]

4/12/2008 1:25:21 AM

dude do you watch fox news? of course hannitys dumb ass was on it...i'm sure rush and all the other losers will be harping this shit up for the next week...obama will probably have to give another speech to shut them up and watch his poll numbers go even higher

4/12/2008 1:34:44 AM

nobody gives a shit about faux news, and they can screw themselves. Don't think the American people are that stupid to believe such a biased spin machine.

What's sad is that they have to reduce themselves to such petty claims to compete. Weak ass politicians if I've ever seen it, and why I think the GOP are in for it this year becuase that shit isn't going to fly anymore.

4/12/2008 1:41:55 AM

Not like the GOP has a monopoly on pettiness, or has the back and forth school yard bickering between Obama and Hillary been a right wing conspiracy?

4/12/2008 8:16:42 AM

^^ For someone who rants about Rush Limbaugh and Karl Rove's nutsack, I'm willing to bet you're finger isn't exactly on the pulse of middle America.

4/12/2008 8:28:19 AM

yeah, neither guns nor religion never brought about change


signed,

the french
the americans
the lutherans
etc.

4/12/2008 9:42:55 AM

^ maybe you should use some guns and religion to learn proper use of the english language.


haha and wait a second. All of the examples you used pre-date 1900.

[Edited on April 12, 2008 at 10:05 AM. Reason : wtf yo]

4/12/2008 10:03:49 AM

BonBach missed the American Revolution and the World Wars

4/12/2008 10:07:38 AM

my loose grasp of the King's English aside, you really believe that people have somehow changed in the past 200 years? We're that much different?

Interbreasting.

4/12/2008 10:08:53 AM

people havent changed. But saying that people get bitter and turn to guns or religion instead of being constructive is correct in my opinion and has nothing to do with any of the revolutions you pointed out.

4/12/2008 10:14:53 AM

and my counterpoint is that becoming bitter and turning to guns and religion shouldn't necessarily be viewed as non-constructive.

4/12/2008 10:17:19 AM

way to completely ignore then context in which obama was talking

4/12/2008 10:21:08 AM

the guns and/or religion were used in order to reach a goal gained by creativity. Creativity came first and then the guns and/or religion were used. At least this was the case in your examples.

4/12/2008 10:21:31 AM

^^i'm not so much ignoring the context as much as i am looking at the full implications of such thought.


thanks for playing, though.


^I totally acknowledge your point, and agree with it (except in the case of the French Revolution, which is on its own a strange bird) but what is bothersome is the dismissal of the positive contributions that guns and religion can bring to the table. Yes, it's easy to look at the negatives, but we have all reaped the benefits of both, spawned from a preceding creativity-fest or not.

4/12/2008 10:27:01 AM

I can agree with that. I'm not dismissing that guns and religion have never lead to creativity.

regardless I agree with what the Obaminator said.

4/12/2008 10:33:11 AM

Quote :

"becoming bitter and turning to guns and religion shouldn't necessarily be viewed as non-constructive"

and most rational people would agree with you.

however, in the CONTEXT in which obama was speaking, becoming bitter and turning to guns and religion could be pretty non-constructive

4/12/2008 10:37:44 AM

they'll grasp at whatever they can whenever they can. it's so silly, the same old same old game.

4/12/2008 10:52:20 AM

WTF ever, that is politics. If Obama can't handle it, GTFO. The left does the exact same shit.

4/12/2008 10:57:07 AM

We should turn to more constructive things like Obama did when things got tough, like cocaine.

4/12/2008 10:59:30 AM

unfortunately, i've grown tiresome of the responses of "swift boats!!!!" and "mission accomplished!!!" as defenses towards the questioning of Obama and Clinton's abilities...

4/12/2008 11:02:07 AM

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"We should turn to more constructive things like Obama did when things got tough, like cocaine."

CLINTONBUSH DID IT!

[Edited on April 12, 2008 at 11:19 AM. Reason : m]

4/12/2008 11:19:31 AM

Meh, I think this is a pretty big gaffe. Obama is assuming that people only own guns because they're fearful or need some sort of phallic compensation and that they turn to religion only out of desperation and ignorance.

Just as a black American like Obama is only one or two generations away from Jim Crow, rural Pennsylvania (or North Carolina, or New Hampshire) is only two or three generations away from growing or hunting a large amount of their food. A lot of the disaffected, middle-aged, underemployed Keystoners aren't regressing to guns because they're terrified of the world around them, they're doing what their grandfather taught them because that is how their grandfather got meat in the winter.

From the perspective of an urbanite who is used to, and comfortable with the convenience of being able to purchase or order most of what he needs, this seems quaint at best, backwards at worst. The typical denizen of the suburban or urban mass is confident enough of the "system's" ability to provide for his needs that he has traded independence for convenience and often doesn't understand why some people resist this. But there are yet large numbers of people who derive great satisfaction from being independent. Possessing guns and faith in a god are tools of this independent lifestyle.


Come to think of it, the battle between independence and convenience underscores a lot of issues in America today, but -- as is practically inevitable with human beings -- convenience has almost completely won.

4/12/2008 11:50:55 AM

so who other than me pretty much agrees with obamas comments?

4/12/2008 11:57:18 AM

Quote :

"Obama is assuming that people only own guns because they're fearful or need some sort of phallic compensation and that they turn to religion only out of desperation and ignorance."

Those seem like fair assumptions.

