I heard about this website on the radio today, so I wanted to check it out myself.

http://waterpoweredcar.com/hydrobooster.html

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"Hydrogen Boosters are Great! 1) They improve gas mileage. 2) They clean carbon deposits out of your engine. 3) The added hydrogen/oxygen produced acts like a catalysis to your fuel, a more complete burn and slightly cooler. 4) Add a FREE 120 octane booster to your fuel mix. 5) Knocks down the hydrocarbon count from your exhaust 6) Increases horsepower The egas (Hydrogen/Oxygen or Hydroxy Gas or electrolysis gas) produced acts like a catalysis to your fuel. Get higher octane combustion. Utilizing oxy-hydrogen gas to boost a fossil fuel with a complete burn of all the hydrocarbons, produces a way cleaner emission. In fact so clean you will NOT pass the SMOG test. (disconnect it when at the SMOG test.) Best of all you will be driving with cleaner emissions! You can easily make one yourself. Hydro-boosters will work with any ICE engine, diesel too. Actually combusts better with diesel! Small lawnmower engines too. Any size engine. Above is a photo of our new 9 plate configuration that works the best yet. Learn today all about hydrogen boosters for you car now and the future of water as a fuel. More & more people are getting interested and want to finally learn all about water as a fuel. They won't teach you about the wonders of Brown's Egas at the universities, you got to learn it on your own. We have many links and water car forums for you to learn. Most are friendly and willing to give up there ideas. We live in a time of no more patents, no more millionaire inventors in a garage, but rather a giving away of knowledge to better mankind and to keep and stabilize our previous FREEDOM that we are slowly losing overnight. We must stop Global Warming by individual participation."

I've got half a mind to buy a POS car and try it out.

[Edited on May 28, 2008 at 9:43 AM. Reason : .]

5/28/2008 9:43:23 AM

and you think an increase in HP will give you an increase in MPG?

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"In fact so clean you will NOT pass the SMOG test"

[Edited on May 28, 2008 at 9:48 AM. Reason : ]

5/28/2008 9:47:19 AM

i'm no chemist, but i'm pretty sure that hydrogen can only bind to one other element. HHO wouldn't work/can't exist.

[Edited on May 28, 2008 at 9:49 AM. Reason : t]

5/28/2008 9:48:51 AM

lets say it works like a charm.
10% increase. maybe 25% increase. my car gets 33mpgs. im not in a bind to get like 3 more mpgs..

but im sure you've gotta drive easy.

so why not drive easy without it, you'll incrase your gas 10%-15% anyways.

its like those diet pills, they want you to cut your fat and exercise while on the pill... well, why cant you do it without the pill?

these gimmicks may work, but the consumer fails in all aspects of will power.

5/28/2008 9:52:32 AM

and only $900!!

5/28/2008 10:58:18 AM

IT ALSO MAKES YOUR PENIS LARGER AND THICKER!

5/28/2008 10:58:59 AM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QdVevvgM3ho

5/28/2008 11:09:22 AM

i've got a car that runs on brown's gas, if anyone's interested in buying

5/28/2008 11:17:32 AM

so this is a system that is electrolysing water into H2 and O2 and routing them into the gas engine's intake.

they claim that the extra O2 and H2 will improve your gas mileage by affecting the combustion chemistry in the engine. There is already plenty of excess oxygen in the intake air, why does increasing the ratio of it a little suddenly cause complete combustion? Complete combustion is also pretty temperature sensitive - cooler combustion temps means that more incomplete combustion occurs, so to claim cooler and more complete burn is contradictory.

They ignore the fact that the energy needed to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen apparently comes FROM THE ENGINE.

It's a perpetual motion machine, c'mon.

5/28/2008 11:17:56 AM

Again...in any energy state change there is some energy that is changed into an un-desirable state.
Here were are using electrical energy (see 30AMP connection) to create chemical energy (H2 &O2) which btw does exist) which you can burn... Awesome... but some of that possible (30amps*14 volts) 420 watts that the unit could draw is lost heating up the water and by oxidizing the metals in the unit to produce the hydrogen gas. Thus you will not get as much chemical energy out as you get electrical energy in... so lets examine where this electrical energy comes from... The alternator which removes mechanical energy from your motor and converts it into electricity... It too only has about a 80% efficiency rating due to the friction in the belt system and the heat produced in the coils.

