She won by 9.2%

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

She and the news are just lying

And what is it with this bullshit about her gaining the popular vote? Really? She's counting states where the people were told their votes were NOT going to count? Even a state where Obama's name wasn't on the ballot?

Fuck Hillary Clinton

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 2:15 PM. Reason : ]

4/23/2008 2:14:23 PM

fuck obama

4/23/2008 2:16:36 PM

yeah, I know

but cnn made it look like 10%

that's what I remember from yesterday

so... there you have it

...

oh and

54.6% -> 55%

45.4% -> 45%

so while you are correct, the rounding can work in the "double digit favor"

oh and...

giggity

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 2:18 PM. Reason : .]

4/23/2008 2:16:52 PM

hah. ron paul got 15.9% of republican vote.

4/23/2008 2:18:43 PM

Ron Paul makes way too much sense when he talks to have an (R) next to his name

4/23/2008 2:25:42 PM

4/23/2008 2:31:11 PM

this thread is completely necessary.............

4/23/2008 2:35:36 PM

"gotch games" ?

Are you really arguing over the margin of victory as if its not quite 10 its a win for obama?

I heard one excuse this morning for obama's loss was that PA was still racist... haha, what a bunch of shit.

I will agree with you terp... Fuck Hillary

ANd you too Golovko... Fuck Obama

4/23/2008 2:44:53 PM

I MUST DEFEND THE HONOR OF THE ALMIGHTY AND OMNIPOTENT OBAMA!!!!

4/23/2008 2:46:24 PM

hate the bitch.

4/23/2008 3:14:44 PM

I love how people ridicule the fact that they really really are passionate about a candidate.
i.e. - paint a demogogue, a cult, etcetera. It's really weak.

OK, a guy mobilizes huge counts of new voters and captivates his grass roots base. OMGZ MUST BE A CULT MUST BE A CULT ALL THE GUYS THINK OBAMA IS A GOD AND CAN DO NO WRONG. It's like, how are any of us any different? How are you any different in support of your politicians?

I mean, I see it daily - the candidates you assholes support you always spin things positive for them and argue and counter every little point you can, which is freaking normal and accepted behavior. However, when Obama supporters do the same fucking thing it's us WORSHIPPING?

It's double-standard and laughable. Almost a weird sense of jealousy of people that care If only you'd get beyond your friggin pride and see the double standard yourself. Of course, I don't expect any of you to have the intellectual honesty to fess up.

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 3:35 PM. Reason : k]

4/23/2008 3:33:13 PM

What has obama accomplished?

4/23/2008 3:34:36 PM

Quote :

"a guy mobilizes huge counts of new voters"

I'm not a really a fan of alot of his views, but I am damned impressed by the organization in his campaign. He has absolutely obliterated Hilary in every caucus state because his people are so well organized and I heard a report on NPR that his campaign was responsible for signing up nearly 300,000 new votes in PA alone.

4/23/2008 3:41:01 PM

What have you accomplished?

4/23/2008 3:41:08 PM

Quote :

"What has obama accomplished?"

than the biggest and most successful grassroots campaign for US President ever

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 3:41 PM. Reason : ]

4/23/2008 3:41:09 PM

Quote :

"What have you accomplished?"

LOL, good response. Relevant as soon as I run for president.



Well run campaign...ok. Anything else fellas?

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM. Reason : .]

4/23/2008 3:46:24 PM

operation chaos

4/23/2008 3:48:08 PM

OK since you asked here you go. But since I gathered it in one place do me a favor and at least read all of it before you criticize.

Apart from his work as a community organizer and his vocal anti-war stance from the beginning, most of his work is within the Illinois state government or as a US Senator. I’m not going to get into the laundry list of things he accomplished as an Illinois State Senator, but it was a lot and significant. As a United States Senator here are his highlights:

* In 2006, Obama was an original cosponsor of a bill to create a "Google-like" database of information on federal spending. So Americans can see where their money goes. He got it passed. The database is at http://www.usaspending.gov.

* The Obama/Feingold bill. Obama Was A Key Player In Assembling And Passing The 2007 Ethics Reform Law, Which Curbed The Influence Of Lobbyists And Was Described As The "Most Sweeping Since Watergate."

* In the first month of the newly Democratic-controlled 110th Congress, Obama worked with Russ Feingold (DWI) to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the “Honest Leadership and Open Government Act”, which was signed into law in September 2007.

* Obama took an active role in the Senate’s drive for improved border security and immigration reform. In 2005, he co-sponsored the “Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act” introduced by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ).

* Partnering first with Sen. Dick Lugar (R-IN), and then with Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK), Obama successfully introduced two initiatives bearing his name. “Lugar-Obama” expands the Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines. It was a significant and important bill.