4/12/2008 12:09:39 PM

well, they're not...

4/12/2008 12:11:59 PM

^^ you're assuming that they regressed to that position, as opposed to having inherited it from the past.

4/12/2008 12:26:35 PM

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"yeah, neither guns nor religion never brought about change signed, the french the americans the lutherans etc. "

Haha

THE GREAT PENNSYLVANIA REVOLT OF 2009

STEEL MILL WORKERS POURED FROM THEIR HOMES TOTING SHOTGUNS AND BIBLES

NOT ONE LATTE-SIPPING VOLKSWAGEN-DRIVING ELITIST MADE IT OUT ALIVE

4/12/2008 3:58:59 PM

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"nobody gives a shit about faux news, and they can screw themselves. Don't think the American people are that stupid to believe such a biased spin machine."

i almost pissed myself laughing.

a liberal bitching about media bias.

4/12/2008 5:21:26 PM

Because McCain has been under so much scrutiny in the media lately

4/12/2008 5:28:38 PM

I'm not sure anyone in the thread has quite gotten the meaning of what he said...

(to clarify, text is from his response speech after being smeared for being "elitist".)

Quote :

"And for 25, 30 years Democrats and Republicans have come before them and said we’re going to make your community better. We’re going to make it right and nothing ever happens. And of course they’re bitter. Of course they’re frustrated. You would be too. In fact many of you are. Because the same thing has happened here in Indiana. The same thing happened across the border in Decatur. The same thing has happened all across the country. Nobody is looking out for you. Nobody is thinking about you. And so people end up- they don’t vote on economic issues because they don’t expect anybody’s going to help them. So people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on. But they don’t believe they can count on Washington. So I made this statement"

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBWx9 (link to video and transcript of his response)

it's not that people react to hardship with bitterness and gun purchases, it's that people vote for their interest issues before they vote on economy because no one ever goes to bat for them for economics.

[Edited on April 12, 2008 at 5:54 PM. Reason : ..]

4/12/2008 5:53:00 PM

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"i almost pissed myself laughing. a liberal bitching about media bias."

i'm not a liberal, I'm an independent. Try again. I just happen to like Obama especially compared to McCain who is one of the weakest presidential candidates ever, and Hillary is a bitch with no decent character and without any integrity.

A + B = C. Simple math.

4/12/2008 6:03:12 PM

This is not exactly a stunning, revolutionary new thesis:

http://www.amazon.com/Whats-Matter-Kansas-Conservatives-America/dp/B000FTWB3K/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208037808&sr=8-1

It does, however, smack of the quite liberal assumption that somehow everyone should be of the mindset that Washington exists to intervene in economic matters, and people have simply become disenfranchised from that notion.

Here's a radical thought - some people out there genuinely don't think it's Washington's job. (The horrors!)

In that sense, Obama's sin isn't elitism, it's hubris - the hubris of thinking everyone buys into the same value system that he does.

4/12/2008 6:05:59 PM

aha, drunkloaded megatroll.

4/12/2008 6:33:50 PM

From Barry,

Quote :

"...And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on. But they don’t believe they can count on Washington. So I made this statement..."

That's right Obama. We don't count on Washington. Stay out of our lives. Let us fend for our own selves you socialist. I don't look for the government to help me, I look for the government to stay out of my way.

4/12/2008 8:20:41 PM

Quote :

"I don't look for the government to help me, I look for the government to stay out of my way."

wait wait wait. . . aren't you a math professor (/lecturer/something)?

[Edited on April 12, 2008 at 8:23 PM. Reason : .]

4/12/2008 8:22:53 PM

barack oDRAMA

4/12/2008 8:28:30 PM

^^^The government can help in other ways than giving handouts. Like by not supporting NAFTA and other trade deals that eliminated all those jobs in the rust belt and fucking over a good bit of the population there

4/12/2008 11:39:22 PM

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"i'm not a liberal, I'm an independent. Try again. I just happen to like Obama especially compared to McCain who is one of the weakest presidential candidates ever, and Hillary is a bitch with no decent character and without any integrity. A + B = C. Simple math. "

your boy obama is the def. of a weak candidate. no political history/experience to speak of.

you were also bitching about the "bias" of fox news towards cons practically ignoring the bias of all the other news networks towards dems. an independent would get the hypocracy of that.

4/12/2008 11:41:06 PM

this makes me want to vote for obama more now honestly

4/13/2008 12:06:31 AM

We've been bamboozled I tell you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU


ps it gets good at 2:45

[Edited on April 13, 2008 at 12:14 AM. Reason : .]

4/13/2008 12:11:26 AM

haha thats good

4/13/2008 12:19:52 AM

Quote :

"When the dream and the man and the girls hang around long enough to make you think it's coming true, it's easier to let it all die a fairy tale, than admit that something bigger is passing through "

http://www.drivebytruckers.com/lyrics_btcd.html#zones

4/13/2008 12:20:40 AM

socks, you're sad. that video is ridiculously pointless.

4/13/2008 12:48:25 AM

I don't think DBT has a video for this song.
But the song it isn't supposed to have a political "point".
It's actually about the rise and fall of grunge.
I just thought those few lines kinda fit my impression of the Obama campaign.

Of course, I doubt you were actually talking to me. You were probably wanting to direct your post to the person who posted the anti-Obama video two posts earlier, but your poor reading skills got in the way. So I'll let it slide.

4/13/2008 12:59:09 AM