So, say you get 420watts of energy to the electrolysis device
420watts/.8 (alternator efficiency)= 525 watts of power removed from the motor
and i know that reaction cannot be 100% efficient but i will not quote an efficiency because i do not know but you're losing 20% of the possible power the system could make before you even make it to the system....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

5/28/2008 11:27:41 AM

it sure does look cool, though...right?

perhaps if you could derive the initial energy from something like solar cells, it would be more feasible...?

[Edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:36 AM. Reason : .]

5/28/2008 11:35:57 AM

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"i'm no chemist, but i'm pretty sure that hydrogen can only bind to one other element. HHO wouldn't work/can't exist."

yep, you're right...you're no chemist....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen

5/28/2008 11:40:40 AM

^^ still you're only looking @ 530 watts....

1hp =746 watt

5/28/2008 11:47:03 AM

^ i won't pretend to understand half of how this stuff works (i'm not so gullible as to believe that electrolysis is the solution, because i paid attention in chemistry ), but i DON'T quite understand the point you're making

from my understanding, you could put something like potassium fluoride (the stuff they put into drinking water to provide fluorine for teeth) into water and then run electricity through it (electrolysis, right?)...because the water molecules require less electricity to break apart than does the potassium fluoride, you'd get hydrogen at the (anode?) and oxygen at the (cathode?) as the water is used up...right?

now, i don't recall off the top of my head what that threshold is for breaking apart the water molecules, but if you could provide that specific energy continuously through something like solar panels (again, i don't know if that's realistic), then couldn't you, in theory, run your car through the combustion of those hydrogen and oxygen atoms as they're released from the breaking of water molecules?

you would need some sort of "free" energy (like solar), because the amount of energy you put in is always going to be more than you'll get out...but it's partly about the form of energy, yes?

*shrug*...i wish i were smarter

[Edited on May 28, 2008 at 11:54 AM. Reason : .]

5/28/2008 11:53:51 AM

yeah i honestly don't know the chem part either i'm an engineer i just don't see how you're starting with water, finishing with water and some how energy was created in the middle.

5/28/2008 11:56:04 AM

this touches upon what i was talking about: http://www.guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/Kanarev/electrolysis/index.html

here's my rudimentary (and probably flawed) understanding of a system:

1.) "free" energy input from solar
2.) use energy input to break apart water molecules
3.) burn hydrogen and oxygen to power engine
4.) combustion of H2 and O2 recombines to water

5/28/2008 12:02:53 PM

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"yeah i honestly don't know the chem part either i'm an engineer i just don't see how you're starting with water, finishing with water and some how energy was created in the middle."

breaking and forming hydrogen bonds takes a lot of energy compared to breaking and forming other types of bonds

5/28/2008 12:08:27 PM

Free beer and hot wings listener?

5/28/2008 12:13:49 PM

so you broke it and re-formed it... the energy state should end up the same...

5/28/2008 12:25:10 PM

Yes, the article above is "Snake Oil", but scientists are getting closer and closer to forming H2 using something similar to photosynthesis, as was mentioned above.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070222180945.htm

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"Manoranjan Misra, professor of materials science and engineering, recently received a $3 million research grant from the U.S. Department of Energy to continue his groundbreaking work in various forms of renewable energy. Misra's current project focuses on harnessing photoactive material from the sun to generate hydrogen. Hydrogen is one of the cleanest forms of energy, and studies have shown that it is 33 percent more efficient than liquid fuels. Northern Nevada, with its uncommonly sunny weather -- with more than 300 sunny days per year -- could become the perfect hub to generate hydrogen energy, according to Misra."

I just wanna know who shelled out the $900 for the conversion kit.