* The “Coburn-Obama Transparency Act” provides for the web site USAspending.gov, managed by the Office of Management and Budget, listing all organizations receiving Federal funds from 2007 onward, and providing breakdowns by the agency allocating the funds, the dollar amount given, and the purpose of the grant or contract. In December 2006, President Bush signed into law the “Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act,” marking the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor.

* He joined Chuck Schumer (D-NY) in sponsoring S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, including fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls, as witnessed in the 2006 midterm elections. Obama’s energy initiatives scored pluses and minuses with environmentalists, who welcomed his sponsorship with John McCain (R-AZ).

* Obama also introduced the “Iraq War De-Escalation Act”, a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.

* Later in 2007, Obama sponsored with Kit Bond (R-MO) an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for a review by the Government Accountability Office following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs.

* He sponsored the “Iran Sanctions Enabling Act” supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran’s oil and gas industry, and joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism. A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.

* Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to provide one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries. After passing both houses of Congress with bipartisan majorities, SCHIP was vetoed by President Bush in early October 2007, a move Obama said “shows a callousness of priorities that is offensive to the ideals we hold as Americans.’

4/23/2008 3:49:45 PM

People can relate to Obama. When folks look at McCain and Clinton(especially Clinton) all they see is corrupt, old politics. If there is a candidate out there like that who is smart, charismatic, and people can relate to that won't drive our nation into the ground... then what is wrong with that? His policies are sound enough, and people seem to think that he can steer away from some of the shit this country has been through the last 8 years.

4/23/2008 3:50:02 PM

Quote :

"I am damned impressed by the organization in his campaign."

what, all black people are disorganized?

4/23/2008 3:55:33 PM

Quote :

"than the biggest and most successful grassroots campaign for US President ever "

doesn't have anything to do with race, as much as you want it to treetwista

4/23/2008 3:57:05 PM

face it terpball. he lost. just like your caps. just like the nationals continue to do.

you racist

4/23/2008 4:02:41 PM

Kainen, I appreciate the work and the read. Thanks for actually addresssing the question with some substance.

Now here is where we will differ on some issues.

I agree with having a more transparent govt. Obama agrees. Did he introduce or write the bill?

He introduced one bill on your list. Sponsored the rest

SCHIP? The Democratic leadership of Congress in 2007 proposed a massive expansion of SCHIP that would have extended federal health insurance coverage to children in families making as much as $82,600 per year, which ultimately would have made 71 percent of America's children eligible for federal health insurance assistance, a form of welfare.

I have a problem with taxpayers funding insurance for people making 82k. I think the majority of people would agree, if only the republicans had a sack to actually explain WHY he vetoed it.

Besides could you tell me where you can find a list on who sponsored it? Im curious. I really didnt know Obama was a sponsor, but it doesnt take much to sponsor a bill.

4/23/2008 4:05:44 PM

Rat, terpball is not a racist. He is however a mysoginist.

4/23/2008 4:07:47 PM

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"face it terpball. he lost. just like your caps. just like the nationals continue to do. you racist "

hahaha

I wish the caps were mine - the value of that franchise is rising faster than my dick when the ladies at Camelot take me into their back room.

Quote :

"He is however a mysoginist"

I can't argue with that, but it's the bitches' fault - they act so sheisty all the time.

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 4:09 PM. Reason : ]

4/23/2008 4:08:40 PM

no one expcted him to win PA dude. Hell, 6 weeks ago people thought he'd get blown out. He cut the lead in half and cut into her demographics. Obama's campaign in FEBURARY said they were highly likely to lose given those demographics. When you have older white women and white dudes with no college degrees, you got a hillary vote. There's a gap, he can't identify with them and they can't with him. You'll see it all through the greater Appalachia! Bottom line.

It still astonishes me that the meida, GOP and McCain, and the Clinton brand can continualy spin Obama into a thousand directions in the past month since Wright-gate and he STILL halves her lead, limits her to +10 delegates, and drives her $ to the red.

Get this shit to the general where it's 1 on 1 and McCain is toast! National polls showed him TIED UP despite being in the best possible situation the republicans could ever dream of.

4/23/2008 4:09:46 PM

Barack Obama has sponsored 129 bills since Jan 4, 2005, of which 117 haven't made it out of committee and 2 were successfully enacted.

Even in baseball standards, thats pretty shitty. 1.5%

4/23/2008 4:10:19 PM

polls, polls, polls

polls had Kerry beating Bush, polls, polls, polls

4/23/2008 4:10:27 PM

remember terpy:

Quote :

"Fuck Hillary Clinton"

= Fuck the democrats in November

because not only is hillary going to win the popular vote by far, she is actually winning in spots were the democrats are going to need her in november

hello ohio.

4/23/2008 4:12:21 PM

^ not even funny

4/23/2008 4:14:21 PM

Kainen, when did the wright stuff come out? Before or after his last win? I dont remember.