5/28/2008 12:37:30 PM

the only $900 conversion kit i'd be willing to purchase is the WVO kit for a diesel

but i don't own a diesel

5/28/2008 12:41:44 PM

Quote :

"Most are friendly and willing to give up there ideas. We live in a time of no more patents, no more millionaire inventors in a garage, but rather a giving away of knowledge to better mankind and to keep and stabilize our previous FREEDOM that we are slowly losing overnight."

5/28/2008 12:47:46 PM

Free beer and hot wings listener?

5/28/2008 12:53:02 PM

there's a reason that engineers get paid so much--if it was easy, everyone would do it

5/28/2008 4:20:07 PM

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"yep, you're right...you're no chemist.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen"

well, i read HHO to mean H-H-O, as in a hydrogen bound to another hydrogen which is also bound to an oxygen.

that does not equal 2H2 + O2

right?

[Edited on May 28, 2008 at 4:27 PM. Reason : ]

5/28/2008 4:27:16 PM

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"so you broke it and re-formed it... the energy state should end up the same..."

energy is used to break bonds

energy is released when bonds are formed

doesn't mean the energy used to break bonds is the same energy being released when new bonds are formed

just means the same amount of energy is need to do both

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" i read HHO to mean H-H-O"

yeah, that's not how you're supposed to read it

basically they call it HHO to distinguish it from H2O, since H20 is water and HHO isn't quite the same thing, though it has a similiar atomic make up

[Edited on May 28, 2008 at 4:38 PM. Reason : asdf]

5/28/2008 4:35:20 PM

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"Magnecule theory Santilli claims to have developed novel fuels, named MagneGas and MagneHydrogen: these names are trademarks of Hadronic Press. [6] [7] [8] They are produced by plasma arc gasification of liquid waste. [9] Santilli claims that these fuels are composed of magnecules. [10][11][12] These hypothetical magnecules are a type of chemical species theoretically proposed by Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond called a "magnecular bond", which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields which arise from toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals.[12] [13] Neither these claims nor the existence of magnecules have been generally accepted by the chemistry community. Magnecules have also been invoked to justify novel unverified claims about oxyhydrogen gas, which he calls "HHO gas". This paper[14] by Santilli claims (e,g, on its p. 21) that many types of magnecules have been identified. Santilli's theory has been discredited by other scientists as having 'many serious misinterpretations, and misunderstandings of the “data” presented... [the paper] creates some doubt as to whether [the author] actually knows the difference between a gas chromatograph (GC) and a mass spectrometer (MS).' [15]"

5/28/2008 4:50:48 PM

the stanley meyer story and his water car invension is puzzling and sad
how is this not being developed?

5/28/2008 4:55:22 PM

wonder how the water shortage would go then.

[Edited on May 28, 2008 at 5:00 PM. Reason : ]

5/28/2008 4:59:35 PM

^haha, but he said you can use salt water if needed

5/28/2008 5:33:55 PM

^^^ because it was a total fraud.

5/28/2008 5:58:13 PM

^i havent seen a good explanation of how it was a fraud
since he managed to convince alot of people in important places

5/28/2008 6:14:31 PM

Is that the guy who more or less took a ford escort wagon, converted it to run as a hydrogen-powered ICE, used an electrolysis machine that created water and pure oxygen, and fueled said car with said electrolysis machine?

That entire concept was retarded. It would be less efficient to use his whole system than to just keep filling the thing up with gas.

Edit: Wait, this is something else. He hyped up a perpetual motion machine that was more than 100% efficient. If you don't see how that's fraud...

[Edited on May 28, 2008 at 6:18 PM. Reason : aidsabeetus]

5/28/2008 6:16:47 PM

I mean, I don't know about all this chemistry shit...

...but that thing looks like a home water filter with jumper cables clipped on top of it.



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5/28/2008 6:54:11 PM

you got to learn it on your own

5/28/2008 9:19:22 PM

5/28/2008 9:20:23 PM

That's a sediment filter for a well water line.

5/28/2008 10:26:16 PM

hhahhahaha i was thinking the exact same thing

5/28/2008 11:08:28 PM