4/23/2008 4:14:59 PM

Thats still going to be one of the interesting dynamics of the GE...how all the people who hate Hillary and love Barack, or hate Barack and love Hillary will vote once one of them is not in the race anymore

Its already funny enough to think that most Hillary haters were fans of Bill and Hillary a mere 8 years ago

4/23/2008 4:15:31 PM

It's not that funny - nobody got to really know Hillary until recently - and it turns out she's a horrible woman

4/23/2008 4:16:36 PM

do you think obama would still win Iowa today?

4/23/2008 4:17:38 PM

Quote :

"nobody got to really know Hillary until recently"

did you live outside the united states from 1992 to 2000 or did you just never watch tv or read a newspaper?

4/23/2008 4:18:30 PM

Actually, that's simply ridiculous. Go to Real Clear Politics and look at their popular vote estimates (pre-Pennsylvania):

Popular vote total: Obama +717,086
Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA: Obama +827,308

Popular Vote (w/FL): Obama +422,314
Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA: Obama +532,536

Popular Vote (w/FL *MI): Obama +94,005
Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA: Obama +204,227


See what they have done? -- the Clinton campaign have taken the roughly 215,000 net votes Clinton gained in Pennsylvania, and added them to the popular vote count that includes the unsanctioned contests in Michigan and Florida, and excludes caucuses in four states. How's that for inclusiveness?

Michigan -- it gets worse. That Michigan vote estimate? Obama wasn't on the ballot. If you count the "uncommitted" votes for Obama -- all of them anti-Hillary votes, remember - that would add 237,762 votes to Obama's total.

Bottom line -- Which means that in Clinton world, Clinton is ahead in the popular vote only IF you exclude four caucus states, IF you include two unsanctioned states, and IF you "disenfranchise" every voter in Michigan who voted against Hillary Clinton.

That takes a new and particularly audacious level of chutzpah.

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 4:19 PM. Reason : =-]

4/23/2008 4:18:33 PM

^^I said nobody REALLY got to know her - she wasn't running a campaign, we got to know her husband

^ I was taken back when she said she had the popular vote today - who does she think she's kidding?

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 4:21 PM. Reason : ]

4/23/2008 4:19:12 PM

nobody REALLY knows obama yet or do you really know him based on some campaigning?

hillary has been in the national news for the past 15+ years...how can you have not known a ton about her long before this election cycle???

4/23/2008 4:20:00 PM

Quote :

"I mean, I see it daily - the candidates you assholes support you always spin things positive for them and argue and counter every little point you can, which is freaking normal and accepted behavior. However, when Obama supporters do the same fucking thing it's us WORSHIPPING? "

See, this is where I come in. I don't support any of these assholes, so I get to sit back and make fun of you all for your nigh-on religious beliefs regarding these terrible excuses for human beings. All of them suck, republican and democrat.

4/23/2008 4:20:39 PM

^ 10/10

4/23/2008 4:21:08 PM

Quote :

"nobody REALLY knows obama yet or do you really know him based on some campaigning? hillary has been in the national news for the past 15+ years...how can you have not known a ton about her long before this election cycle???"

yeah, because of the campaigning, I've seen more Hillary. SURPRISE!!!!!

4/23/2008 4:22:26 PM

at least obama will have his terrorist buddies and pastor friends when he loses in november. maybe he'll be the next al sharpton

lol

4/23/2008 4:24:19 PM

terp i'm not saying you haven't gotten to know hillary, or any candidate, better from their campaigning

i just don't know how you didn't know all the bad stuff about her before...its NOTHING NEW

4/23/2008 4:25:44 PM

Twista, I believe Terp is saying Republicans were correct on hillary all along, they are just now realizing it. LOL

4/23/2008 4:26:34 PM

^troof, i was ABH long before obama hit the scene


remember 2/3 years ago when that's all they talked about in NY when hillary was new to the senate?

nothing new here. move along please.

4/23/2008 4:27:11 PM

Quote :

"See, this is where I come in. I don't support any of these assholes, so I get to sit back and make fun of you all for your nigh-on religious beliefs regarding these terrible excuses for human beings. All of them suck, republican and democrat."

YOU GO BOI! YOU TOUGH REBEL YOU. LETS GO CREATE SOME ANARCHY! YEAH!

4/23/2008 4:27:20 PM

^ Obama exposed???

4/23/2008 4:28:38 PM

kainen you must be so much better, being content with willfully choosing the lesser of two admitted evils...way to go you!

4/23/2008 4:31:02 PM

^shit im doing it in the general. Im not a huge supporter of mccain. He was my least favorite, but sure beats the socialists.

Kainen or anyone remember when the Rev Wright shit came out?

4/23/2008 4:35:45 PM

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"Twista, I believe Terp is saying Republicans were correct on hillary all along, they are just now realizing it. LOL "

damn, you are one of the lamest dudes on the face of TWW

4/23/2008 4:38:50 PM